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 stahly wrote:
New MkIII models (or are they some MkII variant after all?) seem to be very much inspired by this artwork: https://twitter.com/SecretlyShiva/status/1652771981534670848

Mk3 is literally Mk2 with extra armour plates strapped to the front, so the distinction is ultimately meaningless

Would be interesting if the kit really built both.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Only because I couldn’t see it in the thread (I may just be being thick) here’s the roadmap.

Hopefully OP can add it to the first post

If only gw had a brain and therefore this roadmap would be from right to left. Alas "why bother with HH when the core isn't there" will be a common reason for lack of growth heard by the community.

 stahly wrote:
New MkIII models (or are they some MkII variant after all?) seem to be very much inspired by this artwork: https://twitter.com/SecretlyShiva/status/1652771981534670848

Mk III is just Mk II with extra forwards facing armour plates. They also figured out how to make the helmet turn sometime before Mk IV became a thing, but this seems to have been more or less immediately retrofitted to every still functional suit of MkII or III available.

Any chance that Votann are the mystery army in the road map?

Probably not, I suppose.

semajnollissor wrote:
Any chance that Votann are the mystery army in the road map?

Probably not, I suppose.

I think Kinfolk Helots from imperialis militia are supposed to be votann. Or more/less accurately, squats since that name seems to get use for imperial votann like on necromunda.

New Primarch really should be AlphariusOmegon and his diorama base should be him cutting off Dorn's hand.

Yes, he's a Loyalist too, but still, that was his actual brother!

 cole1114 wrote:

semajnollissor wrote:
Any chance that Votann are the mystery army in the road map?

Probably not, I suppose.

I think Kinfolk Helots from imperialis militia are supposed to be votann. Or more/less accurately, squats since that name seems to get use for imperial votann like on necromunda.

Definitely squats, as they're armed more like the old Imperial Squats.

Tamereth wrote:
Mystery faction, probably admech but maybe imperial army? One can hope.

I will always be hoping for Solar Auxilia in plastic. The naval breaching team in killteam is close in a lot of respects... but gosh the Solar Auxilia still end up cooler.

Oh my god...

Oh my GOD!

Those new MK III marines are perfection! I've been holding off getting into the Horus Heresy simply because I'm just not a very big fan of the mk VI suits, and because the current mk 3's and 4's are so poorly proportioned.

But these! Holy carp... I can see myself ordering 100 of these new mk III marines. Easily. Especially if they're priced the same as the current mk VI squad.

So hyped for this! ^__^

 Alpharius wrote:
New Primarch really should be AlphariusOmegon and his diorama base should be him cutting off Dorn's hand.

Yes, he's a Loyalist too, but still, that was his actual brother!

Sanguinius needs a model without super-saiyan hair or the awkward action pose... he should look regal and aesthetic imo, inspiring. I waited years for that to come out then ended up passing on it, sure I wasn't the only one! Most of the rest are decent to great. Though Fulgrim has super saiyan hair too and alphie yes probably on the more boring end, an alph/omegon set would be good.

Maybe it'll be dead Sanguinius?

But Omegon is a nice choice.

lol even dead Sanguinius would be better than the current, to me anyways. Current Sanguinius is kinda like Alien 3, by no means terrible, but so far off from what I wanted it was borderline offensive , and then my opinion softened over time but the 'what could have been' remains.

Sanguinius at ease, or perhaps expressing remorse over a fallen son would be an interesting diorama.

Do we think that the updated Mark II/III armour arms will be backwards compatible with the special weapons upgrade weapon sprues? The heavy weapon upgrade sprue arms are off as they lack the wrist armour, but as the special weapons are just hands maybe they will work?

Any new plastic Dreadnought is great for me. I currently have 9 plastic Contemptors and 6 Leviathans painted so Deredeo me up.

I would hope they're backwards compatible. I'd hate to think that they're going to spend time, effort and money on a whole new suite of heavy and special weapon bitz boxes.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

Do we think that the updated Mark II/III armour arms will be backwards compatible with the special weapons upgrade weapon sprues? The heavy weapon upgrade sprue arms are off as they lack the wrist armour, but as the special weapons are just hands maybe they will work?

As long as the bolter arms have the same positioning as the mk6 kit, the special weapons should be fine.
The heavy weapons on the other hand have two problems with mk3. The shoulder plate and the arms. The shoulder plate issue looks like it could be solved by the new kit as the upper trim seems to be less pronounced. The arms are tricky though. I see four possible options, 1st the new mk3 has separate wrist armour that can fit onto the existing mk6 heavy weapons arms, 2nd GW make a mk3 specific set of arms and either sell that solo or pack it with the guns as a new box, third is the same as the 2nd but FW, 4th is they don't bother and you either make do with no mk3 heavy weapons or they all have mk6 arms.

Just something that irks me about the new MK 3?
Do they have a reddot / sensor that is lower than the frontsight on their boltguns? Because it looks like that. (hey maybee something for use as seekers seeing as we don't get infantry until next year...)

How exactly are they aiming?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I would hope they're backwards compatible. I'd hate to think that they're going to spend time, effort and money on a whole new suite of heavy and special weapon bitz boxes.

What is more likely, GW tooling 6 redundant sprues of repeated weapons or any one new unit that people have been begging for for the past year?

 Platuan4th wrote:

 stahly wrote:


The models they've shown in the artwork look like updated MkII to me, like the tank commander model you get in the HH tank accessories sprue.

The actual models in front of the Land Raider are very clearly MkIII.

I bet that's the cover of a new boxed set.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe it'll be dead Sanguinius?

But Omegon is a nice choice.

Or maybe a newly minted demon primarch.

 Moopy wrote:

I bet that's the cover of a new boxed set.

It is a bit sus to just have a random art piece with 4 distinct units on it, 3 of which are currently unreleased. And the roadmap is strangely lacking in books.

Alternate theory, however: this is (half of) the cover of a Cthonia box that was supposed to happen, but was dropped due to production delays and the kits are now parted out for single releases as roadmapped...

Not Online!!! wrote:
How exactly are they aiming?

The same way they always have since Rogue Trader: Their helmet HUD is connected to the bolter.

 MajorTom11 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
New Primarch really should be AlphariusOmegon and his diorama base should be him cutting off Dorn's hand.

Yes, he's a Loyalist too, but still, that was his actual brother!

Sanguinius needs a model without super-saiyan hair or the awkward action pose... he should look regal and aesthetic imo, inspiring. I waited years for that to come out then ended up passing on it, sure I wasn't the only one! Most of the rest are decent to great. Though Fulgrim has super saiyan hair too and alphie yes probably on the more boring end, an alph/omegon set would be good.

OK, that's probably a more realistic choice - and I feel for BA fans in general and MT11 in particular - so sure, let's make that happen!

(Still would like an Omegon though!)

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I would hope they're backwards compatible. I'd hate to think that they're going to spend time, effort and money on a whole new suite of heavy and special weapon bitz boxes.

What is more likely, GW tooling 6 redundant sprues of repeated weapons or any one new unit that people have been begging for for the past year?

And literally anything else from Forge World vs. another 18 helmet and should pad sets?

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I would hope they're backwards compatible. I'd hate to think that they're going to spend time, effort and money on a whole new suite of heavy and special weapon bitz boxes.

What is more likely, GW tooling 6 redundant sprues of repeated weapons or any one new unit that people have been begging for for the past year?

And literally anything else from Forge World vs. another 18 helmet and should pad sets?

Seems like there won't be a Forgeworld/Specialist Games Open Day this year as well, which sucks...

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I would hope they're backwards compatible. I'd hate to think that they're going to spend time, effort and money on a whole new suite of heavy and special weapon bitz boxes.

What is more likely, GW tooling 6 redundant sprues of repeated weapons or any one new unit that people have been begging for for the past year?

And literally anything else from Forge World vs. another 18 helmet and should pad sets?

If they do have Forge World produce anything for the Heresy, about half the people here will bitch and moan about it.

Primarch should be Jaghatai on a bike.


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 Dysartes wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I would hope they're backwards compatible. I'd hate to think that they're going to spend time, effort and money on a whole new suite of heavy and special weapon bitz boxes.

What is more likely, GW tooling 6 redundant sprues of repeated weapons or any one new unit that people have been begging for for the past year?

And literally anything else from Forge World vs. another 18 helmet and should pad sets?

If they do have Forge World produce anything for the Heresy, about half the people here will bitch and moan about it.

Rightfully so. GW just released a few more plastic event exclusive minis. The cost argument doesn't hold up anymore.

Event exclusives tend to be used at all sorts of events for a year, and some locations all the time and have the collectible aspect to them. Easier to justify in plastic than optional upgrades or characters for 1/18 factions of the 3rd tier game. Would I like more plastic HH? Yes though my wallet says no.

JSG wrote:
Primarch should be Jaghatai on a bike.

Apparently, the Q&A soft confirmed it wouldn't be the Khan but rather a "Primarch who went through some changes during the Heresy".
It won't be Angron, Mortarion, or Magnus because they have plastic Daemon models. Fulgrim is unlikely as the EC is going to be in 40k as a faction and Fulgrim will get released, probably in 10th considering the last three Editions have all seen a Daemon Primarch.
I'd say the best bet is a new Lorgar to represent Lorgar Transfigured. Curze, Alpharius, and Perturabo didn't change their styles during the Heresy (well Alpharius went from alive to dead but that doesn't count) and Horus has a new model. The Loyalists likewise didn't change (apart from Ferrus going from alive to dead) so I'd be surprised if it was one of them.

 Moopy wrote:


I bet that's the cover of a new boxed set.

Given that both the next dread and armour mark are out in Autumn you may be right. They can retire the £180 AOD box and replace it with a cheaper £100-120 starter box, similar to what happened with Adeptus Titanicus.

 Gert wrote:

JSG wrote:
Primarch should be Jaghatai on a bike.

Apparently, the Q&A soft confirmed it wouldn't be the Khan but rather a "Primarch who went through some changes during the Heresy".
It won't be Angron, Mortarion, or Magnus because they have plastic Daemon models. Fulgrim is unlikely as the EC is going to be in 40k as a faction and Fulgrim will get released, probably in 10th considering the last three Editions have all seen a Daemon Primarch.
I'd say the best bet is a new Lorgar to represent Lorgar Transfigured. Curze, Alpharius, and Perturabo didn't change their styles during the Heresy (well Alpharius went from alive to dead but that doesn't count) and Horus has a new model. The Loyalists likewise didn't change (apart from Ferrus going from alive to dead) so I'd be surprised if it was one of them.

Headless Ferrus.

But really, Lorgar Transfigured has a good shot…