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 Moopy wrote:
Or maybe a newly minted demon primarch.

But which one? Not Fulgrim, as he'll get the plastic treatment when EC get their book.

 Gert wrote:

JSG wrote:
Primarch should be Jaghatai on a bike.

Apparently, the Q&A soft confirmed it wouldn't be the Khan but rather a "Primarch who went through some changes during the Heresy".

Sanguinius went through some changes right at the end of the Heresy.

But I'm thinking Lorgar. I just can't imagine anyone wasting their time on a giant, spindly, fragile, poorly cast, resin version of Daemon Fulgrim.

 Gert wrote:

JSG wrote:
Primarch should be Jaghatai on a bike.

Apparently, the Q&A soft confirmed it wouldn't be the Khan but rather a "Primarch who went through some changes during the Heresy".
It won't be Angron, Mortarion, or Magnus because they have plastic Daemon models. Fulgrim is unlikely as the EC is going to be in 40k as a faction and Fulgrim will get released, probably in 10th considering the last three Editions have all seen a Daemon Primarch.
I'd say the best bet is a new Lorgar to represent Lorgar Transfigured. Curze, Alpharius, and Perturabo didn't change their styles during the Heresy (well Alpharius went from alive to dead but that doesn't count) and Horus has a new model. The Loyalists likewise didn't change (apart from Ferrus going from alive to dead) so I'd be surprised if it was one of them.

I could see them doing a Perturabo eventually. They'll probably have him tinker with his armour to mitigate what Fulgrim did.

What about Istvaan Corax, wounded and armed with a Heavy Bolter?

JSG wrote:

 Gert wrote:

JSG wrote:
Primarch should be Jaghatai on a bike.

Apparently, the Q&A soft confirmed it wouldn't be the Khan but rather a "Primarch who went through some changes during the Heresy".
It won't be Angron, Mortarion, or Magnus because they have plastic Daemon models. Fulgrim is unlikely as the EC is going to be in 40k as a faction and Fulgrim will get released, probably in 10th considering the last three Editions have all seen a Daemon Primarch.
I'd say the best bet is a new Lorgar to represent Lorgar Transfigured. Curze, Alpharius, and Perturabo didn't change their styles during the Heresy (well Alpharius went from alive to dead but that doesn't count) and Horus has a new model. The Loyalists likewise didn't change (apart from Ferrus going from alive to dead) so I'd be surprised if it was one of them.

I could see them doing a Perturabo eventually. They'll probably have him tinker with his armour to mitigate what Fulgrim did.

We know Perty's armor is way bigger/bulkier/jury-rigged by the time of the heresy. He's constantly adding on more life support to keep himself alive because of Fulgrim. I could see them fixing him up like that and making him strong enough to take on daemon angron since he did that lore-wise in his current state.

Wait - what did Fulgrim do to Perturabo?

I thought it was the Hrud that messed him up?

 Alpharius wrote:
Wait - what did Fulgrim do to Perturabo?

I thought it was the Hrud that messed him up?

 Alpharius wrote:
Wait - what did Fulgrim do to Perturabo?

I thought it was the Hrud that messed him up?

Fulgrim sacrificed him to become a daemon prince.

Perty was just so angry he survived it. But to keep surviving it, he has to keep upgrading his armor with more and more esoteric life support.

Eventually he'll run out of ways to keep himself alive, and that's when Lorgar steps in and helps him become a daemon prince.

Sometimes I feel like I’m the only person who actually likes the current Lorgar model, but after Horus Ascended I’d like to see a powered up Lorgar.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Moopy wrote:

I bet that's the cover of a new boxed set.

It is a bit sus to just have a random art piece with 4 distinct units on it, 3 of which are currently unreleased. And the roadmap is strangely lacking in books.

Alternate theory, however: this is (half of) the cover of a Cthonia box that was supposed to happen, but was dropped due to production delays and the kits are now parted out for single releases as roadmapped...

I think it's pretty in line to what's already happened with the previous HH Big Box.

Original boxed set.
New big tank
New Contemptor
New MK 6 troops
Cataphractii terminators

This "boxed set"
Big tank
New dread
Reworked (new) MK troops
Support squad sprues.

In theory this would come out in Autumn when the road map says "Armour MK update" and "Dreadnaught". Probably will be teased further in July.

Did anyone hear anything from GW concerning Ruinstorm rules, or are they still going with "soon" last the like year or so.

 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
Did anyone hear anything from GW concerning Ruinstorm rules, or are they still going with "soon" last the like year or so.

You got bound daemons, be happy/s.

Probably the same as milita malcadors and independant gunners rule, as of yet , not existent in combination.

 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
Did anyone hear anything from GW concerning Ruinstorm rules, or are they still going with "soon" last the like year or so.

Will be coming at some point over the summer

 Alpharius wrote:
Wait - what did Fulgrim do to Perturabo?

I thought it was the Hrud that messed him up?

Hrud messed up IW Warsmith Barabas Dantioch, the one from the Pharos novel, a Loyalist.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Moopy wrote:
Or maybe a newly minted demon primarch.

But which one? Not Fulgrim, as he'll get the plastic treatment when EC get their book.

 Gert wrote:

JSG wrote:
Primarch should be Jaghatai on a bike.

Apparently, the Q&A soft confirmed it wouldn't be the Khan but rather a "Primarch who went through some changes during the Heresy".

Sanguinius went through some changes right at the end of the Heresy.

But I'm thinking Lorgar. I just can't imagine anyone wasting their time on a giant, spindly, fragile, poorly cast, resin version of Daemon Fulgrim.

Why wouldn’t they? They made the Lion as the last loyalist primarch and released a plastic version, albeit for 40k, a few years later. The only difference is the 40k one has a big shield. If anything, they’ll probably make daemon primarch vs loyalist diorama sets, like mortarion vs the khan, fulgrim vs Dorn, etc

 cole1114 wrote:


Eventually he'll run out of ways to keep himself alive, and that's when Lorgar steps in and helps him become a daemon prince.

Perturabo is already a daemon prince by "modern" 40K.

 Gert wrote:

JSG wrote:
Primarch should be Jaghatai on a bike.

Apparently, the Q&A soft confirmed it wouldn't be the Khan but rather a "Primarch who went through some changes during the Heresy".
It won't be Angron, Mortarion, or Magnus because they have plastic Daemon models. Fulgrim is unlikely as the EC is going to be in 40k as a faction and Fulgrim will get released, probably in 10th considering the last three Editions have all seen a Daemon Primarch.
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From what I have heard, the 4 daemon primarchs will be getting 30K models, regardless of the fact that there are also 40K versions of the same characters. There is sufficient demand for both.

What demand? Who's asking for a version of a model that already exists to be made in a more difficult material to work with at a more expensive price point? I have literally never seen that anywhere.

 Gert wrote:
What demand? Who's asking for a version of a model that already exists .

At present there are no rules for Daemon Primarchs in 30k, so of course no one is asking. People weren't asking for a Horus Ascended model either until rules appeared, and he has hardly sat on the shelf gathering dust, despite people being able to use the original Horus model with the ascended rules. And when I say 'There is sufficient demand for both', I mean that is how GW are viewing the market, not 'I have heard people ask for this online. Given the sales of all the primarch models so far, they are hardly going to worry that they wouldn't make a profit from doing 30k versions of some of the most iconic special characters in the history of the game, even if there is a plastic alternative.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:


Eventually he'll run out of ways to keep himself alive, and that's when Lorgar steps in and helps him become a daemon prince.

Perturabo is already a daemon prince by "modern" 40K.

If i remember correctly the precise point of Perturabo's ascension is known, afaik it was at the conclusion of the Iron Cage, he used the slaughtered Imperial Fists as the final sacrifice to seal the deal. That may have been retconned in the meantime though, it's from the Index Astartes IW from way back in 3rd or 4th edition and has not been mentioned that often since as far as i know.

Isn't Perturabo like... a planet at this point? I'll admit I'm some decades behind on 40K lore.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Why wouldn’t they? They made the Lion as the last loyalist primarch and released a plastic version, albeit for 40k, a few years later. The only difference is the 40k one has a big shield.

Did you miss the whole giant, spindly, poorly cast bit of my post? Who would ever want that in resin when there's a plastic version coming?

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
Isn't Perturabo like... a planet at this point? I'll admit I'm some decades behind on 40K lore.

No, he just hasn't left Medregard until recently. He and Honsou left together to take part in the 13th Black Crusade.

 JamesY wrote:
At present there are no rules for Daemon Primarchs in 30k, so of course no one is asking. People weren't asking for a Horus Ascended model either until rules appeared, and he has hardly sat on the shelf gathering dust, despite people being able to use the original Horus model with the ascended rules. And when I say 'There is sufficient demand for both', I mean that is how GW are viewing the market, not 'I have heard people ask for this online. Given the sales of all the primarch models so far, they are hardly going to worry that they wouldn't make a profit from doing 30k versions of some of the most iconic special characters in the history of the game, even if there is a plastic alternative.

You're misinterpreting what I said. People are actually asking for Daemon Primarch rules, especially now that only one remains to be made and half of them became Daemons about halfway through the Heresy. What they aren't saying is "Why isn't FW making Daemon Primarchs", not since Magnus was released at the end of 7th Ed 40k. That signalled that GW would be making at least the Big Four, locking FW out of needing to do so.

The original Horus model represents him at the end of the Crusade and the opening acts of the Heresy while the Horus Ascended model is effectively his version of a Daemon Primarch model. As for how GW views the market, producing the same model twice, one of which won't sell nearly as much isn't going to happen. Just like GW doesn't need to produce an entire line of Ruinstorm Daemons or Solar Auxilia Leman Russ's, it doesn't need to make a resin version of the Daemon Primarchs. The logic that the current Primarchs sell therefore resin Daemon ones will sell doesn't hold up when the only alternate GW-produced Primarchs either don't fit the setting or don't have rules to represent the models. The exception to the rule is the Lion because it's very similar to the Heresy version. The one current Daemon Primarch that doesn't quite perfectly fit their Heresy state is Angron, which can be solved by simply removing the big axe.

@ Gert in this thread, I've suggested that in the future, we'll see non-marine armies. New army pointed towards on the road map. I've also said a remake of mkiii (teased over the weekend) and mkiv (hinted at on the road map.) How about rather than keep telling me that I'm wrong, you maybe consider if I might be right?

 JamesY wrote:
@ Gert in this thread, I've suggested that in the future, we'll see non-marine armies. New army pointed towards on the road map. I've also said a remake of mkiii (teased over the weekend) and mkiv (hinted at on the road map.) How about rather than keep telling me that I'm wrong, you maybe consider if I might be right?

You made an extremely generic and long-term suggestion, that's hardly what I'd call vindication. And if we're being specific, the roadmap does not say "New Army Release" it says "Mystery Army Release" which is about as vague as your "GW will release plastic Mechanicum at some point within the next 18 months" bet.
I've never denied that the other armour patterns would get a redesign but good for you that you guessed it would happen at some point in this 162-page thread. I also don't see any suggestion of a redesigned Mk4, just that there is going to be an updated armour pattern and there was a teaser image released featuring something similar to Mk3. That doesn't suggest to me that Mk4 is getting a redo but rather the teaser we've seen is the updated kit getting released alongside a Deredeo.
I'm not going to consider your attempt to justify your belief that there will be duplicate resin models of plastic Daemon Primarchs as being right because you guessed one thing correctly.

 Gert wrote:

 JamesY wrote:
@ Gert in this thread, I've suggested that in the future, we'll see non-marine armies. New army pointed towards on the road map. I've also said a remake of mkiii (teased over the weekend) and mkiv (hinted at on the road map.) How about rather than keep telling me that I'm wrong, you maybe consider if I might be right?

You made an extremely generic and long-term suggestion, that's hardly what I'd call vindication. And if we're being specific, the roadmap does not say "New Army Release" it says "Mystery Army Release" which is about as vague as your "GW will release plastic Mechanicum at some point within the next 18 months" bet.
I've never denied that the other armour patterns would get a redesign but good for you that you guessed it would happen at some point in this 162-page thread. I also don't see any suggestion of a redesigned Mk4, just that there is going to be an updated armour pattern and there was a teaser image released featuring something similar to Mk3. That doesn't suggest to me that Mk4 is getting a redo but rather the teaser we've seen is the updated kit getting released alongside a Deredeo.
I'm not going to consider your attempt to justify your belief that there will be duplicate resin models of plastic Daemon Primarchs as being right because you guessed one thing correctly.

To be fair, they said in the stream that the 'mystery army' will specifically be plastic non-Marines. The roadmap does not contain all the information they revealed.

 Gert wrote:

 JamesY wrote:
@ Gert in this thread, I've suggested that in the future, we'll see non-marine armies. New army pointed towards on the road map. I've also said a remake of mkiii (teased over the weekend) and mkiv (hinted at on the road map.) How about rather than keep telling me that I'm wrong, you maybe consider if I might be right?

You made an extremely generic and long-term suggestion, that's hardly what I'd call vindication. And if we're being specific, the roadmap does not say "New Army Release" it says "Mystery Army Release" which is about as vague as your "GW will release plastic Mechanicum at some point within the next 18 months" bet.
I've never denied that the other armour patterns would get a redesign but good for you that you guessed it would happen at some point in this 162-page thread. I also don't see any suggestion of a redesigned Mk4, just that there is going to be an updated armour pattern and there was a teaser image released featuring something similar to Mk3. That doesn't suggest to me that Mk4 is getting a redo but rather the teaser we've seen is the updated kit getting released alongside a Deredeo.
I'm not going to consider your attempt to justify your belief that there will be duplicate resin models of plastic Daemon Primarchs as being right because you guessed one thing correctly.

Okay. I've no interest in trying too hard to convince a stranger on the internet of anything. We'll see what comes along down the road.

 JamesY wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 JamesY wrote:
@ Gert in this thread, I've suggested that in the future, we'll see non-marine armies. New army pointed towards on the road map. I've also said a remake of mkiii (teased over the weekend) and mkiv (hinted at on the road map.) How about rather than keep telling me that I'm wrong, you maybe consider if I might be right?

You made an extremely generic and long-term suggestion, that's hardly what I'd call vindication. And if we're being specific, the roadmap does not say "New Army Release" it says "Mystery Army Release" which is about as vague as your "GW will release plastic Mechanicum at some point within the next 18 months" bet.
I've never denied that the other armour patterns would get a redesign but good for you that you guessed it would happen at some point in this 162-page thread. I also don't see any suggestion of a redesigned Mk4, just that there is going to be an updated armour pattern and there was a teaser image released featuring something similar to Mk3. That doesn't suggest to me that Mk4 is getting a redo but rather the teaser we've seen is the updated kit getting released alongside a Deredeo.
I'm not going to consider your attempt to justify your belief that there will be duplicate resin models of plastic Daemon Primarchs as being right because you guessed one thing correctly.

Okay. I've no interest in trying too hard to convince a stranger on the internet of anything. We'll see what comes along down the road.

I have faith in your sources buddy, any future info is very welcome

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:


I have faith in your sources buddy, any future info is very welcome

Cheers mate. I only say anything if I've heard it from a few different directions. But like I said, we'll see what's down the road. The heresy team is absolutely massive, so even before anyone says anything specific that can only vaguely be repeated, it is clear that there is a lot more to come.

I’m surprised mk 4 isn’t being redone first given that it’s the older kit. Given that Fafnir Rann is sculpted with the new mk3, I guess it was easier to make more models based around him.

Speaking of which, how does Fafnir scale with the mk 6 marines?