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Nice model, just... an odd timing. I had expected we would get some more LI, but apparently "eh, next week" is good enough for GW.

Good to see some legion agnostic sculpt again. Also good to see it comes with an optional head/helmet - making it trivial to use any head you want to. Also also I can see this one being used in 40K armies, especially Black Templars.

Not Online!!! wrote:
could we get literally any other legion at this point except SoH and IF?

SoH/IF are the promo schemes for this edition of HH, as are Ultramarines for 40K. There is literally nothing on this models sculpt specific to any one legion.

He’s got that medallion thing on his belt that sort of matches the bling the plastic praetor has.

Not very excited to have a ton of epic reveals, unless it’s paired with showing what new unit the epic model us based on

Not Online!!! wrote:
could we get literally any other legion at this point except SoH and IF?

Do you not understand how marketing works?
Models are painted in the same schemes across a range to show customers what a prospective collection would look like in one colour scheme. Nobody is forcing you to paint this model as an Imperial Fist.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
What is their obsession with pinline trim on mk6? It looks so bad every time and it's a gakker to paint.

Agreed, one of the good things about MKVI is the lack of trim. I guess we could always cut it off...

 Darnok wrote:
Good to see some legion agnostic sculpt again. Also good to see it comes with an optional head/helmet - making it trivial to use any head you want to. Also also I can see this one being used in 40K armies, especially Black Templars.

Um, it's not legion agnostic?

The ship steering wheel iron halo is specifically IF thing, as is wind rose badge on chest/holster, BT-like loin cloth and gorget, the discs on belt, and probably the dangly he has on chain, too. Yes, these might be minor enough to modify/repaint, but he absolutely doesn't look like UM, IH, IW, or NL champion, he could maybe make OK Dark Angel if you squint hard enough and that's about it...

 GaroRobe wrote:
He’s got that medallion thing on his belt that sort of matches the bling the plastic praetor has.

Not very excited to have a ton of epic reveals, unless it’s paired with showing what new unit the epic model us based on

He's also got that tabbard, which basically no other legion wears besides fists and Dark angels.

Where is legiones imperalis?

Boosykes wrote:
Where is legiones imperalis?

In the next week, as they said at the bottom of the article.

They'll probably do it mostly by alternating weeks for 'Heresy Thursday' at least until late Autumn.

Nice sculpt, makes me want to convert him into a new Tycho, but alas, resin.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
The lack of backpack banners is one of the worst Primaris trends.

Say what?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Ultramarines-Chief-Librarian-Tigurius-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/dark-angels-azrael-2023
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/White-Scars-KorSarro-Khan-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Angels-Master-Lazarus-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120101369_BTUpgradesandTransfersStock.jpg

 Snord wrote:
There are historical precedents for tank crew using flags. Before radios were common, they used small flags for signalling. And there are numerous photos of Soviet tankers in WW2 with flags. Maybe just for the camera, but it isn't as ridiculous as some seem to think.

The flags were mostly for propaganda purposes, yes, but also for the fact that with fast moving steppe armored warfare your own planes often had no idea where the friendly units were so you put flags on so that the pilots can identify their own tanks and not bomb them. These flags were most often draped on the tank, but ones flying from poles were used too (though mostly in decorative role). Also, usage of captured tanks was (somewhat) common, especially on nazi side as T-34 was plainly better than vast majority of their tanks (though Soviets fielded SU-76i in not inconsiderable numbers too), and the crews of these had double incentive to be identified quickly and not be fired upon by reflex.

 Irbis wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:
The lack of backpack banners is one of the worst Primaris trends.

Say what?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Ultramarines-Chief-Librarian-Tigurius-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/dark-angels-azrael-2023
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/White-Scars-KorSarro-Khan-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Angels-Master-Lazarus-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120101369_BTUpgradesandTransfersStock.jpg

Prometheum is talking about like back in 2nd Ed when every character had one and every Tac Squad had one or two(depending on if you gave one to the Squad Vet for Combat Squading).

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
He's also got that tabbard, which basically no other legion wears besides fists and Dark angels.

Both the old Firstborn 40k Champion had one as does the more recent Primaris Champion.
It's some cloth on the front of the armour, it's hardly not a common sight among Space Marine models.
Also, Champions are the quintessential space knight. Loves a big sword, honour duels and killing powerful enemies. Makes sense they might look a bit more knightly.
But hey if it doesn't fit the exact Legion you have in mind there are so many other models you could use which IMO is one of the best things about HH. My Salamanders Champion is one of the old Masters of the Chapter with a Firedrake helm.

Very much like this new Champion and look forward to spending hours dryfitting old and new Dark Angel upgrade heads until I decide on the perfect one.

GW wrote:In the case of the Loyalist Champion, that means a massive two-handed sword nearly as tall as a Space Marine, expertly designed to lop heads off.

That's the opposite of what the picture shows, GW...

 Gert wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
could we get literally any other legion at this point except SoH and IF?

Do you not understand how marketing works?
Models are painted in the same schemes across a range to show customers what a prospective collection would look like in one colour scheme. Nobody is forcing you to paint this model as an Imperial Fist.

Good taste forces you to paint him as an Imperial Fist. As it did GW's painters. It's not an easy compulsion to overcome, but there is no end to the horde of misguided fools who try.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Boosykes wrote:
Where is legiones imperalis?

In the next week, as they said at the bottom of the article.

They'll probably do it mostly by alternating weeks for 'Heresy Thursday' at least until late Autumn.

I think it's sensible. Heresy Thursday is now shared with a different game that got its due exposure over the last week or two. Not a bad idea to reassure 28mm players quickly that they'll still get catered to as well.

Not-Emperors-Champion looks weird with his two-handed combi-weapon and two-handed sword.

 Geifer wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Boosykes wrote:
Where is legiones imperalis?

In the next week, as they said at the bottom of the article.

They'll probably do it mostly by alternating weeks for 'Heresy Thursday' at least until late Autumn.

I think it's sensible. Heresy Thursday is now shared with a different game that got its due exposure over the last week or two. Not a bad idea to reassure 28mm players quickly that they'll still get catered to as well.

Yeah, it's probably best to not do even more marines/heresy all the time, we have enough of it already Also, with the Epic stuff, you can't do too much for any given preview, everybody knows how a Rhino looks and the unit profiles in these sort of game usually don't have flashy special rules and such that lend themselves to preview hype.

Not Online!!! wrote:
could we get literally any other legion at this point except SoH and IF?

Probably not. They're the poster boys of HH2.0

The soonest we'll see another Legion is probably a year or more.

 Gert wrote:

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
He's also got that tabbard, which basically no other legion wears besides fists and Dark angels.

Both the old Firstborn 40k Champion had one as does the more recent Primaris Champion.
It's some cloth on the front of the armour, it's hardly not a common sight among Space Marine models.
Also, Champions are the quintessential space knight. Loves a big sword, honour duels and killing powerful enemies. Makes sense they might look a bit more knightly.
But hey if it doesn't fit the exact Legion you have in mind there are so many other models you could use which IMO is one of the best things about HH. My Salamanders Champion is one of the old Masters of the Chapter with a Firedrake helm.

That's 40k, which is a different aestetic to the heresy.

If you look at the actual legion specific and generic units only a few have them.

And I do agree, lots of options. Not many for mine, since unless you're going full late heresy not much of anything for WE, but hey, it's a niche.

 Irbis wrote:
The flags were mostly for propaganda purposes, yes, but also for the fact that with fast moving steppe armored warfare your own planes often had no idea where the friendly units were so you put flags on so that the pilots can identify their own tanks and not bomb them. These flags were most often draped on the tank, but ones flying from poles were used too (though mostly in decorative role). Also, usage of captured tanks was (somewhat) common, especially on nazi side as T-34 was plainly better than vast majority of their tanks (though Soviets fielded SU-76i in not inconsiderable numbers too), and the crews of these had double incentive to be identified quickly and not be fired upon by reflex.

Well at least someone read it…

The internet’s derision is usually directed at a model waving a flag from a vehicle hatch, rather than an aerial identification flag draped over the rear or attached to a radio antenna. My point was only that GW didn’t just make that up. And it can look cool. Models waving swords from vehicles is maybe pushing it, but in a world where your tank can get swarmed by Orks or Termagaunts, maybe having something long and pointy to hand isn’t a bad idea.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
That's 40k, which is a different aestetic to the heresy.

In terms of dress sense? Not really. People can kid themselves that heroes never wore fancy gear and everyone from a Tactical Marine to a Chapter Master looked the same but going back to the Visions books or the first proper HH models that notion isn't true. A tabard is just cloth on the armour, the only difference between older models with them and more modern ones is the modern sculpts are far better.

Not Online!!! wrote:
could we get literally any other legion at this point except SoH and IF?

What is specifically Imperial Fist about this model, besides the decal on the shoulderpad?

Irbis wrote:

 Darnok wrote:
Good to see some legion agnostic sculpt again. Also good to see it comes with an optional head/helmet - making it trivial to use any head you want to. Also also I can see this one being used in 40K armies, especially Black Templars.

Um, it's not legion agnostic?

The ship steering wheel iron halo is specifically IF thing, as is wind rose badge on chest/holster, BT-like loin cloth and gorget, the discs on belt, and probably the dangly he has on chain, too. Yes, these might be minor enough to modify/repaint, but he absolutely doesn't look like UM, IH, IW, or NL champion, he could maybe make OK Dark Angel if you squint hard enough and that's about it...

SgtEeveell wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
could we get literally any other legion at this point except SoH and IF?

What is specifically Imperial Fist about this model, besides the decal on the shoulderpad?

See above.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Meh. Looks a bit too Imperial Fist for me.

Mind you, it’s nothing I can’t convert or kitbash myself.

I do think it's somewhat tempting to give it a bit of 3rd legion flair. But not sure, may just bling up a palatine blade.

Does this model come with 40K rules and can I use him as an ultramarine - TIA

 Beaker07 wrote:
Does this model come with 40K rules and can I use him as an ultramarine - TIA

No, and yes.


Edit: - My seven thousandth, seven hudread and seventyseventh post! Praise Nurgle!

Some photoshops in different colours posted by sarabando on Bolter and Chainsword. I actually really like the UM one.

I always like how much head swap can do to influence a model.
Also I am ashamed to admit that I read the symbols on the photo shopped Ultramarine as "UwU".

What are the odds that this guy has a near-direct translation to epic scale on one of the sprues?

Anybody know where the helmet is from on the Ultramarines photoshop knock up?

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