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Hey hey tho with 3 pistol marks in there, is that a clue towards the next plastic armour mark? Which pistols go with which armour?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Which pistols go with which armour?

Phobos = MkIII, Umbra = MkVI, Tigris = MkIV.

In 1.0 Umbra pattern weapons were more associated with MkII, but they've switched it round so that MkVI have them now.

 Snrub wrote:
I don't get why are people surprised there were no chain axes in the kit. How many legions can actually take them en-masse? Pretty much just the world eaters, right? Like not even the Space Wolf units get them.
The only generic units that can take them are Praetors and Centurions. No other non-legion specific unit has access too them. Why would they put, what is essentially a legion specific upgrade in the generic upgrade kit?

Not trying to imply World Eaters players don't deserve their chain axes. Just not sure why they thought they'd get them in this kit.

Because there isn't a plastic legion sprue for anyone at this time and hence this was the easy ingress point. It's not like it wouldn't also be handy in the rest of their ranges either.

As a result this tells world eaters that they now are balanced round a free wargear upgrade that GW don't sell in any sane measure, which is pretty dumb.

Funny enough Umbra is the one pattern I'm not seeing in the hands of MkII marines in the background images for Book 1.

And the webstore page from 2016 for MkII also shows a Phobos bolter.

There is no match between bolter patterns and armor marks, they were basically all mix and match. Phobos is associated with MKII because they both entered service around the same time, and Tigrus is associated with MkIV because Tigrus was heavily used by the traitor legions at the onset of the heresy, who also were heavily equipped with MkIV, but beyond that not much.

Dudeface wrote:
Because there isn't a plastic legion sprue for anyone at this time and hence this was the easy ingress point.

Ok... But it looks as though FW will be handling the legion specific upgrade kits (for the moment at least), if the preexisting legion weapon kits and the new Blood Angels and Sons of Horus kits are any indication. Why would the World Eaters get special preference here?

It's not like it wouldn't also be handy in the rest of their ranges either.

No it wouldn't. Last time I checked, GW have robbed the 40k space marines of just about all their weapon options, so unless you're doing it for aesthetics alone, it'd be useless outside of Heresy. And as already established, a particular faction at that.

As a result this tells world eaters that they now are balanced round a free wargear upgrade that GW don't sell in any sane measure, which is pretty dumb.

That's a pretty one dimensional view of the legion if you think the only thing they have going for them is chain axes.

 Kothra wrote:
Funny enough Umbra is the one pattern I'm not seeing in the hands of MkII marines in the background images for Book 1.

And the webstore page from 2016 for MkII also shows a Phobos bolter.

Huh. I was fairly certain the old 30 man "tactical squads" that they sold came with Umbra bolters. I know the MkII power weapon kit had phobos bolt pistols in it, but that was because they hadn't made an Umbra equivalent pistol yet.

So what do we reckon on price - same as the plastic heavy and special weapons boxes?

 Snrub wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Because there isn't a plastic legion sprue for anyone at this time and hence this was the easy ingress point.

Ok... But it looks as though FW will be handling the legion specific upgrade kits (for the moment at least), if the preexisting legion weapon kits and the new Blood Angels and Sons of Horus kits are any indication. Why would the World Eaters get special preference here?

It's not like it wouldn't also be handy in the rest of their ranges either.

No it wouldn't. Last time I checked, GW have robbed the 40k space marines of just about all their weapon options, so unless you're doing it for aesthetics alone, it'd be useless outside of Heresy. And as already established, a particular faction at that.

As a result this tells world eaters that they now are balanced round a free wargear upgrade that GW don't sell in any sane measure, which is pretty dumb.

That's a pretty one dimensional view of the legion if you think the only thing they have going for them is chain axes.

 Kothra wrote:
Funny enough Umbra is the one pattern I'm not seeing in the hands of MkII marines in the background images for Book 1.

And the webstore page from 2016 for MkII also shows a Phobos bolter.

Huh. I was fairly certain the old 30 man "tactical squads" that they sold came with Umbra bolters. I know the MkII power weapon kit had phobos bolt pistols in it, but that was because they hadn't made an Umbra equivalent pistol yet.

Chainaxes feature on troops for space wolves and sons of horus as well, and on some terminators iirc.

World eaters are most hurt by their absence but not the only one. Whilst it's not the only aspect of their rules, I'm sure nobody enjoys being a point per model worse off because they don't want to buy packs of 5 resin chainaxes for 60 guys.

 Snrub wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Which pistols go with which armour?

Phobos = MkIII, Umbra = MkVI, Tigris = MkIV.

In 1.0 Umbra pattern weapons were more associated with MkII, but they've switched it round so that MkVI have them now.

The RTB001 beakie box of MkVI armour came with umbra pattern bolters. MkVI has pretty much always had umbra pattern bolters, even if other marks have had them too, unless you want to look at pre-RTB001 metals without the modified leg greaves.

I want to see some pictures of that heavy chainsword on a model, looks very mean!

Excited for plastic Fellblade and Thunderhawk next week

FINALLY. Definitely a bit bummed that we didn't get mirrored weapons, especially for the pistols and chainswords, but I suppose they do want to sell a breacher squad and then have us wait three years for a destroyer/recon/seeker upgrade sprue.

But aside from that, good all around. I can see why people might be annoyed by the 4-ofs rather than the 5-ofs, but at least for me I'll likely get a couple of them and just draw parts as needed from the bits box.

Whats the negative aspect of this?
Im missing a finger from my spare monkeys paw is all..
Do we have a price point for this set yet?

 SirDonlad wrote:
Do we have a price point for this set yet?

For something that has been revealed today, with no release date?

...

...no.

 SirDonlad wrote:

Do we have a price point for this set yet?

All the other weapon upgrade sets are £29 and seem to have the same amount of sprues, so... maybe around that?

Okay, well its good that all the pistols are left-handed.
I had a rummage in my bits box and was pleased to realize the pistols on the plastic mk3 and mk4 tactical squads are right handed.


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 xttz wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:

Do we have a price point for this set yet?

All the other weapon upgrade sets are £29 and seem to have the same amount of sprues, so... maybe around that?

Nice one, cheers!

 SirDonlad wrote:
Whats the negative aspect of this?
Im missing a finger from my spare monkeys paw is all..
Do we have a price point for this set yet?

Well, nothing so far save for being very long overdue and the most requested kit. Ideally it should have been released within six months of the launch. Otherwise, enjoy!

 SirDonlad wrote:
Whats the negative aspect of this?

Not seeing one. That's right, I'm not seeing a problem with a GW kit

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
Whats the negative aspect of this?

Not seeing one. That's right, I'm not seeing a problem with a GW kit

Big pat on the back for the recent toolmaker hires i recon!

My sole grump is why only two Handflamers, but three Bolt Pistol variants.

Volkite Serpenta I can get from the Jetbike kit (and used for my Assault Squad), and it’s a handy 3 per kit. But, only the one Handflamer per kit.

And let’s be honest, that’s a pretty minor grump.

I'll grump about random bare heads being rather plain, rather than scarred or bionic

Good set. Better than I'd feared but not as good as I'd hoped for. Wish they hadn't wasted sprue space on 10 bare heads in a melee weapons set though.

Hopefully this is released promptly

5 heads, it's two copies of one sprue.

Also probably means a single pose for the 2 spears and for the 2 heavy chainswords, unless they got really good with modular arms.

If I had a gripe it would be that if you wanted to use the same pattern bolt pistol for an entire squad you'll need to buy more boxes just for that.

Pretty minor problem really as I'm sure it would be easy to find people to trade and buy from.

Well, with two boxes you can outfit 10 Mk3 and 10 Mk6 Despoilers with the correct pistols, you just gotta shell out points to upgrade the 1 in 5 squaddies with a flamer or serpenta.

But honestly, what we're seeing here is a failing of the Assault Squad box not building Despoilers (like the firstborn Assault Squad did in 40k), not a failing of the melee weapon box.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
5 heads, it's two copies of one sprue

I said 10 heads per set, not sprue. Them being duplicative just makes it worse. Much prefer sprue space going towards something useful with bare heads like this being sprinkled throughout subsequent infantry kits

Anyway on a positive note, absolutely loving the sabre redesign. So much better than the banana pirate cutlass look going on in the old resin upgrades

Dudeface wrote:
Chainaxes feature on troops for space wolves and sons of horus as well, and on some terminators iirc.

World eaters are most hurt by their absence but not the only one. Whilst it's not the only aspect of their rules, I'm sure nobody enjoys being a point per model worse off because they don't want to buy packs of 5 resin chainaxes for 60 guys.

Ok, without trying to be overly combative here, I genuinely cannot find any rules/squads that allow either SoH or the Wolves to arm squads with chain axes. Both legions allow units to freely take their own specific axes, Fenresian and Carsoran respectively, but aside from the SoH Reaver squads who get chainaxes as standard (and who's kit includes them), no other unit has access to chainaxes.

Which don't get me wrong, is a crying shame that more legions/units can't take them. I'd love to be able to arm my own despoilers and destroyers with chainaxes.

 Snrub wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Chainaxes feature on troops for space wolves and sons of horus as well, and on some terminators iirc.

World eaters are most hurt by their absence but not the only one. Whilst it's not the only aspect of their rules, I'm sure nobody enjoys being a point per model worse off because they don't want to buy packs of 5 resin chainaxes for 60 guys.

Ok, without trying to be overly combative here, I genuinely cannot find any rules/squads that allow either SoH or the Wolves to arm squads with chain axes. Both legions allow units to freely take their own specific axes, Fenresian and Carsoran respectively, but aside from the SoH Reaver squads who get chainaxes as standard (and who's kit includes them), no other unit has access to chainaxes.

Which don't get me wrong, is a crying shame that more legions/units can't take them. I'd love to be able to arm my own despoilers and destroyers with chainaxes.

I believe it's their inductii who get access to them.

 Arbitrator wrote:
I believe it's their inductii who get access to them.

Ah so it is. I'd completely forgotten about the Inductii rules.

Dudeface wrote:
Chainaxes feature on troops for space wolves and sons of horus as well, and on some terminators iirc.

My apologies, you were correct.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well, with two boxes

So more than one box, which is what I stated.

The half drawn power sword is more narrow than the free blade and also much shorter considering the lenght of the actual sheat.
Makes sense, the full lenght sword would probably be really hard to draw from a sheat if the blade was longer than your arm.

Edit: the half sheated power blade match the blade you get in the basic power armour box, and the free blade is the one you get in the command sqd upgrade I guess.