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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The original AoD was way longer than 4y 5m?

The first models, and the book, came out just when I was starting my career, so back in 2012. And FAQ/Errata aside, I’m sure it stuck with the same massive hardback rulebook for the duration?

Yeah 100%. Black Book 1: Betrayal was published in 2012 and was to be used in conjunction with the 6th edition 40k rules.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Just curious as to whether it is likely or not that Horus Heresy will follow the 3-year life cycle of the 40K and AoS games? FAQs and Errata-wise, is that bad yet?

Its looking like the only time the HH didn't follow the 40k/3year edition cycle is the first edition Age of Darkness rulebook.
40K 6th 1 year 11 months
40K 7th 3 years 7 months
AoD 1st 4 years 5 months
AoD 2nd 2 years 6 months and counting..

The original AoD was way longer than 4y 5m?

The first models, and the book, came out just when I was starting my career, so back in 2012. And FAQ/Errata aside, I’m sure it stuck with the same massive hardback rulebook for the duration?

Yeah, lexicanum counts 10 years for 1st edition, 2012 - 2022, starting with Betrayal, 2nd edition obviously running since 2022.
The poster might have been confused by the fact that there is a 1st edition rulebook from 2017, but it was only necessary because the according 40K rules vanished at that point and weren't compatible anymore.

If I had to make a guess, I'd say that Age of Darkness and Old World would NOT be on the same 3-year cycle as 40k and Age of Sigmar. It'd be tough to have 4 systems on 3-year cycles and need to double-up some releases.

Maybe they'll switch to four-year cycles? It'd be nice for editions to last a bit longer.

I also don't think we'll get a fully new edition next year. A 2.5 clean-up update on the other hand? That is fully possible

Sgt. Cortez wrote:


Yeah, lexicanum counts 10 years for 1st edition, 2012 - 2022

Which lexicanum are you accessing? The one im looking at has 1st edition following 7th edition
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warhammer_40,000_7th_Edition_Rulebook
Relevant dates
40K 6th June 2012 - May 2014
40K 7th May 2014 - June 2017
AoD 1st December 2017 - June 2022
AoD 2nd June 2022 - present

The community would have been muuuuuch happier with the 6th edition super-heavy rules when questoris knights came out.

The actual Horus Heresy game page has 1st edition from 2012 to 2022 when HH2 was released.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Horus_Heresy_(Game)

Nobody I know would ever say HH had 3 editions between the release of Betrayal in 2012 and HH2 in 2022.

At best there will be a big FAQ and new versions of the various army books to include any units/rules released over the first few Black Books.

 Gert wrote:

Nobody I know would ever say HH had 3 editions between the release of Betrayal in 2012 and HH2 in 2022.

Thats incorrect because you at least know me and i say its 4 as previously stated.

The part of me which sees 2nd edition as a mistake to be expunged from all records agrees with you though.

HH 1.0 was from 2012 to 2022. It counted both 6th and 7th editions of 40k.

Revised rulebook from 2017 only had 1 small change with grenades or something. It was released because gamers were unable to buy official 7th edition 40k rulebook anymore from GW shop.

It also replaced the psychic power Invisibility with one that was less insanely broken

I'm expecting the '2.5' edition treatment. Won't be mad about it. Just hope they have taken the opportunity to do light balancing and made my Legiones Hereticus EC slightly less garbage

SamusDrake, could you please refrain from opening any more cans of worms in the future, and not giving SirDonald a headache?

No headaches here.
We have used four different core rulebooks since betrayal got released, you all know this.

What you're all trying to do is differentiate between the utter trash that is AoD V2.0 and everything which came before it (that was generally accepted by all players with a few minor quibbles).

You all wanted a snappy tagline to attach to your perspective and are willing to lie to yourselves in order to acheive it.
I accept that, but dont think i'm going to lie to myself like you're all happy to do.

6th edition is unironically the best edition.

Incredible. Everything you just said is wrong.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Incredible. Everything you just said is wrong.

I'm willing to accept that "No headaches here." might be accurate.

Take it to a thread of its own please.

What Brook M said. Can we please have a look at available images and possibly determine if and how many of these Dark Mechanicum units are ready for 28mm? Please? (I'm looking at you, MDG)

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
What Brook M said. Can we please have a look at available images and possibly determine if and how many of these Dark Mechanicum units are ready for 28mm? Please? (I'm looking at you, MDG)

Looks like the Archer, Cyclops, Swarmers, and Serperos are all 28 in these pictures. Going with how GW does modular kits for HH, Id guess the Archer, Butcher, and Cyclops all share a legs and center torso sprue, with separate kits for the head and weapons.

They’re definitely 28mm.

The details are sharper and more pronounced, particularly the lens shutter thing in the first pic.

And as I pointed out earlier? I can’t think of any such art pieces which weren’t based on physical models. There was a claim to the contrary (and fair enough, I am not an authority), but frustratingly no supporting examples of such art featuring non-existent models.

I’d say the more telling thing is the thickness of the trim. They have said on multiple occasions that directly scaling down from 28mm scale would effectively make trim vanish and scaling up from epic scale would turn it into a separate component if they didn’t change that.

Either way, yeah those are full size pieces.

I really, really hope these are coming in 28mm scale.

I don't play HH in 28mm scale at all but I'd love to have a big chaos titan version to birth all the baby ones out on the battlefield for Epic!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And as I pointed out earlier? I can’t think of any such art pieces which weren’t based on physical models. There was a claim to the contrary (and fair enough, I am not an authority), but frustratingly no supporting examples of such art featuring non-existent models.

Maybe the Solar Leman Russ box?

They have a different hull mount to the old resin Mars LR, but don't have the trim and details of the new 28mm SA version.



I still think it's more likely a photoshop job for this specific example than the Dark Mech stuff NOT being 28mm models though.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
What Brook M said. Can we please have a look at available images and possibly determine if and how many of these Dark Mechanicum units are ready for 28mm? Please?

Personally I think these images look more like 3D renders than actual physical models.

Don't get me wrong, these units absolutely have been designed to be 28mm scale. WarCom have previously stated that the studio process is to begin with that and work down for AT/LI. I'm confident a digital 28mm scale Warmaster design exists somewhere.

However this artwork is no guarantee a kit is in the pipeline. Plus GW will have a lot of plastic Mechanicum kits to sell at HH-scale before trying to flog a £200+ single kit.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They’re definitely 28mm.

The details are sharper and more pronounced, particularly the lens shutter thing in the first pic.

And as I pointed out earlier? I can’t think of any such art pieces which weren’t based on physical models. There was a claim to the contrary (and fair enough, I am not an authority), but frustratingly no supporting examples of such art featuring non-existent models.

Try every one of the solar auxilia superheavies (stormhammer being the one exception) for starters.

The images are almost certainly renders from what I can see, renders of a larger scale models sure, but probably not of a physical item.

Can you share examples?

They've been showing "28mm" versions of various Baneblade chassis superheavies ever since LI launched, I won't hold my breath on those renders becoming reality any longer.

 xttz wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
What Brook M said. Can we please have a look at available images and possibly determine if and how many of these Dark Mechanicum units are ready for 28mm? Please?

I'm confident a digital 28mm scale Warmaster design exists somewhere.

Yes, obvious clue is that it has redundant mounts for the pistons that join the arms to the body, but the pistons do not exist on the epic model. The Warlord is the same, the AT model has the mount points for the pistons modeled, but does not include the pistons (presumably because they would fix the arms in place, unless they were designed as incredibly fiddly working pistons).

I am still holding out hope for a 28mm release of the Warmaster, the concept art it is based on has always been my favourite Titan design since the first teaser advert for the original AT!

Tavis75 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
What Brook M said. Can we please have a look at available images and possibly determine if and how many of these Dark Mechanicum units are ready for 28mm? Please?

I'm confident a digital 28mm scale Warmaster design exists somewhere.

Yes, obvious clue is that it has redundant mounts for the pistons that join the arms to the body, but the pistons do not exist on the epic model. The Warlord is the same, the AT model has the mount points for the pistons modeled, but does not include the pistons (presumably because they would fix the arms in place, unless they were designed as incredibly fiddly working pistons).

I am still holding out hope for a 28mm release of the Warmaster, the concept art it is based on has always been my favourite Titan design since the first teaser advert for the original AT!

IIRC the Warlord was already said to be pushing it in term of size when it came to being self supporting. They may have made a 28mm Warmaster, but it may be too heavy to build without dedicated pinning and such to keep it together. Though a handful of people have made 3d printed versions.

Still waiting for the Dire wolf and various arm/carapace weapons in 28mm

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Tavis75 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
What Brook M said. Can we please have a look at available images and possibly determine if and how many of these Dark Mechanicum units are ready for 28mm? Please?

I'm confident a digital 28mm scale Warmaster design exists somewhere.

Yes, obvious clue is that it has redundant mounts for the pistons that join the arms to the body, but the pistons do not exist on the epic model. The Warlord is the same, the AT model has the mount points for the pistons modeled, but does not include the pistons (presumably because they would fix the arms in place, unless they were designed as incredibly fiddly working pistons).

I am still holding out hope for a 28mm release of the Warmaster, the concept art it is based on has always been my favourite Titan design since the first teaser advert for the original AT!

IIRC the Warlord was already said to be pushing it in term of size when it came to being self supporting. They may have made a 28mm Warmaster, but it may be too heavy to build without dedicated pinning and such to keep it together. Though a handful of people have made 3d printed versions.

Still waiting for the Dire wolf and various arm/carapace weapons in 28mm

FWIW, the 28mm Warlord benefits greatly from dedicated pinning. That was one of the first things I considered in construction. I would love to see a 28mm Warmaster, even if it needed hellacious pinning.

I'm with you - badly hanging out for the rest of the 28mm Titan options, and would love a 28mm Dire Wold conversion kit or full model.

If they want to do a 28mm scale Warmaster they’re going to have to invest in pre-pinned limbs; get some knurled rod, insert it into the mould, and cast the part around it so you have live a through-and-through bit of metal.

It doesn't seem outside the realms of possibility that they could release a model that absolutely requires pinning (I would say some of the old metal models did, if you actually wanted them to stay together for longer than 30 seconds), possibly with a disclaimer.

I would imagine the Warmaster would be somewhere in the £2.5k-£3k region, so probably unlikely to be picked up by a beginner.