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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
He' very baroque. Who's the hand flamer going to impress?

Wrist mounted handflamer so he can have a free hand to point at stuff he want to incinerate I hope he dont burn his fingers.

The filigree plus the quite static pose funnily reminds me of the one third party 40K sculptor who was all the rage some years ago, what's his name again? ("some years" meaning everything between 10-20 yrs, I'm old)

MarkNorfolk wrote:
All these resin characters characters are well and good, but I’d like something a bit more plasticity with a bit more general purposefulness, in either big or little Horus Heresy.

Like the Mechanicum stuff that's been shown over the last few weeks? The Legions have most of the roster in plastic at this point, it's been nice to see both Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum get the boost they desperately needed.

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
The filigree plus the quite static pose funnily reminds me of the one third party 40K sculptor who was all the rage some years ago, what's his name again? ("some years" meaning everything between 10-20 yrs, I'm old)

Scibor - Which was my immediate thought when I saw this too.

Mr Insomniac wrote:

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
The filigree plus the quite static pose funnily reminds me of the one third party 40K sculptor who was all the rage some years ago, what's his name again? ("some years" meaning everything between 10-20 yrs, I'm old)

Scibor - Which was my immediate thought when I saw this too.

That's him, exactly!!

With Nex last week and this guy, I bet we get Camba Diaz next week to fill out the trio of characters from the Mars Civil War book

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:

Mr Insomniac wrote:

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
The filigree plus the quite static pose funnily reminds me of the one third party 40K sculptor who was all the rage some years ago, what's his name again? ("some years" meaning everything between 10-20 yrs, I'm old)

Scibor - Which was my immediate thought when I saw this too.

That's him, exactly!!

A lot of the filigree is pretty ugly to boot. Some of it doesn't flow from the rims on the pads, but instead juts from it at right angles. At other times there are a sequence of curls that are all in the same direction, when you'd expect some opposing curls to create a natural flowing design. It definitely reminds be of the old press-moulded scibor designs too.

The wrist mounted weapon is better integrated into the armour than those of the sanguinary guard or dawnbreakers (EDIT: or grey knights) but it still looks a fair bit too large. I've always sworn that if I ever make some sanguinary guard that I'd try to incorporate the weapons into the armour more comprehensively than the tacked on oversized lumps we currently have. So I appreciate that they tried something a bit different with this mini.

 Gert wrote:

MarkNorfolk wrote:
All these resin characters characters are well and good, but I’d like something a bit more plasticity with a bit more general purposefulness, in either big or little Horus Heresy.

Like the Mechanicum stuff that's been shown over the last few weeks? The Legions have most of the roster in plastic at this point, it's been nice to see both Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum get the boost they desperately needed.

Yeah, the Mechanicum support box should be in people’s hands on Saturday (mine has shipped!) so they’re probably waiting for that before distracting people with new shinies.

I was excited to see that there were extra images. Except they were just cutouts from the one picture. Can’t we get another angle? Can we only afford one picture in this economy?

Not a fan. Whie the modern proportions are always welcome, cannot help thinking the manlet praetor & co pull of those decarative bitz better. This guy is too busy in all the wrong ways IMHO, but then again I never appreciated the HH IXth decor style with these golden hurlumhei's all over the models..

My horrors might have just became true. The MK V Assault squad resin kit now shows "SOLD OUT ONLINE" instead of temporarily out of stock.. I have been waiting over 6 months for these to come back in stock..

I am desperately looking for these types of jump packs for my RT era beakie army! I'd need 1-5 of these jump packs. Am willing to pay scalper prices for them as long as they are official FW resin ones. In fact, ended up finding some and paid through the nose to get em

EDIT: Seems that also the MK V resin tacticals are sold out online.. so now the only MK V models available are the new apotechary and a couple characters. Store snafu, or a plastic kit incoming..?

From the latest Valrak rumour video:

- massive box for HH incoming, themed Salamanders vs. Iron Warriors, as the 3rd edition launch box
- 40 to 50 minis included
- mentions "troops, Terminators, Dreadnoughts, gun emplacements"
- coming end of spring to summertime
- plastic Mk.II for basic troops
- Praetor Mk.II
- includes Saturnine Terminators ("apparently six alltogether, three two-man squads, with different loadouts") and Saturnine Dreadnoughts
- also comes with a Saturnine HQ/Praetor
- includes a "never before seen" gun emplacement
- comes with measuring sticks, templates (doesn't mention it, but probably dice and BRB as well)

As always, Valrak being Valrak, take it with a grain of salt. Adepticon will either confirm this or shoot it down in flames. Either way we should know in a bit more than two weeks.

 Darnok wrote:
From the latest Valrak rumour video:

- massive box for HH incoming, themed Salamanders vs. Iron Warriors, as the 3rd edition launch box
- 40 to 50 minis included
- mentions "troops, Terminators, Dreadnoughts, gun emplacements"
- coming end of spring to summertime
- plastic Mk.II for basic troops
- Praetor Mk.II
- includes Saturnine Terminators ("apparently six alltogether, three two-man squads, with different loadouts") and Saturnine Dreadnoughts
- also comes with a Saturnine HQ/Praetor
- includes a "never before seen" gun emplacement
- comes with measuring sticks, templates (doesn't mention it, but probably dice and BRB as well)

As always, Valrak being Valrak, take it with a grain of salt. Adepticon will either confirm this or shoot it down in flames. Either way we should know in a bit more than two weeks.

If it's the June/July slot Adepticon might be a bit early for anything beyond a cryptic 5 second video or whatever.

Might still be enough to confirm or debunk?

Haven't we been getting a "Saturnine termies soon!" rumor since basically the start of this edition?

I get it's for clicks/attention but why some people are apparently obsessed with the ugliest looking armor is beyond me.

 ScarletRose wrote:
why some people are apparently obsessed with the ugliest looking armor is beyond me.

I asked myself that same question every time threads were full of people wanting Cataphractii before the plastics were released.

We all have different opinions on which the "ugliest" is.

We don't even know what it looks like.

Aren't the Saturnyne (or however you spell it) Terminators the ones we've seen art for with Even Bigger Pauldrons (TM), and some gun mounted above their heads between the pauldrons?

 ScarletRose wrote:
Haven't we been getting a "Saturnine termies soon!" rumor since basically the start of this edition?

I get it's for clicks/attention but why some people are apparently obsessed with the ugliest looking armor is beyond me.

Opinions (and tastes) vary. It's not that deep.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
We don't even know what it looks like.

True, but since when did facts get in the way of opinions?

Vakrak has been fairly consistent on these rumours; I am assuming he’s at least partially correct, allowing for his habitual vagueness about unit names. I’m not convinced that there is any real demand for these alleged Saturnine Terminators, but I guess they’ll be popular if they are suitably archaic looking. I’m not that excited about Mk 2 armour (I think Mk 5 would be better) - and the inclusion of Tigrus bolt pistols on the melee weapons sprue would suggest that it is actually Mk 4 armour that is being re-done next. I would also have thought that most people would prefer another plastic unit or vehicle to a ‘gun emplacement’.

The "Never seen before" gun emplacements could well be rapier carriers. Valrak may well be familiar with tarantulas, but not rapiers and therefore could have mistook a (presumably blurry) photo of them for something new.



I'm going to go out on a limb here and postulate that if indeed they are Saturnine terminators, they'll have "rebranded" them as siege terminators (Not that there's much to rebrand a single model and what? Two pieces of artwork?), which would suit their general "look". Although to be honest I'd be interested in what lore they give them, as there's never been anything more then nothing about them.

As for the Saturnine Dreadnought, again, postulating that it'll be a re-do of the Furibundus, which I believe there was a rumour about a good while back.

 Darnok wrote:
From the latest Valrak rumour video:

- massive box for HH incoming, themed Salamanders vs. Iron Warriors, as the 3rd edition launch box
- 40 to 50 minis included
- mentions "troops, Terminators, Dreadnoughts, gun emplacements"
- coming end of spring to summertime
- plastic Mk.II for basic troops
- Praetor Mk.II
- includes Saturnine Terminators ("apparently six alltogether, three two-man squads, with different loadouts") and Saturnine Dreadnoughts
- also comes with a Saturnine HQ/Praetor
- includes a "never before seen" gun emplacement
- comes with measuring sticks, templates (doesn't mention it, but probably dice and BRB as well)

As always, Valrak being Valrak, take it with a grain of salt. Adepticon will either confirm this or shoot it down in flames. Either way we should know in a bit more than two weeks.

Some more info:
In the comments he corrected himself that he meant 2x three-man squads of termis
Also this is apperantly close to how the gun emplacement was described to him:
He also talks a bit about which weapons the Terminators, Dreadnought and gun emplacement will have but I don't have time to write all of them out right now so just watch the video if you are interested

At this point I'll be very surprised if we don't get an mk2 box with some new (probably saturine) terminators.

With that said, I'm still extremely skeptical about it being a new edition / actual reboot. We'll see, but I'm skeptical.

I'd hope for the same edition with an errata/balance pass.

MkII isn't my favorite, but I could find places for it. 2x 3 man units is odd for hh terminators. The 3 man units are mainly over in mechanicum and custodes, not astartes.

Gun turrets, that pic is from the firestorm redoubt, but the guns are compatible with the vengeance weapons batteries. If they do (re)make those as a proper plastic kit rather than the older China cast terrain sprues, I would greatly approve. More terrain is always better.

If all these rumors are true, it could look like
Mk II praetor
30x mkII marines
Saturnine praetor
2x3? Saturnine terminators
(Possibly it is not 2x3 units, but a unit of 5 with the praetor as the sixth model)
2? Dreadnoughts
2? Vengeance batteries?
41 models, with weapons batteries and a second dreadnought in place of a Spartan but otherwise about equivalent to the age of darkness box. I could see it.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Gun turrets, that pic is from the firestorm redoubt, but the guns are compatible with the vengeance weapons batteries. If they do (re)make those as a proper plastic kit rather than the older China cast terrain sprues, I would greatly approve. More terrain is always better.

Those Vengeance turrets were very poor models - the detail was soft and they were covered in lumpy-looking skulls. Improved, skull- free versions would be nice, but not particularly exciting. Plastic Rapiers would be infinitely superior.

I kind-of hope the Saturnine Dreadnought thing is true. I have a 40k army that has 140 guys converted from Stormcast Eternals that could use something different for a vehicle.

I hope that new Terminator Pattern doesen't look like those silly Early 90s Mega Shoulder Pad Armour.

 Snord wrote:
Plastic Rapiers would be infinitely superior.

Yeah - I'd prefer Rapiers or Tarantulas over almost anything else.


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RazorEdge wrote:
I hope that new Terminator Pattern doesen't look like those silly Early 90s Mega Shoulder Pad Armour.

This is what a lot of people want (from one of the novels):

A modernized Furibundus Dreadnought would be a dream come true. MKII will probably get proper HH heads all hot and bothered (unless they flub it like they claim they did with the MKIII..), but I personally would prefer MKIV or MKV. No matter as long as we eventually get all marks in the 5 poses I guess..

The 5 poses are killing me almost as much as the loss of overlapping plates on Mk2/3