Horus Heresy / 30K N&R

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**Gimgamgoo**

skrulnik wrote:
Sigh.
If it is a new edition, I'll continue to pick up models, but I don't want new books.
I haven't bought anything past the Astartes & Heretic books. The campaign books don't do anything for me.
I probably should grab the Mechanicum book while its still available tho.

Same for me.
However, we know how GW work... the newer models they release won't have rules in the older edition so there's no stats for them so you need the new edition.
:-(

**The Phazer**

Altruizine wrote:

So, first, how do you know HH has been transferred to the main design studio? Valrak or other rumourmongers? Because HH was one of the few products where it was, in the past, 100% confirmed to be designed under SDS' remit.

I honestly have trouble keeping track of which products are main/SDS because there's no logic to it and because GW suppresses credits for their creatives. During the FW decades it was obvious, because of the resin/plastic split, but now SDS gets time on the HIPs STCs. Doesn't neatly divide by setting. "Smaller niche games" certainly doesn't cover it, because Underworlds is the very definition of a small niche game and is apparently main studio.

But, no, it doesn't stand to reason that a game would automatically be handed over. If you've employed 20 people to handle AoS and 40K, and 10 people to handle Necromunda and Horus Heresy, and then Horus Heresy grows, you can't just expect the 20 fully-tasked people to absorb HH without restructuring or personnel transfers. It cannot be a painless automatic pipeline of "whatever gets popular goes directly to the main studio." That's not to say it can't happen, and there are also apocryphal stories of the main design studio having a bigger appetite (trying to snatch up The Old World iirc, according to some reports).

It's still very easy to tell - systems that are still getting new resin models are SDS (given it was FW) and systems that don't are main studio (granted, it has been a little while since Legions Imperialis got some new resin weapons, but I'm sure it will at some point).

**Dysartes**

Resin would make sense for Primarchs, if or when they get to them.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Tarantula!

**zedmeister**

Interesting. Great to see the tarantulas back. Also, I wonder if the mounts will allow them to be fitted onto the Deimos Rhino chassis, ala scorpius. So Whirlwind and Whirlwind Hyperios become options

What were the rumours of the starter set again? Wonder if these would appear in them?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I think they included a gun turret of some kind.

**Quixote**

This brings hope, that I will once again see sentry guns in play.

**SamusDrake**

free downloadble rules...later in the year. Interesting.

**zedmeister**

Also, Iron Warriors colours?

**lord_blackfang**

SamusDrake wrote:
free downloadble rules...later in the year. Interesting.

Would seem to imply at least that their first release won't be in a starter set, as that would come with rules included?

Alright sculpt, but looks a little bit more 40k than 30k in my opinion. I do appreciate the callback to the metal Whirlwind.

**chaos0xomega**

No hazard stripes, so dont think its IW. Maybe IH?

Weird they dont mention usability by Solar Auxilia anywhere though, unless I missed it?

**Platuan4th**

Looks like it's more of just a generic scheme so they can put them in pictures with any number of armies.

**Quixote**

Platuan4th wrote:
Looks like it's more of just a generic scheme so they can put them in pictures with any number of armies.

I agree, they just look generic military.

**beast_gts**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Weird they dont mention usability by Solar Auxilia anywhere though, unless I missed it?

In LI, Astartes & Solar Auxilia ones are different models -

Spoiler:

**chaos0xomega**

Yeah forgot about that. Kinda dumb imo, shouldve been designed with some degree of commonality so they could just manufacture one kit that could be built in two slightly different ways to fulfill the needs of both armies.

**Tavis75**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah forgot about that. Kinda dumb imo, shouldve been designed with some degree of commonality so they could just manufacture one kit that could be built in two slightly different ways to fulfill the needs of both armies.

Yes, it's an odd choice, considering how clever they've generally been with trying to make HH stuff as modular as possible and building multiple vehicles from a few base sprues, it seems odd that for something so basic and generic that they've gone for two different (but broadly similar) designs.

**Matrindur**

Interesting that they come in boxes of two and currently they are three or more per squad if I remember correctly?

**Dryaktylus**

Well, at least the Hyperios variant can be used in Solar Auxilia right now. Can. Could. With the current rules no one would take them, they just suck - with every weapon option. I mean I also use suboptimal or not-that-good units because I like the models. These are just, well, Tarantulas (with a plain design) and in most games just wasted points (and money). So either they get better rules or GW can keep them lying on the shelf.

Matrindur wrote:
Interesting that they come in boxes of two and currently they are three or more per squad if I remember correctly?

3-9 per battery, yes.

**zedmeister**

Tavis75 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah forgot about that. Kinda dumb imo, shouldve been designed with some degree of commonality so they could just manufacture one kit that could be built in two slightly different ways to fulfill the needs of both armies.

Yes, it's an odd choice, considering how clever they've generally been with trying to make HH stuff as modular as possible and building multiple vehicles from a few base sprues, it seems odd that for something so basic and generic that they've gone for two different (but broadly similar) designs.

That's why I'm wondering if the missile launcher part will be its own sprue and we'll see generic whirlwinds and whirlwind hyperios models. Also, with Lascannon and assorted other tarantulas possibly coming, I wonder if they'll just retcon Razorbacks in Heresy?

**Lord Damocles**

Regular weapons sold separately, no doubt...

**Platuan4th**

Dryaktylus wrote:

Matrindur wrote:
Interesting that they come in boxes of two and currently they are three or more per squad if I remember correctly?

3-9 per battery, yes.

Which is probably why they're getting new PDF rules later this year.

**morganfreeman**

Platuan4th wrote:
Dryaktylus wrote:

Matrindur wrote:
Interesting that they come in boxes of two and currently they are three or more per squad if I remember correctly?

3-9 per battery, yes.

Which is probably why they're getting new PDF rules later this year.

Hopefully rules that make them actually usable.

I don't expect (or want) them to be insanely strong, but right now they're awful beyond comprehension.

**MajorWesJanson**

Tarantulas? Huh. I would have expected Rapiers first.

**tauist**

I do hope they will also bring out the Auxilia ones from LI, since those have the classic Tarantula chassis which is same as the resin ones FW sells (or used to sell - are they sold out online by any chance?).

Not really a fan of these ones.. I mainly use the turrets for kitbashing Whirlwinds and razorbacks in LI/Epic

**Snord**

What a strange release. An obscure unit, and a bland looking design - why release this in plastic now?

**Platuan4th**

tauist wrote:
I do hope they will also bring out the Auxilia ones from LI, since those have the classic Tarantula chassis which is same as the resin ones FW sells (or used to sell - are they sold out online by any chance?).

Both of them come close to but don't exactly match a generation of FW Tarantulas. The Marine ones are close to the later FW Marine Tarantulas that used the FW Razorback and Whirlwind Hyperios turrets.

The Auxilia is close to the original FW Tarantulas with matching bodies and longer flanges than the FW one had.

**Racerguy180**

For some reason they look larger than the resin FW ones

**Platuan4th**

The FW ones were already decently sized

**MajorWesJanson**

Maybe a quick cheap AA release before a wave of fliers?

**Sotahullu**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Maybe a quick cheap AA release before a wave of fliers?

Well hopefully that flyer wave includes Land Speeders then I am in.