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 kodos wrote:
Churn and Burn only works if the majority of people accept it despite things being a sidegrade at best.

And as HHs target audience is one should know better, I see it more of a problem when people still act like the old books didn't became worthless the moment 3rd Edition rumours were up but pretend things are different

A 3 year edition cycle sucks for HH but if the majority pretends it is fine because everyone can technically stick to old edition, it won't change

This is the problem, you're contradicting yourself, as is everyone else who acts like they won't get a game.

As you note "the HH target audience should know better", because the HH is chock full of you all saying the same thing. It's the most cantankerous change resistant group GW supply.

Yet despite being a large group of a like minded, you all just shrug it off and give up.

 kodos wrote:
Churn and Burn only works if the majority of people accept it despite things being a sidegrade at best.

And as HHs target audience is one should know better, I see it more of a problem when people still act like the old books didn't became worthless the moment 3rd Edition rumours were up but pretend things are different

A 3 year edition cycle sucks for HH but if the majority pretends it is fine because everyone can technically stick to old edition, it won't change

As I’ve said earlier, and on the assumption not everyone is a sad git like me that spends a lot of time on Dakka, that you’ve not seen it?

We don’t currently know how New Edition this is. I’m kind of expecting a Tidy Up And Tweak, rather than Baby With Bath Water. And I’m going to hold off all judgement until we know a damned sight more about what’s actually happened to the rules.

CragHack wrote:Well, if that's indeed 3rd edition with a new cycle of books on the same release schedule as before - I'm done with HH.
Still hoping it's just a facelift, like all of the Necromunda editions.
Couldn't care less about marines

Yeah, constant edition and codex churn is one of the major reasons I never got back into 40K after I stopped playing in the naughts.

I was hoping these versions of Saturnine Terminators were also going to have the "Gun on Top" thing too - maybe as an upgrade sprue/new variant later on?

Mentlegen324 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
A shame that it seems memelore on "saturnine terminators" seems to have become canon. Incorrect lore having been repeated over and over so much and taken as fact when it never was, that it's now become the lore.

Not incorrect lore.

A reasonable assumption about an undefined bit of lore (that a name with no shape and a shape with no name go together) that turned out to be correct.

What was spread wasn't just that as a theory/speculation. It was repeated as a fact of that armour being Saturnine.

Lighten up, Francis.

All looks quite whack to me, I like the dreadnought plasma gun but that's about all. This turned out to be correct going by that terminator on the front cover

I feel like the odd man out on these forums, as I am actually excited for this new edition... it makes me hopeful for the future of HH.

New editions draw attention to the game and bring in new players. I would happily shell out some cash for new rulebooks if they updated and brought some fresh eyes on my favorite GW game: Adeptus Titanicus.


But until we know more, we can only guess what the new rules/format will be...

And guess what? They might be better.

 kodos wrote:
A 3 year edition cycle sucks for HH but if the majority pretends it is fine because everyone can technically stick to old edition, it won't change

I know this (currently available today, I have a copy of Age of Darkness) is the first edition of the game released by Games Workshop and its based on 7th edition 40K, but how many editions were released by Forge World and were those also based on 7th Edition?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I feel like the odd man out on these forums, as I am actually excited for this new edition... it makes me hopeful for the future of HH.

New editions draw attention to the game and bring in new players. I would happily shell out some cash for new rulebooks if they updated and brought some fresh eyes on my favorite GW game: Adeptus Titanicus.


But until we know more, we can only guess what the new rules/format will be...

And guess what? They might be better.

I'm with you on this. Heresy needs a refresh badly and this should help draw in new players.

Hopefully they fix all the ongoing issues while they have a good chance to. Also, this is an interesting opportunity as it is the 7th Edition 40k rules getting tweaked further, which we didn't see happen when the game moved to 8th. That will be interesting.

The biggest drawback with the accelerated edition churn is how disposable all the books become. I for one aint spending a dime on rules for 30K/40K no more, no siree. There are ways to =REDACTED= if I still need to play a game once in a while. Just keep the models coming.

 mattl wrote:
I know this (currently available today, I have a copy of Age of Darkness) is the first edition of the game released by Games Workshop and its based on 7th edition 40K, but how many editions were released by Forge World and were those also based on 7th Edition?

One edition that ran 2012-2022. It started under 6th, then moved to 7th and got it's own rulebook in 2017 .

Lexicanum - The Horus Heresy Rulebooks and Expansions (List)

 tauist wrote:
The biggest drawback with the accelerated edition churn is how disposable all the books become. I for one aint spending a dime on rules for 30K/40K no more, no siree. There are ways to =REDACTED= if I still need to play a game once in a while. Just keep the models coming.

Even this makes more sense than "I'm completely done with the game/company/hobby". I dont adovacte yarhar-ing but it's a more honest answer.

 Alpharius wrote:
I was hoping these versions of Saturnine Terminators were also going to have the "Gun on Top" thing too - maybe as an upgrade sprue/new variant later on?

The heavy bolter between the shoulder pads was the coolest feature of the original model. Shame it seems to have been dropped.

With what looks like twin linked disintegrators and light plasma mortar options, a heavy bolter is a bit extraneous.

Unit size guesses? 3-6 like 40K style or 3-9 like mechanicum? Probably bulky (3)

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
… Incorrect lore having been repeated over and over so much and taken as fact when it never was, that it's now become the lore.

And yet this is how the Imperium was founded.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

Tamereth wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I was hoping these versions of Saturnine Terminators were also going to have the "Gun on Top" thing too - maybe as an upgrade sprue/new variant later on?

The heavy bolter between the shoulder pads was the coolest feature of the original model. Shame it seems to have been dropped.

With what looks like twin linked disintegrators and light plasma mortar options, a heavy bolter is a bit extraneous.

well since these are being called saturnine suits, which date to the same period of development as the Tartaros suit and Mk.VI armor, it's possible that the other example of the style seen prior to this, the 'prototype terminator armor' developed by Vulcan after the dropsite massacre, which had a dorsal heavy weapon turret, one arm mounted anti-personnel weapon, and a melee weapon on the other arm, will show up as a salamanders specific variant with an upgrade kit.

beast_gts wrote:

 mattl wrote:
I know this (currently available today, I have a copy of Age of Darkness) is the first edition of the game released by Games Workshop and its based on 7th edition 40K, but how many editions were released by Forge World and were those also based on 7th Edition?

One edition that ran 2012-2022. It started under 6th, then moved to 7th and got it's own rulebook in 2017 .

Lexicanum - The Horus Heresy Rulebooks and Expansions (List)

Saw a PDF of the contents of the first book, and I was both saddened and pleased to see this:

It should not take someone DYING for Games Workshop to acknowledge and name their creatives.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We don’t currently know how New Edition this is. I’m kind of expecting a Tidy Up And Tweak, rather than Baby With Bath Water. And I’m going to hold off all judgement until we know a damned sight more about what’s actually happened to the rules.

Valrak has consistently described this as a 2.5 edition rather than 3.0. A tidy-up and some cross-compatibility between editions seems likely.

A refresh of general rules every 3 years is great. Heresy sales completely fell off last year and this is exactly what the game needs to revitalize the community. Plus it's about time the Contemptor dreadnoughts reign of terror comes to an end.

Hopefully the remove the odd bits from the Imperial Knights too. You want to field a Knight? You need to field 2 Armigers... oh and you can't use Moriax Armigers.

You needed 8 Armigers to field a single Lance. If I wanted to play with small Knights, I would've played Chaos 40k.

In another arena, does anyone else wonder if these super heavy Terminators are going to be Salamanders only?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
In another arena, does anyone else wonder if these super heavy Terminators are going to be Salamanders only?

No chance they put Saturnine in a launch box unless they are usable by all legions. Like all niche Marine units, lore reasons will be developed to enable their use by each legion & some will utilize them more heavily.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the last HH roadmap we saw have 2025 down as the year of Tanks?

...correct me if WarCom is wrong, but we're in May and we've only had two tanks, both for the Mechanicum?

 Dysartes wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the last HH roadmap we saw have 2025 down as the year of Tanks?

...correct me if WarCom is wrong, but we're in May and we've only had two tanks, both for the Mechanicum?

It wasn't so much a roadmap - more of a dotted line drawn on a napkin...

I guess there are still 7 months left which could, in theory, be filled with tanks.

 Snord wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the last HH roadmap we saw have 2025 down as the year of Tanks?

...correct me if WarCom is wrong, but we're in May and we've only had two tanks, both for the Mechanicum?

It wasn't so much a roadmap - more of a dotted line drawn on a napkin...

I guess there are still 7 months left which could, in theory, be filled with tanks.

Are we equating the enplacement and the dread as a tank as well, or are we limiting it to specifically boxy shaped things?

I suspect the superheavies are coming soon based on stocking and rumours.

Dudeface wrote:
Are we equating the enplacement and the dread as a tank as well, or are we limiting it to specifically boxy shaped things?

I suspect the superheavies are coming soon based on stocking and rumours.

Heresy tanks have tracks, so no.

I think you're right - you could imagine them wanting to release a sexy superheavy kit soon after the new boxed set, much as they did with the Kratos.

 Snord wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Are we equating the enplacement and the dread as a tank as well, or are we limiting it to specifically boxy shaped things?

I suspect the superheavies are coming soon based on stocking and rumours.

Heresy tanks have tracks, so no.

I think you're right - you could imagine them wanting to release a sexy superheavy kit soon after the new boxed set, much as they did with the Kratos.

The custodes tanks don't have tracks, nor do potential dark mech tanks or mech knights if they make it over to plastic.

Fun that it's a subjective term though.

Yeah I'd put money on the Fellblade chassis transitioning across to plastic. Would love to get a plastic Falchion.

 Tamereth wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I was hoping these versions of Saturnine Terminators were also going to have the "Gun on Top" thing too - maybe as an upgrade sprue/new variant later on?

The heavy bolter between the shoulder pads was the coolest feature of the original model. Shame it seems to have been dropped.

Original model didn't have a heavy bolter.

Dudeface wrote:

 Snord wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the last HH roadmap we saw have 2025 down as the year of Tanks?

...correct me if WarCom is wrong, but we're in May and we've only had two tanks, both for the Mechanicum?

It wasn't so much a roadmap - more of a dotted line drawn on a napkin...

I guess there are still 7 months left which could, in theory, be filled with tanks.

Are we equating the enplacement and the dread as a tank as well, or are we limiting it to specifically boxy shaped things?

I suspect the superheavies are coming soon based on stocking and rumours.

I'd at least restrict "Tanks" to non-walker, non-flyer vehicles.

A new Knight (or the Dark Mech things we've seen in LI) wouldn't count under my criteria, for example, nor would the Arvus.

 Snord wrote:
It wasn't so much a roadmap - more of a dotted line drawn on a napkin...

I guess there are still 7 months left which could, in theory, be filled with tanks.

It's pretty clear that the release schedule has changed (probably multiple times) since that 'roadmap', and whatever was planned back then isn't the timing that actually transpired. With 40k stuff being crammed into the front half of 2025, GW may have decided to delay some HH kits until after the new edition launch. If I had to bet I'd agree that a plastic marine super-heavy chassis will arrive around Aug-Oct time as a headline release.

At the same time it's worth noting that there's still several tank options which exist exclusively to either AoD or LI, but should be released for the other scale. We may see some of those gaps filled this summer too.

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:


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Plus it's about time the Contemptor dreadnoughts reign of terror comes to an end.

Replaced by Saturnine spam no doubt