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 CragHack wrote:
Why? All you need to play Custodes and win games is in one box.

Honestly if custodes got nothing new except turning forgeworld vehicles into plastic, I’d be satisfied, since even if I had the money to splurge on a gravtank they’re always out of stock. Hopefully it being out of stock is because of that, but the pessimist in me is just thinking they’re bad at stocking items.

Billicus wrote:
They can absolutely spin the contents of that box out to an hour, but odds are good they'll show a couple of short teases for upcoming kits too. Would expect it all to be horus heresy though, shoeing in LI stuff would muddy the water

I’m not sure on that.

It’s branded as “Warhammer The Horus Heresy”, rather than Warhammer, The Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness”.

So they’ve gone for the umbrella of the setting.

What are the odds that the Imperial Knight Defender will be allowable in HH?

Or that we'll get a LI/AT version?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
What are the odds that the Imperial Knight Defender will be allowable in HH?

Or that we'll get a LI/AT version?

Low, but not zero.

Oh, yeah, reading the thing on warhammer community it does sound as though there'll at least be some black library or warhammertv stuff shown too.

The "age of darkness" subtitle was for the 2e box set, the equivalent of Leviathan, I wouldn't have said its exclusion means anything personally

The_Pilot wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Why? All you need to play Custodes and win games is in one box.

Honestly if custodes got nothing new except turning forgeworld vehicles into plastic, I’d be satisfied, since even if I had the money to splurge on a gravtank they’re always out of stock. Hopefully it being out of stock is because of that, but the pessimist in me is just thinking they’re bad at stocking items.

Last week I got a Voucher from GW for having placed an order 1 year ago. Of all the things I wanted to get from GW directly(which amounts to Forgeworldstuff that you can't get with 20% off elsewhere) only a single item currently is not out of stock...

I was in same boat earlier this year...everything i wanted was "Temporarily out of stock". I even tried snagging the EC box...operative word, TRIED.

Not a fan of the "Saturnine" models. They all seem big just for the sake of being big.

Waiting for solid information on rules before commenting on the usefulness of this new edition.

Saturnine looks a lot like militarized industrial equipment- bulky, ponderous, heavily plated and armed as weapon platforms. The armor looks like it evolved both up into dreadnought chassis and down into the more agile cataphractii, then the more advanced but lighter Tarvaris and then the cheaper and easier to field/maintain indomitus. The saturnine dread looks like it evolved down into the more compact leviathan, or up into the more refined and agile telemon.

Later, even centuries could be an attempt to fill the role of walking gun platform, but without the ability to build saturnine armor, ended up an exosuit over power armor to make it work

Billicus wrote:
They can absolutely spin the contents of that box out to an hour, but odds are good they'll show a couple of short teases for upcoming kits too. Would expect it all to be horus heresy though, shoeing in LI stuff would muddy the water

Are you thankful the preview is scheduled for UK primetime hours?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Not a fan of the "Saturnine" models. They all seem big just for the sake of being big.

Waiting for solid information on rules before commenting on the usefulness of this new edition.

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I dislike them as well. saves me money, I don't need more models. Hoping the rules are just some clean up.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
What are the odds that the Imperial Knight Defender will be allowable in HH?

Or that we'll get a LI/AT version?

Low, but not zero.

Never tell me the odds.


Any idea, when this new book is due out?

Surely the big Summer Edition slot? Which month were Leviathan, Skaventide?

These days we should expect a release in the last two weeks of June, with pre-orders starting two weeks prior. Provided GW doesn't find an excuse to do things differently.

Saturnine is a nice title, its meaning is more or less grimdark as a state of mind

Kind of like the dreadnought. If it was for 40k I would be all over it, but no, Im not tempted to buy these models.

Would be nice if they could clean up the disposition of special rules so they are all easily found at the same place. I dont play enough to learn them by heart or even if they come from the faction book or the main rules.

 Fayric wrote:

Would be nice if they could clean up the disposition of special rules so they are all easily found at the same place. I dont play enough to learn them by heart or even if they come from the faction book or the main rules.

This is by far the biggest issue of HH

While TOW has the same glut of rules, I think they're at least laid out and indexed properly, so there is hope for some improvement on that front.

Considering GW still can't put the entries for Codex nor Battletomes in alphabetical order or any kind of logical order at all - I don't hold out hope for a sane layout.

They USED to be able to do this - 3rd-ed codex were laid out logically; but GW has had odd mandates like not putting points on the warscrolls; putting rules in tables in other parts of the book; not cross referencing or having an index and ever since they lost the FOC they've never laid out the units in any logical order - for ages now.

It just feels like they don't have an actual editor reviewing the layout and structuring it to make sense. Or the whole thing is developed by different staff and no one staffer is in charge so they all turn in their "sections" of the codex and its put in a rough-random order and that's it.

Many times GW games are hard to learn not because they are complicated but because the rules are scatter shot all over the place.

Even an unwieldy design team doesn't explain absolutely unhinged gak like Neutron Blaster being under "Las weapons" but Lascutter being under "Exotic Weapons"

Or Breacher Charges being alphabetized under "G" in one of the rare sections that is alphabetized because they're grenades (that have no mechanics in common with any other grenade type)

There really is no other way but up on this front (watch them prove me wrong)

not to distract everyone from their favorite hobby of Complaining, but do we have more information on what "Two Sets of Disintegrator Weapons" refers to?

Just guessing here, but it seems a "set" may be a sprue of 5 rifle-sized weapons and 5 heavy weapons, thereby allowing a set of probably 10 Tactical Support w/ disintegrator rifles and 10 Heavy Support w/ disintegrator heavies?

alternatively, from the image, it kinda looks like there's two squads of ten dudes mainly with disintegrator rifles and one disintegrator heavy - which probably explains the "veteran legionary" caption on the fella with the disintegrator heavy. so maybe a single "Set of Disintegrator Weapons' is 8-10 rifles, 1 heavy, 1+ pistols?

At the moment? We can only extrapolate from existing weapon upgrades.

For ranged, we’re the Special Weapons and there flavour of Heavy Weapons. Each offers 10 of multiple weapons, and for the shoulder mounted heavy weapons at least, replacement arms.

I’d assume this will be along similar lines. But, we’ve also the Close Combat Weapon sprue, which offers a more eclectic range.

I would guess a sprue would be 5 special and 5 heavy, a "set" would be 10 and 10. Two s3ts to me indicates 20 + 20.

 Fayric wrote:
Saturnine is a nice title, its meaning is more or less grimdark as a state of mind

Kind of like the dreadnought. If it was for 40k I would be all over it, but no, Im not tempted to buy these models.

Would be nice if they could clean up the disposition of special rules so they are all easily found at the same place. I dont play enough to learn them by heart or even if they come from the faction book or the main rules.

Worse, they're scattered between 2 sections in each book - with no reference as to wich, or page #s... More times been wasted looking for rules than arguing about them.

One of the guys I play with finally just made a giant combined alphabetized list & printed off copies for each of us.

Eeeeeeeven MOAR?

Yup. MOAR!



We’re hearing that Dreadnoughts are going back on square bases! Which makes total sense as they are sort of square anyway. Seems legit. Makes armour facings easier to work out, at least.



We’re hearing rumours of a Blood Bowl-style weather chart! Could lead some some super interesting battlefield interactions tbf. Death Guard – watch out for trench foot.

Of interest there is the claim about Dreadnoughts being on square bases. Which we know from the pic of the Saturnine Dread isn’t true. Which in turns means we can now no longer trust the text stuff.

I'm guessing that's our first look at a disintingrator rifle

Second.



I’m assuming today’s version is the heavy/special version, and Blurry One is the standard? Could be the other way around.

I would say other way around, given the weapon in the new on-sprue pic is held the same way as a bolter/special weapon and the blury pic of the Veteran Legionary I guess is the heavy version as it's held the same as other heavy weapons.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Of interest there is the claim about Dreadnoughts being on square bases. Which we know from the pic of the Saturnine Dread isn’t true. Which in turns means we can now no longer trust the text stuff.

Servo skull is the Mk2 centurion's

I said from the start that all the text is pure gakposting, nothing is real except by accident

From the main blurry pic? The double barrel doesn’t seem to be the standard issue?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Of interest there is the claim about Dreadnoughts being on square bases. Which we know from the pic of the Saturnine Dread isn’t true. Which in turns means we can now no longer trust the text stuff.

No, the box release is just delayed to the end of the year as they must change the base.

Two bizarre things about the disintegrator rifle hands

Knuckle rivets

Wrist cut incompatible with normal heavy/special arms