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Dudeface wrote:
Nobody is wrong for not getting it or even not liking it, but it's a hard sell to say there's intended insult from the marketing campaign.

Of course it's not intended to insult customers, that'd be insane. But after months of Heresy players gnashing teeth over 3rd edition and what it will entail, making fun of those worries is a bit tone deaf. Think back to all the Old World speculation and drama that happened during the radio silence after the initial announcement. How well would it go over if they opened with a joke article that it's going to be 12mm scale on triangle bases and you can get +1 to hit if you set your army on fire*?

I think the humour is on point but it's not a great time for it. Published on April 1st it might have beat "How to Roll Citadel Dice" as the best gakpost

*I've now convinced myself that GW absolutely must do something with "set your old fantasy army on fire"

So anyways, let’s see if we can all be buddies again.

For those buying the boxed set, what are your plans for the MkII?

Currently my army is all MkVI for the Power Armour. But I don’t have any Veteran or other unusual units.

Being an older Mk, I think it’ll suit Veterans quite nicely. I should also be able to kit bash myself some Interemptors. Not sure exactly how just yet, but I reckon Legion Icon shoulder pads, maybe the MkVI Dark Angel heads, and slightly tarted up Plasma Guns.

Would certainly beat arsing around with cursed resin.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So anyways, let’s see if we can all be buddies again.

For those buying the boxed set, what are your plans for the MkII?

Currently my army is all MkVI for the Power Armour. But I don’t have any Veteran or other unusual units.

Being an older Mk, I think it’ll suit Veterans quite nicely. I should also be able to kit bash myself some Interemptors. Not sure exactly how just yet, but I reckon Legion Icon shoulder pads, maybe the MkVI Dark Angel heads, and slightly tarted up Plasma Guns.

Would certainly beat arsing around with cursed resin.

I'm a big fan of MK.II for recon marines, I think I will start there. I have an extra Land Raider Proteus as well.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Nobody is wrong for not getting it or even not liking it, but it's a hard sell to say there's intended insult from the marketing campaign.

Of course it's not intended to insult customers, that'd be insane. But after months of Heresy players gnashing teeth over 3rd edition and what it will entail, making fun of those worries is a bit tone deaf.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this, in my eyes it's not GW that needed to have a look in the mirror if emotions are that high.

Yes Mk2 is optimal for Recon and Seekers (for eras, theatres and Legions with no access to Mk6)

Getting the box for sure, even if the book is bad. Always loved Saturnine and these are a good rendition, and the Dread is nice too.

Where they fit will depend on the profile. They are prooobably pretty redundant as a unit, I feel like all battlefield roles are well covered. But they can swap in for some firebase type unit like Rapiers or Predator squadrons or Grave Wardens or Boxnauts that are probably being squatted along with all other Legends. I'll be interested to see how vulnerable they are to dying to their own plasma.

I think that it has become a bit "tone deaf" at times lately - shout out to Lord BF!

MKII will probably go into my 'in planning' IW force, but you know I'm here mainly for the sweet, sweet Saturnine Terminators!

One fair complaint I've seen from the doom & gloom youtubers is that the Saturnine Praetor is probably bigger than a primarch, and that's silly.

From what we've seen so far scale-wise (from what we can tell), I don't think that's the case?

EDIT:

I just took another look - the Saturnine boys are pretty big!

24 hour warning!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
One fair complaint I've seen from the doom & gloom youtubers is that the Saturnine Praetor is probably bigger than a primarch, and that's silly.

The silly part is the primarchs being so big to begin with.

For me:

Mk 6 = Raven Guard and Alpha Legion
Mk 3 = Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists, Death Guard

Mk2 shall be Dark Angels, White Scars, and World Eaters.

I have spreadsheets planning all this out

lord_blackfang wrote:Yea more flexibility just leads to more derangement

My wild guess, with no basis in any rumours:
3rd is a tweak edition, like 40k 3rd-4th-5th
Faction books stay valid, but GW starts a Legion splatbook (arcane journal) treadmill, when your book comes out you still need Astartes/Hereticus for vanilla units but your legion pages get replaced by the journal.
We all lose our minds because journal legions are two tiers above nonjournal legions and the last legion doesn't even get a book before 4th edition.

I hate how likely you are to be correct in that.

Ill be honest, i kind of like the arcane journal format, wouldnt mind it.

chaos0xomega wrote:
For me:

Mk 6 = Raven Guard and Alpha Legion
Mk 3 = Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists, Death Guard

Mk2 shall be Dark Angels, White Scars, and World Eaters.

I have spreadsheets planning all this out

MkII iron warriors
MkIII Salamanders
MkIV ultramarines, Sons of Horus, Emperors Children

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

For those buying the boxed set, what are your plans for the MkII?

No real plans. My IWs already have all the PA infantry I need. So the spues will sit in on the shelf until I have a 30k/40k idea they'd be good for.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So anyways, let’s see if we can all be buddies again.

For those buying the boxed set, what are your plans for the MkII?

Currently my army is all MkVI for the Power Armour. But I don’t have any Veteran or other unusual units.

Being an older Mk, I think it’ll suit Veterans quite nicely. I should also be able to kit bash myself some Interemptors. Not sure exactly how just yet, but I reckon Legion Icon shoulder pads, maybe the MkVI Dark Angel heads, and slightly tarted up Plasma Guns.

Would certainly beat arsing around with cursed resin.

2 boxes, so 80 Mk II:
20 Space Wolf Despoilers
10 Space Wolf Tactical
20 Iron Hands Tactical
10 Iron Hands Veterans
10 Iron Hands Disentigrators
10 Ultramarines Disintegrators

I've really got it in my head that the Saturnine box will look good as the start of an early Crusade Blood Angels force as something different from working on my mid-late Heresy Sons of Horus using the 2E kits. Especially as it seems like the lore around the Saturnine suits is that they're early and advanced tech from Terra, perfect for an early BA force conquering the Solar System.

Red might be one of the better colours for them in general!

Dark Angels too - those suits in black with some DA heraldry, red and some checkerboards should be rather smart looking too...

 Alpharius wrote:
Dark Angels too - those suits in black with some DA heraldry, red and some checkerboards should be rather smart looking too...

That's my plan. I box, with all the Saturnine figures going to Dark Angels. The Vets will be split between loyalist Emperor's Children and Space Wolves.

10 and a half hours to go.

I do hope we get more than just “here is box and stuff info about new toy rules”. Wouldn’t mind a preview of forthcoming kits.

 Sacredroach wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Dark Angels too - those suits in black with some DA heraldry, red and some checkerboards should be rather smart looking too...

That's my plan. I box, with all the Saturnine figures going to Dark Angels. The Vets will be split between loyalist Emperor's Children and Space Wolves.

I was also thinking that the Saturnine models would look very good in DA livery. Their arcane appearance also sits well with the DA fluff. I'm still not sold on having any, but will likely get the boxed set when it comes out.

As for the Mk II models, I've never really understood why they are so popular. I'll probably mix them in with the Mk III and Mk VI models, as I like that look in Heresy units, but I would have 100% preferred Mk V.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
I've really got it in my head that the Saturnine box will look good as the start of an early Crusade Blood Angels force as something different from working on my mid-late Heresy Sons of Horus using the 2E kits. Especially as it seems like the lore around the Saturnine suits is that they're early and advanced tech from Terra, perfect for an early BA force conquering the Solar System.

the catch with the current lore though is that when the term Saturnine armor has showed up in the Horus Heresy rulebooks/suppliments, it's been as something developed and deployed around the same time as the Mk6 armor. some of the last armors to be introduced before or during the heresy. so unless GW is changing things (always possible), Saturnine armor wouldn't have appeared in an early crusade force. it would probably be rare even in a heresy era force.

No matter what happens...I think I might end up getting the Legion Praetor with the bloody big axe, as a painting project. Somehow he wouldn't look out of place in a Doom game...

Ideal outcome for today is the Saturnine box properly introduced and something AT related. If it is a new edition then core rules for small skirmish-to-patrol level games is what the Heresy is lacking.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
10 and a half hours to go.

I do hope we get more than just “here is box and stuff info about new toy rules”. Wouldn’t mind a preview of forthcoming kits.

Well...

We’ll be lifting the lid on some incredible upcoming releases and getting deep into the lore of the Age of Darkness.

Oh sweet!

That’ll learn me to read the primary literature 😂

The hearsay website honestly has been incredibly British sarcasm and fantastic to read for myself. Its humour over the usual crazy theories in a funny sarcastic way. It won't rub everyone the right way but also *you* are not being singularly targeted, rather the silly crack pot theories and dramatisim.

Im hyped for the new box and everything going forward, especially if they do add more models we have rules but no physical thing for, like Sisters of Silence bikers and 28mm Artalax.

The one downside to all this is that there's a 90% chance that all Legends are getting squatted wholesale, judging from general Legends policy lately (one edition in Legends and then gone).

Is there much in the way of Legends for Heresy?

Only thing that immediately jumps to mind, because I used to own one, is the Ordinatus Sagittar.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is there much in the way of Legends for Heresy?

Only thing that immediately jumps to mind, because I used to own one, is the Ordinatus Sagittar.

there's a legacy pdf that is quite large, mad doc.