Horus Heresy / 30K N&R

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**beast_gts**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
I wonder if the titans will be lumped into the knight book or mechanicum one

Sure they said Knight.

**chaos0xomega**

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/10-thh_more-volkite-hjm06rfdio.jpg

Looks like the volkite tease is actually cataphractii or another mk2 kit

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
I wonder if the titans will be lumped into the knight book or mechanicum one

Knights. Subtitle on the book says Knights and Titans.

Was well wee onscreen, but it’s there

**chaos0xomega**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
I wonder if the titans will be lumped into the knight book or mechanicum one

Prstty sure the subtitle for the questoris book said knights and titans

**lord_blackfang**

zedmeister wrote:
Plastic Glaive top left

Spoiler:

To speak nothing of the Sabre?

**zedmeister**

Good spot! I had mistaken it for a Sicaran Venator

**chaos0xomega**

zedmeister wrote:
Plastic Glaive top left

Nice catch (assuming its not resin upgrade), but also i think this may confirm hh keeps the legacy drop pod? Also a sabre in front left

**skrulnik**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Well, poop

I like pretty much all of the models

The breacher shield is a weird mix of Mk3 and Mk5, they probably leaned too hard into "make one design to go with all armour marks"

Luckily Mk2 get the correct jump packs!

The volkite pistol teaser was plastic Mk4

Still no whiff of Fast Attack in any shape or form but we get the Baneblade with all the detail sanded off that everybody wanted

The rules I am extremely negative about, to the surprise of no one

A decently competent ruleset that just needed a balance patch and better layout gets thrown out baby with the bathwater style, as GW always does nowadays, and rewritten from scratch with an all new set of beginner blunders, because 3 years of playtesting is rendered obsolete by the scope of changes.

4 mental stats in a mass battle game is insane. I can already see Intelligence being used in exactly one situation, techmarine repairs. Maaaybe avoiding Gets Hot? But we're burdened with keeping track of the stat for no reason on every single model that will never use it.

The tactical statuses might be good if they don't amount to just 4 barely distinct types of pinning that are just pointless mental load.

Changing the stat acronyms sounds like just pure malice to bully veteran players who are in HH specifically to avoid change. But clearly the game is no longer for them, we're on the 3 year e-sport treadmill now.

And of course we're replacing the entire library of 50€ books that lasted 3 years or less, with the promise of adding Arcane Journals on top down the line.

And I am 100% certain Legends are gone, ain't nobody at GW rewriting 300 pages of statlines for free when the changes are so massive.

I'm on board with everything you said regarding the rules.
I guess I'll hold onto my books and keep the Legends files handy to use any new models.

**Jack Flask**

Dryaktylus wrote:
Jack Flask wrote:
Nobody is excited for what is almost certainly Dark Mech?

Spoiler:

Could be a loyal resistance fighter from the Skitarii legions as well. Doesn't look especially Dark Mechanicum to me.

I'm open to being wrong, but there aren't any (non-Titan Guard) Skitarii in 30k currently and the bayonet doesn't looks more brutal than the ones on the Tech Thralls.

Plus this models is painted in the same colors as the LI Dark Mech walkers.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Hold on peeps. That may be an all photo.

Regard the Fellblade, and specifically its Demolisher Cannon.

Plastic one, just revealed, lacks the ball joint thing.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, and hopefully you’re right on both counts.

But we’ve at least one old model there.

**SamusDrake**

Lathe Biosas wrote:
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

A Book for Knights? Hopefully they won't feel like they were tacked on and will be better integrated into the game.

(Now, if they would let me use my 40k Knights in 30k without the 2 for 1 Armiger tax.)

Not because I love Armigers, but I was behind the 2-for-1 of HH'22, as it was sensible for 28mm wargaming. But they could ease it up with 1-for-1, at least for larger games.

**Nevelon**

I might get some breachers, just to build. I never got an army up and running for the current edition, and the odds of it happening in the next 3 years are not great either. I like the concept, but think it’s going to be a slow burn background project. And I’m not buying new rulebooks for that.

Like the superheavy, and as my goal is a mechanized list, might eventually happen.

Friendly reminder for those planning to stick with the old edition to download everything from the website before it gets replaced with the new edition.

**stahly**

chaos0xomega wrote:
zedmeister wrote:
Plastic Glaive top left

Nice catch (assuming its not resin upgrade), but also i think this may confirm hh keeps the legacy drop pod? Also a sabre in front left

Both the Fellblade and the Fellglaive in this picture are the old resin versions. The plastic version has a different front and also round doors on the side skirts. But with a plastic Fellblade around the corner, the Glaive can't be far away. It would just require a different turret sprue.

**zedmeister**

Ah, yeah, and they don't have the round doors. Though, the Glaive and Falchion can't be that far behind

**lord_blackfang**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/b3ladnma/saturnine-the-top-five-rules-changes-for-the-new-edition/

Sounds like 6th edition soup list building tbh

With maybe 7th "Detachment" bonuses

**JWBS**

Tweaks are a sidegrade imo, overall gj.

**chaos0xomega**

Im definitely planning to retain all the rules for the current edition, just in case.

**lord_blackfang**

It's wild that the one-headed Aquila one from Horus Hearsay came true

**StudentOfEtherium**

cautiously optimistic about all of this. the choice towards more complexity, not less, has me thinking that their heart is in the right place. also they've already confirmed that legends will still be around, not just for models but for factions (ie, militia and demons), which says to me they're committed to maintaining the existing units. if anything in heresy could be cut, it would be the demons PDF

**lord_blackfang**

OH the image here is bigger. It's not mk4, it's new Cataphractii

**FlubDugger**

lord_blackfang wrote:
zedmeister wrote:
Plastic Glaive top left

Spoiler:

To speak nothing of the Sabre?

Is there anything about the Sabre that makes you say it's definitely plastic? Looks like the current resin one to me

**1984Phantom**

I'm sorry, but I've to remark the true original mk2 crusade armour has the helmet bolted down with the torso.

**Dudeface**

I'm not sure a game of this size requires skirmish level stats and the like. All wind is out of my sails despite the amazing minis, I dont fancy game getting bogged down in 4 hours turn 2/3 showdowns (ymmv).

**lord_blackfang**

What’s more, there will be a range of Legacy PDFs coming out over the next few months, allowing players to deploy classic miniatures and factions from their collections.

Very happy to be wrong there

**Crimson**

So I am not well-versed in HH tech, but with all these new disintegrator weapons, I'm a bit confused... I thought volkite already was some of disintegration ray, no?

**tauist**

Not all that enthusiastic seeing I spent close to 200€ on 10 resin jump packs.. just for them to re-release em in plastic for MKII Assault Squad!

Plenty of surprises with this one though. The new rules changes could turn out interesting, with supression, more nuanced psychology rules and that. I do like HH rules are veering off from the main 40K rules even more than before, makes the games feel more distinct from one another. I never played HH 1 nor 2, the new rules might tempt me to start.. if they dont end up a mess.

The fact that 5 libers are coming out on launch day feels good to me. Less chance of a power creep messing with the edition methinks.

Seeing the models better made me readjust my opinions on them. I do like the base MKII models, I think they look even better than the new MKIII. I also really like the Saturnine Praetor, a surprisingly brilliant kit considering I dont fancy the regular Saturnine models nor the dread..

That Whilrwind sneak peek made me chuckle a lil. It looks exactly like my LItbashed Whirlwinds I made from Predator, Rhino and Tarantula bitz

I also liked how they showed the sprues and gave us scale comparison right there in the reveal show. They should do that stuff for all their reveal shows going forward.

I'm still left wondering when we'll see plastic Fast Attack vehicles and plastic MKV. But at least there will be an unlimited supply of old style Jump Packs going forward (which will presumably also fit all the existing marks? Assuming the contact point on the back will be the standard one..)

**lord_blackfang**

Dudeface wrote:
I'm not sure a game of this size requires skirmish level stats and the like. All wind is out of my sails despite the amazing minis, I dont fancy game getting bogged down in 4 hours turn 2/3 showdowns (ymmv).

Gert, Dudeface and I agree on something, best call the president to open the bomb shelters.

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Crimson wrote:
So I am not well-versed in HH tech, but with all these new disintegrator weapons, I'm a bit confused... I thought volkite already was some of disintegration ray, no?

Lorewise yes but rules wise volkite is just a glorified stubber, high rate of fire gak AP. Disintegrators in HH 2.0 are basically what Plasma used to be, and actual Plasma was heavily nerfed.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
We're also clearly headed down the 40k road of every new model coming with bigger guns than the last and units being erased instantly... after one edition of respite, all-AP2 squads are back with Disintegrator spam, Saturnines have 2 heavy weapons each, and there's plastic superheavies.

**tauist**

I think the reintroduction of Personal Characteristics from 1st edition 40K could in fact reduce the amount of special snowflake rules required for certain interactions.. assuming they have been designed properly. But we shall see soon enough

**lord_blackfang**

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**ArcaneHorror**

Has the trailer been posted here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bZW7ANLaA0