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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
How about you actually release the PDF since its idk, A FREE PDF? So people can stop speculating for once in the history of time remembered and see if this fixes much of anything at all. All these units were expected to be in this PDF, none of them surprise me. And there's still multiple missing special characters.

The core issue of HH 3.0 is missing wargear options. We need to see what these additional wargear options are. Like now.

They are releasing it at the same time as the edition.

 cole1114 wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
How about you actually release the PDF since its idk, A FREE PDF? So people can stop speculating for once in the history of time remembered and see if this fixes much of anything at all. All these units were expected to be in this PDF, none of them surprise me. And there's still multiple missing special characters.

The core issue of HH 3.0 is missing wargear options. We need to see what these additional wargear options are. Like now.

They are releasing it at the same time as the edition.

Yup I'm aware, but if this is meant to quell the angered masses just release it now, it costs you nothing to do so its a free pdf. Let your community actually have all the info for once so we can actually gauge what this fixes instead of being potentially gaslit.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
How about you actually release the PDF since its idk, A FREE PDF? So people can stop speculating for once in the history of time remembered and see if this fixes much of anything at all. All these units were expected to be in this PDF, none of them surprise me. And there's still multiple missing special characters.

The core issue of HH 3.0 is missing wargear options. We need to see what these additional wargear options are. Like now.

They are releasing it at the same time as the edition.

Yup I'm aware, but if this is meant to quell the angered masses just release it now, it costs you nothing to do so its a free pdf. Let your community actually have all the info for once so we can actually gauge what this fixes instead of being potentially gaslit.

The masses can't be 100% fully angry yet as the books aren't out yet.

 Overread wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
How about you actually release the PDF since its idk, A FREE PDF? So people can stop speculating for once in the history of time remembered and see if this fixes much of anything at all. All these units were expected to be in this PDF, none of them surprise me. And there's still multiple missing special characters.

The core issue of HH 3.0 is missing wargear options. We need to see what these additional wargear options are. Like now.

They are releasing it at the same time as the edition.

Yup I'm aware, but if this is meant to quell the angered masses just release it now, it costs you nothing to do so its a free pdf. Let your community actually have all the info for once so we can actually gauge what this fixes instead of being potentially gaslit.

The masses can't be 100% fully angry yet as the books aren't out yet.

How much longer must we seethe with 98% anger before we can see the actual books?

98% will have to do until the 26th

 Altruizine wrote:
Man, I never realized how awful and stupid-looking some of the stuff made for Heresy is.

Like that picture in today's article of the marines dual-wielding bolt pistols, with the one in the centre wielding something out of Powerwash Simulator... shocking to see. As bad as the t-shirt cannon fellas.

The John Woo-style looks a bit awkward, but the rest is fine. Looks like you like those Primaris guys more than I do if you think they're the same level.

 Fayric wrote:

Honest question, do many of you have a core army you keep playing over the years without updating the models or circulate in new units that match the meta?

Do you mean specifically for HH? Or games in general?

For HH?
Yes.
I built the bulk of my SM stuff over a 6-9 month period after HH.2 came out. The most recent additions were a pair of Contemptors back last Nov.
All together I currently have close to 5k worth of stuff & only use around 2500 pts at a time. I didn't build any of this based on any meta, just units I like. I rotate playing with stuff based mostly on daily whim.

I've also built a Knight force this past year. Based solely upon thinking that the Lancer & Castigator looked cool. Ok, so there's the core, now to add stuff to make it work....

For other (GW) games?
Some armies are fairly static, others are awash in options.
a few 40k examples:
SW - this is my oldest 40k army. It hasn't changed since 2e. Just some cosmetic bitz & then plastic drop pods in 8th (replacing my old armorcast versions). Still fighting here in 10e.
Drukarhi - I built this force in 9e. I was quite happy using only 1 Archon, 1 Venom, 9 Talos, 9 Cronos. 10e screwed that up with pts drops & limiting my Talos/Cronos to only 2 per squad. So I had to add almost 1k pts
Imperial Guard & Necrons - two of my favorite forces in all of 40k. There's almost no combo I can't field. What I bring to a game can vary wildly.

I do not build concerning the meta. I build & field armies that please me.

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
So how many people would have updated their tartaros for new tartaros anyway, just like you updated your armies with new MKVI armour at HH2, and was about to get new MKII and saturnine for HH3.

Honest question, do many of you have a core army you keep playing over the years without updating the models or circulate in new units that match the meta?

I know this is a wild thought to some of our newer compatriots, but many of us are still playing entire games from decades ago nevermind updating armies to be "on meta". Personally I make armies based on some kind of hook that catches my attention - an idea for a conversion, a fluff blurb that pops into my head, whatever it is - which I expand in a way that feels...intentional. Then I make the army that matches that idea. Then the army is made. When I want a different experience, I make a different army, or pull out an old one that offers that experience in whatever context. The idea of just endlessly buying New Stuff for a single army and rotating things in and out based on whatever the tournament kids are spamming that month feels totally alien to how I hobby, it sounds more like the experience of a videogame to me and if I wanted that I'd just play a videogame.

Sounds great. Personally I make use of both old and new stuff. I really like new sculpts, and enjoy building and painting more than playing games, so lots of old stuff just get put away in a box. That said, I got 30 "old" plastic MKIII that i originally had as grey hunters for 40k, and started using as Grey Stalkers when I started 30k wolves as well (also made good use of all my beloved converted heroes I had made over the years and that suddenly didnt fit in 40K) Dont plan on updating for new MK III anytime soon.
I got some really old plastic monopose high elves I would absolutely not bother to bring out, but the metal heroes, and even the metal swordmasters is still good to go. The IoB griffon is one of my favourite models ever and even surpass my nostalgia for Eltharion.

Just had a few games of necromunda 95 rules with my original Ratskins. They got it right the first time!

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
How about you actually release the PDF since its idk, A FREE PDF? So people can stop speculating for once in the history of time remembered and see if this fixes much of anything at all. All these units were expected to be in this PDF, none of them surprise me. And there's still multiple missing special characters.

The core issue of HH 3.0 is missing wargear options. We need to see what these additional wargear options are. Like now.

They are releasing it at the same time as the edition.

Yup I'm aware, but if this is meant to quell the angered masses just release it now, it costs you nothing to do so its a free pdf. Let your community actually have all the info for once so we can actually gauge what this fixes instead of being potentially gaslit.

The masses can't be 100% fully angry yet as the books aren't out yet.

How much longer must we seethe with 98% anger before we can see the actual books?

I wouldn’t worry.

This poster hasn’t contributed to the Heresy sub-forum for many years.

One might think they’re only here to……..ferment grapes.

Well in the 3 years of HH2 I lovingly converted and painted 3000 pts, and played about 5 games of it (I play a lot of systems)

Hope to continue at about the same rate.

 Fayric wrote:
So how many people would have updated their tartaros for new tartaros anyway, just like you updated your armies with new MKVI armour at HH2, and was about to get new MKII and saturnine for HH3.

Honest question, do many of you have a core army you keep playing over the years without updating the models or circulate in new units that match the meta?

...why wouldn't I? I've been painting the fethers for years, after all. I still have about 15 old metal marines of the 2nd edition era original Marks II to V

And the meta can go take a hike, I'll field what I like.

Given this:

Hopefully this article will reassure you that those Tartaros Terminators with power fists, Destroyers with jump packs and lovingly converted White Scars Champions on bikes won’t be resigned to a life on the shelf.

...is there any indication as to why Tartaros Terminators can't take powerfists, an option in their kit?

I've had it explained to me on another thread, but I still can't wrap my brain around the different marks of armour being needed for your armies.... unless you are basing your forces around a single battle/campaign.

 Alpharius wrote:
Given this:

Hopefully this article will reassure you that those Tartaros Terminators with power fists, Destroyers with jump packs and lovingly converted White Scars Champions on bikes won’t be resigned to a life on the shelf.

...is there any indication as to why Tartaros Terminators can't take powerfists, an option in their kit?

They'll get a new kit. Which doesn't contain fists. Because churn.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Wonder if the Dominus will magically get remembered as part of the Knight arsenal for 30k.


"Hey, Magos Johnny, why aren't we using all the Knights we've had on Mars to go fight Horus and his Dark Mechanicum cronies?"

"Whoops, they were all destroyed offscreen and it will take us a long time to make new ones."

To be fair, the whole Heresy only took about a decade...

What the is an Atrementar "Flay Clade"? And does "additional Legion armoury options" mean that Legion specific units get back lost options like lightning claws for Night Raptors (which make sense for the unit, unlike Thunderhammers, which don't)?

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Given this:

Hopefully this article will reassure you that those Tartaros Terminators with power fists, Destroyers with jump packs and lovingly converted White Scars Champions on bikes won’t be resigned to a life on the shelf.

...is there any indication as to why Tartaros Terminators can't take powerfists, an option in their kit?

They'll get a new kit. Which doesn't contain fists. Because churn.

I don't want to say it "makes sense" but...OK, I guess?

Weird that Tartaros won't be able to take power fists in the near future of the distant past set in the far future though.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
What the is an Atrementar "Flay Clade"? And does "additional Legion armoury options" mean that Legion specific units get back lost options like lightning claws for Night Raptors (which make sense for the unit, unlike Thunderhammers, which don't)?

The Atrementar run a special shop where Night Lords can spend their quarters on games of chance revolving around skinning captives.

You know, the Flaycade

 ScarletRose wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
What the is an Atrementar "Flay Clade"? And does "additional Legion armoury options" mean that Legion specific units get back lost options like lightning claws for Night Raptors (which make sense for the unit, unlike Thunderhammers, which don't)?

The Atrementar run a special shop where Night Lords can spend their quarters on games of chance revolving around skinning captives.

You know, the Flaycade

Okay, that's good.

I hope they're paying whoever is frantically writing all these missing units into the pdf as we speak well.