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Yeah, everyone who saw the movie seems to have enjoyed it. The people posting this stuff are not here because they saw the movie—they didn’t—but because they want to derail the conversation to make it seem like the audience didn’t enjoy the movie. Don’t fall for the ruse.

Well said Bob.

Do not feed the trolls.

I'm still laughing at all the potato jokes long after watching the movie.

That's a sign of a fun movie.

StraightSilver wrote:
I'm still laughing at all the potato jokes long after watching the movie.

That's a sign of a fun movie.

That's a bit of product placement...

 Vulcan wrote:
Okay, that's a valid point. If the movie is entertaining enough, things like that can be overlooked. After all, most of us managed to watch Summer Glau go full action heroine in Serenity without complaint.

I didn't.

 Just Tony wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
Okay, that's a valid point. If the movie is entertaining enough, things like that can be overlooked. After all, most of us managed to watch Summer Glau go full action heroine in Serenity without complaint.

I didn't.

I found it disappointing that her 'superhuman abilities' turned out to be just Kung Fu expertise. Maybe conclusion of that plotline would have been more interesting if the series had ran its course, we'll never know.

Backfire wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
Okay, that's a valid point. If the movie is entertaining enough, things like that can be overlooked. After all, most of us managed to watch Summer Glau go full action heroine in Serenity without complaint.

I didn't.

I found it disappointing that her 'superhuman abilities' turned out to be just Kung Fu expertise. Maybe conclusion of that plotline would have been more interesting if the series had ran its course, we'll never know.

I mean there was that and her mind tricks too and in the series we saw her memorise the position of several people and then shoot them in one quick action. The main issue is trying to compress what was likely several seasons into 1 film. You just cannot in any way get the same level of depth and impact in the film over the series. So yeah we got a couple of fight sequences because they are brutal, showy and quicker than long drawn out mind reading other other scenes that could be built upon.

I'd also wager that behind the scenes the action sequences would have become more common in the series as it went forward which if I recall right, was partly why Summer was hired in the first place. So there was probably a desire to have a fight sequence because it was something that was going to be part of Firefly that just never got to happen

Yeah, she was quite explicitly declared a mind reader in several instances, so it’s not Just being good at fighting.

The movie was bad because it lacked the writers room of the show. Joss Whedon left to his own divices makes shallow characters who do big actiony things because thats all he thinks is cool. It's the behind the scenes guys who made Firefly what it was.

River gets big action fights in the movie because to Joss a "strong female character" is a female character with super powers. Not a female character with a strong character.

If we’re getting into this, I’d put MR way, way above Summer Glau in the department of convincing badassery.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
If we’re getting into this, I’d put MR way, way above Summer Glau in the department of convincing badassery.

MR?

Michelle Rodriguez.

Autocorrect thinks I’m typing her name wrong, so I just abbreviate it to avoid the headache.

 Just Tony wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
Okay, that's a valid point. If the movie is entertaining enough, things like that can be overlooked. After all, most of us managed to watch Summer Glau go full action heroine in Serenity without complaint.

I didn't.

Thus my use of the word 'most' instead of 'all'.

There is always someone who didn't like something, not matter how well loved that something might have been at large.

 Lance845 wrote:
The movie was bad because it lacked the writers room of the show. Joss Whedon left to his own divices makes shallow characters who do big actiony things because thats all he thinks is cool. It's the behind the scenes guys who made Firefly what it was.

River gets big action fights in the movie because to Joss a "strong female character" is a female character with super powers. Not a female character with a strong character.

I think this is nonsense. It's true Joss maybe tapped "hot chick with mad kickboxing skilz" well bit too often, but no shortage of strong female characters in Buffyverse or Firefly who aren't superpowered - Joyce, Cordelia, Fred, Zoe, Inara...I doubt all of them were cooked up by other writers.

Backfire wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
The movie was bad because it lacked the writers room of the show. Joss Whedon left to his own divices makes shallow characters who do big actiony things because thats all he thinks is cool. It's the behind the scenes guys who made Firefly what it was.

River gets big action fights in the movie because to Joss a "strong female character" is a female character with super powers. Not a female character with a strong character.

I think this is nonsense. It's true Joss maybe tapped "hot chick with mad kickboxing skilz" well bit too often, but no shortage of strong female characters in Buffyverse or Firefly who aren't superpowered - Joyce, Cordelia, Fred, Zoe, Inara...I doubt all of them were cooked up by other writers.

You should watch all of Joss's movies where he was writer director inuding the original buffy. Further, you should look at his laundry list of bs hes done to the female cast of his projects. 100% it's the writers room on his shows that makes things better.

The comics also let Joss double down on his bad writing

 Lance845 wrote:

Backfire wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
The movie was bad because it lacked the writers room of the show. Joss Whedon left to his own divices makes shallow characters who do big actiony things because thats all he thinks is cool. It's the behind the scenes guys who made Firefly what it was.

River gets big action fights in the movie because to Joss a "strong female character" is a female character with super powers. Not a female character with a strong character.

I think this is nonsense. It's true Joss maybe tapped "hot chick with mad kickboxing skilz" well bit too often, but no shortage of strong female characters in Buffyverse or Firefly who aren't superpowered - Joyce, Cordelia, Fred, Zoe, Inara...I doubt all of them were cooked up by other writers.

You should watch all of Joss's movies where he was writer director inuding the original buffy. Further, you should look at his laundry list of bs hes done to the female cast of his projects. 100% it's the writers room on his shows that makes things better.

I have seen nearly all his movies, what about them? Movies have lots of money in them, so more people want their say and change the visions to their liking. In the case of original Buffy movie, producers felt that the idea of blonde vampire-slaying girl was silly, so the movie was made to be silly.

As for him abusing his underlings when in position of power, that has nothing to do with his writing abilities. Lots of the people celebrated from their leadership or achievements were (and are) huge donkey-caves.

As far as I can tell from the stuff I’ve read, Joss pretty much fulfils the “bitchy prima-donna director” stereotype. Now that does not make his behaviour acceptable, but the backlash against him does seem a bit disproportionate to me, when compared to other celebrities who have been guilty of actual, terrible crimes.

 Jadenim wrote:
As far as I can tell from the stuff I’ve read, Joss pretty much fulfils the “bitchy prima-donna director” stereotype. Now that does not make his behaviour acceptable, but the backlash against him does seem a bit disproportionate to me, when compared to other celebrities who have been guilty of actual, terrible crimes.

The other staff would not allow the teenage sister of buffy (michelle tractenburg or some gak) alone in a room with joss based on the way he treated other actresses.

StraightSilver wrote:
I'm still laughing at all the potato jokes long after watching the movie.

That's a sign of a fun movie.

I kept laughing too much at the gag with the pally walking away in a straight line lol. There was a lot of good comedic bits in the movie. The questioning undead scene was amazing too.

I loved the questioning of the dead, and the fat dragon. Owlbear was cool too. The rest was simply boring.