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A few questions regarding both tanks:

Proteus Explorer
- Which units may embark on it? A cursory glance didn´t reveal any units at all. Either units ride in a rhino or are eligible to ride in a LR Proteus Carrier such as terminators.
- Is the transport capacity of 8 a printing error? It seems pretty low and prevents a minimum squad of terminators to use it all.

The way the unit has been portrayed it seems to suit only a nostalgic Rogue Trader play-style in which you stick a bunch of galactic misfits from your mini collection in it and go adventuring onto a foreign planet with a focus of forging your narrative which is not bad by the way. Modern wargaming is seemingly a no-no unless I missed a crucial detail in the unit description.


Spartan
- Are tacticals allowed to ride in a LR Spartan? I was planning to put a twenty-man blob in there but after taking a look at the unit entry it seems not possible. Again I might have missed something here.

Transports have a transport capacity and models will take up a certain amount of transport capacity. Bulky(x) means the models take up more transport capacity with X being the number. Anything that can fit in a transport can ride in it unless it has specific rules preventing it. You can put Tacticals in a Spartan but cannot purchase it as a Dedicated Transport for the unit.
Explorators aren't meant to be the transport variant of the Land Raider Proteus but rather the support option like the Razorback is to the Rhino in 40k.

Well if you compare the two a Proteus does have a very different role.

-assault vehicle
-8 troop transport
-less lascannon shots
-not a dedicated transport for anyone I think

+100pts cheaper
+Scout
+can take vox detruptor array and gets an augery web inbuilt
+free dozer blade, yay?

It is more of a durable support vehicle with a little transport and damage output. Maybe use it to get some melta support squads up the field early?

cody.d. wrote:
Well if you compare the two a Proteus does have a very different role.

-assault vehicle
-8 troop transport
-less lascannon shots
-not a dedicated transport for anyone I think

+100pts cheaper
+Scout
+can take vox detruptor array and gets an augery web inbuilt
+free dozer blade, yay?

It is more of a durable support vehicle with a little transport and damage output. Maybe use it to get some melta support squads up the field early?

I feel a bit reluctant of fielding squads which aren´t multiples of 5. Sounds odd but old habits die hard.
However I will buy it anyway out of nostalgia reasons.

With the scout movement, you might be best to put in a tactical squad. Rush to a forward objective and park yourself on top of it. A nice little, reinforced position.

 Mr Nobody wrote:
With the scout movement, you might be best to put in a tactical squad. Rush to a forward objective and park yourself on top of it. A nice little, reinforced position.

I don´t play scenarios with round, acrylic markers to park on.

Transport capacity of 8 is pretty lame considering it's rich heritage as the first Land Raider IRL.

8 is only for the Explorator version though. The Carrier variant has 10, possibly 12.

 Gert wrote:
8 is only for the Explorator version though. The Carrier variant has 10, possibly 12.

Ah ok, that's better.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Mr Nobody wrote:
With the scout movement, you might be best to put in a tactical squad. Rush to a forward objective and park yourself on top of it. A nice little, reinforced position.

I don´t play scenarios with round, acrylic markers to park on.

HH has only kill objectives? No points to control to win?

Explorator has a transport cap of 8, Carrier has a cap of 12. Funnily enough, the pict of the Carrier in the Liber Astartes is illegal, the illustration is showing a Carrier with four lascannons on both sides, even though such a weapon configuration is not legal..?

It's kind of mind boggling how the Spartan has over twice the transport capacity of a Carrier (26!), despite not being twice as large..

Transport cap of 8 on the explorator feels unfair tbh. You can only fit a 5-model unit + HQ inside one, boo..

tneva82 wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Mr Nobody wrote:
With the scout movement, you might be best to put in a tactical squad. Rush to a forward objective and park yourself on top of it. A nice little, reinforced position.

I don´t play scenarios with round, acrylic markers to park on.

HH has only kill objectives? No points to control to win?

It does, I think the mean they use fully modeled objective markers instead of ugly ass mouse pad zones of influence.

 Platuan4th wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Mr Nobody wrote:
With the scout movement, you might be best to put in a tactical squad. Rush to a forward objective and park yourself on top of it. A nice little, reinforced position.

I don´t play scenarios with round, acrylic markers to park on.

HH has only kill objectives? No points to control to win?

It does, I think the mean they use fully modeled objective markers instead of ugly ass mouse pad zones of influence.

Correct. Each scenario tells a story. Whether it´s a terminal which needs to be hacked to gain access to a bunker, supply crates to be retrieved or an installation to be blown apart with explosives. There is even an objectives sprue set from GW on sale which includes a Genestealer head in a jar for Space Hulk missions. Take old war movies as inspiration for your games. Using round markers for objectives is painfully gamey and breaks immersion.

And bingo was his name-o

 Strg Alt wrote:
A few questions regarding both tanks:

Proteus Explorer
- Which units may embark on it? A cursory glance didn´t reveal any units at all. Either units ride in a rhino or are eligible to ride in a LR Proteus Carrier such as terminators.
- Is the transport capacity of 8 a printing error? It seems pretty low and prevents a minimum squad of terminators to use it all.

The way the unit has been portrayed it seems to suit only a nostalgic Rogue Trader play-style in which you stick a bunch of galactic misfits from your mini collection in it and go adventuring onto a foreign planet with a focus of forging your narrative which is not bad by the way. Modern wargaming is seemingly a no-no unless I missed a crucial detail in the unit description.


Spartan
- Are tacticals allowed to ride in a LR Spartan? I was planning to put a twenty-man blob in there but after taking a look at the unit entry it seems not possible. Again I might have missed something here.

1) Any infantry unit can embark on any transport (refer to core book p.211) unless specifically noted otherwise (e.g. the Rhino has the special rule Infantry Transport (Liber Astartes p.121), which says no models with Bulky can embark on it).

2) No, that's there on purpose. The Proteus Explorater is hauling a massive bundle of sensors called the "Explorator augury web"; last edition the augury web was an optional upgrade that reduced the unit's transport capacity, this edition the Proteus datasheet has been split into the Proteus Explorator with the sensor package and the Proteus Carrier without, which has the same 12-model transport capacity as a Phobos. If you're taking a Proteus primarily as a transport you want the Carrier, if you're putting people in the Explorator they're probably just a Techmarine to keep it running in emergencies or a support HQ you want to hide. If it helps think of the Proteus Explorator as a really big Damocles Rhino hiding in the Heavy Support section.

3) You can put any infantry in a Spartan (refer to the Transport sub-type, core book p.211), if you'd like to load it up with Tacticals go right ahead.

I'm gonna try rocking 20 Dragonsbreath Support Tacs assaulting out of a Spartan...

Racerguy180 wrote:
I'm gonna try rocking 20 Dragonsbreath Support Tacs assaulting out of a Spartan...

Let me know how that goes. I've seen 15 of the Dark Angels Plasma Flamers kill 14 Assault Marines and Kurze (he had 3 W left when he charged). It's definitely worth a defensive wall against an assault army.

It's worth remembering that the Interemptors have the advantage of rad grenades. So on overwatch they'll be instant deathing just about any basic infantry. That tends to skew things in their favour when compared to other units on the defense.

I don't think rad grenades work with overwatch, since you have to make a successful charge or be successfully charged for them to take effect

They should work on overwatch.
-Rad grenades trigger on a successful charge (for or against).
-Overwatch occurs after a successful charge is made but before hits are made in assault.

I've been thinking about this some more and am now thinking about making my Land Raider Proteus Carrier from the Spartan kit instead, just leaving out a pair of lascannons should be enough to differentiate it from everyone else's Spartans.

The 4 model increase in transport capacity is much easier to stomach than the doubling+ a Spartan actually gives, if I just look at it from the size/scale angle. The Carrier build of the Land Raider Proteus kit looks wrong to me somehow, this will be a better compromize for me. I don't think I'll need real Spartans in my army anyway.

I've not seen them side by side. But I always assumed the spartans were significantly larger. They're a chunk larger than a regular land raider as well right?

Yeah they're much bigger than the Proteus. It's like a Stormeagle compared to a Stormraven, same base kit but the Eagle is much longer.

Not having both models, it appears that the pieces to extend the treads are only about 1 and 1/16th inches long. The hull appears narrower by a bit (1/4th an inch?) The hull obviously protrudes forward quite a bit more.

Entertainingly, they're both about 1/2 an inch shorter in height than the original Land Raider.


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cody.d. wrote:
I've not seen them side by side. But I always assumed the spartans were significantly larger. They're a chunk larger than a regular land raider as well right?

Spartans are slightly larger than the standard Land Raider. Maybe .6-7 inches wider in the hull, .3" taller, and maybe 1 inch longer in the hull, .5-6" in the tracks.

Guessing on the width a bit because all my Land Raiders have extra armor.