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triplegrim wrote:Game will come out sometime in 2026.

triplegrim wrote:Dunno how that peggyknight ended up on ebay, but I can tell you there is no TOW game coming 2023 or 2024.

And you know this because... ?

 triplegrim wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I've never even heard of Warhammer Renaissance. Going to have to look it up.

HH locally had a surge in popularity and then it declined into occasionally seeing a couple guys play it once every couple weeks. Most of the people that bought in haven't played at all or don't play actively. I expect the same with TOW.

That was the rule with WHFB too, wasnt it? For every 5 guys buying the starter set, maybe 1 actually played more than a handful games in his warhammer career... something like that.

Even fewer actually painted and assembled a 1500 pts army or more, and actually played it. Perhaps as few as 10% of everyone who started up in the hobby, imo. I believe thats why much of the appeal of latter day Mordheim, you can actually get games (done in an hour or two, and assemble a warband in a weel or even less and for a reasonable sum).

That wasn't the case in Central Florida. Even through AOS v1, Fantasy still had 40-50 people per quarter getting together for a tournament. Then we had tournament prep weekends for the Necronomicon and other conventions. Fantasy had less showing up for weekend games, but for scheduled events it was as big or bigger than 40k. It would be tough to learn and get better at the game without playing it somewhat regularly.

Locally I've seen more HH players than AOS, even post-10th. It largely seems to be an anecdotal thing depending on your area.

by now it is kind of strange that GW did not cover any of the leaked sprues, neither FEC for AoS nor the Pegasus for TOW

usually we get something to cover such leaks yet either this did not stir up enough people online or there is nothing soon to come

 kodos wrote:
by now it is kind of strange that GW did not cover any of the leaked sprues, neither FEC for AoS nor the Pegasus for TOW

usually we get something to cover such leaks yet either this did not stir up enough people online or there is nothing soon to come

Not really that surprising, both should still take a while until the normal reveal date let alone the release date so it would probably do more "damage" to show them now.
If it was only a month early GW would have probably made an article but for a few months its likely better to just stay quiet

 Darnok wrote:

triplegrim wrote:Game will come out sometime in 2026.

triplegrim wrote:Dunno how that peggyknight ended up on ebay, but I can tell you there is no TOW game coming 2023 or 2024.

And you know this because... ?

Basing it on the 2 new models we've seen so far, and gws lack of rules and vaporware style rumor releases. Seems like a game that'll be ready in a few years from now.


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 Matrindur wrote:

 kodos wrote:
by now it is kind of strange that GW did not cover any of the leaked sprues, neither FEC for AoS nor the Pegasus for TOW

usually we get something to cover such leaks yet either this did not stir up enough people online or there is nothing soon to come

Not really that surprising, both should still take a while until the normal reveal date let alone the release date so it would probably do more "damage" to show them now.
If it was only a month early GW would have probably made an article but for a few months its likely better to just stay quiet

News release at Nova coming, supposedly.

https://youtu.be/4t9tYXCl9PI

why sharing a video of a guy talking about a preview picture that was already shared here?

TOW is on the list for Nova, news can be anything from "we added a new coat of arms to the map" to "released the following week"

this is nothing to get excited for or telling us anything, except as Matrindur mentions, if something bigger would be announced at Nova they would talk about the leaked Pegasus, while if anything of substance is further away they ignore it

 kodos wrote:
by now it is kind of strange that GW did not cover any of the leaked sprues, neither FEC for AoS nor the Pegasus for TOW

usually we get something to cover such leaks yet either this did not stir up enough people online or there is nothing soon to come

GW generally respond to terrible potato cam shots of painted minis because (they feel) it risks people thinking, 'oh that looks rubbish, i won't bother getting it when it comes out' so GW tends to release an in focus image of a decent size to combat this

I think they're a lot less worried about sprue shots as casual watchers just won't pay as much attention to them so only those who were really invested will do more than glance at them (and in this case the pictures were decent, generally in focus and large enough to be loooked at properly not an out of focus shot of a thumbnail)

Sometimes they also just don't bother. A bunch of Wacry stuff was leaked a month or two in advance (ironically FEC again) but they didn't show it until Fest.

Yeah they’re probably saving the reveals for next week

They've barely released anything for 10th 40K. They are releasing another main game (epic) within the year. 30K is on life support at this point with no infantry kits at all since launch and not even an FAQ. I don't see them releasing ANOTHER core game (TOW) this year, and I even doubt 2024.

I don't know how you say HH is on life support, its had one of the most aggressive release schedules of any Specialist Games product. And thats just it - it *is* a specialist games product. If you're gauging release schedule in comparison to 40k or AoS, I can understand theargument that it might appear to be on "life support", but its getting the same (or greater) support as the other specialist product lines that it should be compared to.

Now MESBG - thats a game on life support.

not really either as MESBG just good new cheap (not GW cheap but wargaming cheap) army boxes for the game

HH might feel like that because it does not have anything like that "just" got tanks
so there is a difference between those 2

chaos0xomega wrote:
I don't know how you say HH is on life support, its had one of the most aggressive release schedules of any Specialist Games product. And thats just it - it *is* a specialist games product. If you're gauging release schedule in comparison to 40k or AoS, I can understand theargument that it might appear to be on "life support", but its getting the same (or greater) support as the other specialist product lines that it should be compared to.

Now MESBG - thats a game on life support.

No no, see because there are no plastic Assault Marines it's a dead game. And before that when there was only plastic Mk3/4 and Terminators it was also a dead game. And before that when it was only resin kits it was also a dead game.

And we are veering off topic, yet again. We know that ToW is happening, we do not know when, perhaps we might next month.

 Darnok wrote:
Even if Tomb Kings get their regular Skeletons back, those are based on a kit from late 1998.

I would imagine that a new box featuring TK vs Brets would be 100% new models and that would involve basic infantry.

And, speaking just personal preference here, I would damnwell hope that TK get new Skeletons. The old TK Skeleton kit wasn't fun to put together. I put one box together just for Warhammer Quest adversaries. I can't imagine what it would've been like trying to do that for an entire army.

 Darnok wrote:
And you know this because... ?

His dad works at Nintendo.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
They've barely released anything for 10th 40K.

Weirdly, you're right. 10th has had next to no releases since it game out. A couple of EZ-build models from the Levi box out as separate boxes, and then the starter boxes that just re-use those models. We know that Tyranids and Marines are coming soon, but it's been an odd gap in releases given the hype around the new edition. You'd think they'd want to strike whilst the iron is a little hotter.

I guess with so many spinning plates - 10th, AoS, HH, nuEpic, a new season of KT, ongoing Warcry and Underworlds stuff, neglecting Necromunda, and of course The Old World's imminent (?) release - things are smashing into one another and causing delays.

I don't think the box will be 100% new models. At least on the Bret side the old kits are still great and we have already seen some painted up 6th edition knights.

I do hope we get new infantry for the Tomb Kings though. Their rank and file are absolutely horrid which is a shame because their other kits are amazing.

Necropalis Knights are a bit of a pain to put together, but they do look cool. Plastic Tomb Scorpion wouldn't go astray, that's for sure!

triplegrim wrote:

 Darnok wrote:

triplegrim wrote:Game will come out sometime in 2026.

triplegrim wrote:Dunno how that peggyknight ended up on ebay, but I can tell you there is no TOW game coming 2023 or 2024.

And you know this because... ?

Basing it on the 2 new models we've seen so far, and gws lack of rules and vaporware style rumor releases. Seems like a game that'll be ready in a few years from now.

So you actually have no clue, got it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Darnok wrote:
Even if Tomb Kings get their regular Skeletons back, those are based on a kit from late 1998.

I would imagine that a new box featuring TK vs Brets would be 100% new models and that would involve basic infantry.

Grail Seeker wrote:I don't think the box will be 100% new models. At least on the Bret side the old kits are still great and we have already seen some painted up 6th edition knights.

I do hope we get new infantry for the Tomb Kings though. Their rank and file are absolutely horrid which is a shame because their other kits are amazing.

My bet would be on some kind of launch box including the BRB and entirely new models, followed by a series of "faction boxes" using a mix of older models and one or two new kits each.

I hope for new TK skeletons as well, I just have my doubts. The old chariot seems to be coming back, and it has the old style skeletons as crew (plus the old skeleton horses). Together with the bunch of other rereleases we have seen it is not unreasonable to assume the old skeletons might just come back as they were. Would it suck? Hell yeah. Do I believe GW might do it anyway? Sure do...

The bigger bases for 20x20 and 25x50 have been confirmed, as far as I am aware.
Has there been any statement by GW regarding the old 25x25 bases?
Most 20s were rather easy to put in rank and file if you didn't assemble them in a stupid way. I feel it was often the big guys, that were very tight, even on 25mm bases...

Or is there a one-stop place on the internet where all the confirmed info on TOW is collected so far?

The last article demonstrated some Orcs on noticeably larger bases than the Goblins next to them.
Someone overlaid the images and guessed they were ~30mm but I'd avoid rebasing anything until that was in writing.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Sometimes they also just don't bother. A bunch of Wacry stuff was leaked a month or two in advance (ironically FEC again) but they didn't show it until Fest.

Hh starter box pic leaked almost year before gw commented on it.

New rumours from the new Valrak video
Of course as always shovel salt as needed

Release in October already

Instead of one starter box with both Tomb Kings and Bretonnians each will get their own box

The only confirmed base change is 20mm squares moving to 25mm. Every thing else floating around is just inferred through logic by the community or by guessing at the new size through images.

 Matrindur wrote:
New rumours from the new Valrak video
Of course as always shovel salt as needed

Release in October already

Instead of one starter box with both Tomb Kings and Bretonnians each will get their own box

I wouldn't object to start collecting like boxes (or something like the old battalions) intended as the way to get into the game. As long as it's on third party shelves and preferably comes with a discount, it should get the job done just fine. And selfishly, I don't mind getting Tomb Kings without having to figure out what to do with all the canned meat if it were a two faction starter set instead.

And the sooner I can get my hands on some Tomb Kings kits again, the better.

 Geifer wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
New rumours from the new Valrak video
Of course as always shovel salt as needed

Release in October already

Instead of one starter box with both Tomb Kings and Bretonnians each will get their own box

I wouldn't object to start collecting like boxes (or something like the old battalions) intended as the way to get into the game. As long as it's on third party shelves and preferably comes with a discount, it should get the job done just fine. And selfishly, I don't mind getting Tomb Kings without having to figure out what to do with all the canned meat if it were a two faction starter set instead.

And the sooner I can get my hands on some Tomb Kings kits again, the better.

I think its likely in the scale of those Middle-Earth Battlehosts

I don't think Battlehosts would be sufficient to play even a small game of TOW based on what we've heard. Maybe Bretonnians since they are an elite army, but Tomb Kings?

since when does GW care if the box content makes a playable army, or even a legal army
they rather make a new game mode that fits the box rather than making a box that works for the actual game

Grail Seeker wrote:
The only confirmed base change is 20mm squares moving to 25mm.

not even this was confirmed, just that 25 square is the smallest base size in the new game
it is still up if all old 20mm ones move to 25mm or if some move from 20 to the next larger one

I think, if every army got a core box that’s intended as both a starter and a core that would be great.
A easy get that box for each army would fix a big issue fantasy had with sticker shock, plus box bloat.
A hero with 2 one 3 builds, 30 infantry and an artillery to get a player started for a reasonable price.

Then can be a 3 box start game easy.

I expect that content but as limited Edition 150€ boxes
as this fits the recent AoS special release boxes