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So does the tomb king with 0 wrappings on his body.

Yeah, it's a nice kit.

I still think the plastic budget should have been spent on basic skellies.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Yeah, it's a nice kit.

I still think the plastic budget should have been spent on basic skellies.

Are we sure we didn't get new ones?

Valrak said only the Dragon was new in the box. I think you see the old skeletons in the video too?

Vorian wrote:
Valrak said only the Dragon was new in the box. I think you see the old skeletons in the video too?

Ah... bit of a shame then, but then again skellies are easy to substitute in from other sources. I do hope tho for the sake of sanity that we get a 10 man tomb guard unit in plastic, if only to make TK players field them more.

Tomb Guard were already plastic, it was just that the 10 model box was a little bit expensive for what you needed (32€ on release)

Not Online!!! wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Yeah, it's a nice kit.
I still think the plastic budget should have been spent on basic skellies.

Are we sure we didn't get new ones?

not by the models shown in the video along the Dragon
still nothing for the "maybe plastic mummy infantry" but everything else is exactly is it was in 8th, so Skellis from 1999

 kodos wrote:
Tomb Guard were already plastic, it was just that the 10 model box was a little bit expensive for what you needed (32€ on release)

Not Online!!! wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Yeah, it's a nice kit.
I still think the plastic budget should have been spent on basic skellies.

Are we sure we didn't get new ones?

not by the models shown in the video along the Dragon
still nothing for the "maybe plastic mummy infantry" but everything else is exactly is it was in 8th, so Skellis from 1999

OOF, i guess my memory has completely eroded, but tbf the last years of WHFB were a bit of a haze.

Yeah, i guess then it's mostly a question of price.

for me they were already overpriced back in the days and I don't expect that they will be cheaper

but I am a gamer first, those who are collectors first might see things differently

The dragon looks nice enough, but the rickety tower is just stupid.

It's a good thing we're getting something that has 99% functional overlap with the sphinx. It's so much better than putting all that plastic towards new skeletons. How dreadful that would have been.

To be fair, you can see the tomb guard in the video which were some of the nicest skeletons GW has ever made. Plus they were part of the last TK wave and so it makes some sense GW decided to give the Brets a new plastic unit instead

I just don’t see the point of the dragon. We have the warsphinx, that also gives the option for a plastic tomb king on foot. It could be the paint job but the howdah on his back doesn’t look like it fits in the rest of the range very well

Crikey they must be pretty serious about TOW to release such large new models for it? Or is it just a case of "we're a miniatures company, here's a new $150USD mini to buy"

The "dragon" looks schizophrenic even by construct standards.

more about the last one, hence a shiny new thing no one already has

Whoa, when did the new pics pop up?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The "dragon" looks schizophrenic even by construct standards.

The designer of the howdah (stevepaintsandsculpts on Insta) said even he doesn't believe the model fits the range and that it was difficult designing something he doesn't agree with, and I completely get it.

Moreover, his words make it seem like the howdah was designed separately (and even then had random gak slapped on it) -and I get that too.



Th howdah and characters I find beautiful, but it definitely feels simply tacked on what is otherwise an uninspired and forced checking of the "centerpiece model" box (that GW seems fixated on for some reason)

It's really, really bad and does not bode well for the underlying design direction of ToW. What a disappointment.

 BertBert wrote:
It's really, really bad and does not bode well for the underlying design principles of ToW. What a disappointment.

I feel ya. I would've *loved* to see what the person capable of designing such a beautiful thing as the howdah would do with an entire model.

If there ever was a project where GW should've given knowledgeable and passionate creatives complete free right and restrain themselves from corporate decisions in designing models, then it's ToW, given how low cost and niche it is.

I'm all the more disappointed because I was amazed by every single Bret mini shown beforehand, and I love TK more than Brets.

I'll still buy and play it, especially since rules look promising, but yeah, that confession was super disheartening to read.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The crocodile dragon with unstable howdah and giganto banner looks super janky.

I can't imagine using that in a game. Ever.

Shouldn't form be even tangentially related to function?

It doesn't look like the dragon skeleton is at all similar to the traditional style of Warhammer Fantasy dragons.

Nor is there any evidence of mummification on the dragon (or riders...), which you'd probably expect from such a high status mount.

Commissar von Toussaint wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The crocodile dragon with unstable howdah and giganto banner looks super janky.

I can't imagine using that in a game. Ever.

Shouldn't form be even tangentially related to function?

What if the sculptors don't know enough about the game to consider function? It sounds insane, but we know well enough that sculpts come before fluff and rules, and that GW is compartmentalized to a degree that has in the past left some departments unaware of developments they should have been told about. I find it completely plausible that sculptors who've only ever worked on AoS or 40k models might lack the awareness of what exactly it means for a Old World model to extend past its base.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
It doesn't look like the dragon skeleton is at all similar to the traditional style of Warhammer Fantasy dragons.

Nor is there any evidence of mummification on the dragon (or riders...), which you'd probably expect from such a high status mount.

This might be a case where the sculptors sculpted a construct made from suitably large bones sourced from all manner of critters to make something dragon shaped, and when the fluff writers got it in their hands they decided it's a real dragon's skeleton.

That said, I always liked the old metal zombie dragon because it specifically didn't look like the serpentine dragons most other armies got. Seeing the way AoS dragons are sculpted, serpentine dragons may have simply fallen out of favor at this point and GW thinks they'll sell more of a dragon model if it actually looks cool.

The complete lack of mummification on the king is undoubtedly silly, though. You can make a case for a liche priest, but not for the actual mummy part of the army.

Not Online!!! wrote:

I like the fact that regardless how you build the dragon you got a foot hero ontop.

As long as you don't mind the Liche sitting in a chair the entire battle, that is. Like the current Zombie Dragon/Terrorgheist, only one of the options (the King) is actually designed to be used as a second model if you do the other build.

Maybe its contrarianism, but I like the dragon.

I'd agree with others though that transporting it would surely be a nightmare.

Tyel wrote:
Maybe its contrarianism, but I like the dragon.

I'd agree with others though that transporting it would surely be a nightmare.

I like the dragon too, looks good - especially in the video

Yeah, the video part should be highlighted. I wasn't sure about the dragon based on the pictures in the article, but the extra perspectives in the video make it look better. Pretty cool, actually.

The saving grace for me, provided better pictures don't change this, is that the howdah seems easy to remove. I've removed the seat of the zombie dragon when AoS allowed a riderless dragon and that was a lot of work and entailed resculpting bits if I remember correctly. The Tomb Kings dragon seems like you can get away with just cutting the thing off with minimal impact on the actual dragon.

 Geifer wrote:
I've removed the seat of the zombie dragon when AoS allowed a riderless dragon and that was a lot of work and entailed resculpting bits if I remember correctly. The Tomb Kings dragon seems like you can get away with just cutting the thing off with minimal impact on the actual dragon.

Are you talking about an older version of the zombie dragon? The current Zombiedragon/Terrorgheist can be build without rider or seat right from the box, no cutting or resculpting required at all.

 Darnok wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
I've removed the seat of the zombie dragon when AoS allowed a riderless dragon and that was a lot of work and entailed resculpting bits if I remember correctly. The Tomb Kings dragon seems like you can get away with just cutting the thing off with minimal impact on the actual dragon.

Are you talking about an older version of the zombie dragon? The current Zombiedragon/Terrorgheist can be build without rider or seat right from the box, no cutting or resculpting required at all.

I'm talking about this one. Hmm, maybe I just converted it to look cooler. Like I said, it's been a while. I might be misremembering the details.

 Geifer wrote:
I'm talking about this one. Hmm, maybe I just converted it to look cooler. Like I said, it's been a while. I might be misremembering the details.

Yeah that's the new/current one. All parts to build the rider(s), including the seat, are completely optional.

Nice reposing there!

Thanks.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
It doesn't look like the dragon skeleton is at all similar to the traditional style of Warhammer Fantasy dragons.

Nor is there any evidence of mummification on the dragon (or riders...), which you'd probably expect from such a high status mount.

Warhammer Dragons are extremely varible in size and appearance - the lore piece also specifically states the bones were sand blasted over the millenia and recovered later to be reanimated by the Mortuary Cult

IMO its better than most Warhammer Dragons - really dislike the Elf ones -

They should just have made gigantic crocodile skeleton. Would fit the theme better. Lich king could have been standing like a DUNE wormrider holding some reins. No howdah.