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There's base sizes for Forsaken? You think there's any chance they're gonna resell that kit?

 KidCthulhu wrote:
There's base sizes for Forsaken? You think there's any chance they're gonna resell that kit?

Every Chaos players bits box would be over flowing the day its re-released.

Pretty gak models as a whole, but man, did I put that kit to work on my various Chaos projects.

edit: I hope it comes out again!

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

SU-152 wrote:

 kodos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
If HBMC and I are agreeing, you know we must be right.

40k 10th is very much a new game compared to 3rd/5th/7th but it is "just" a new Edition because GW calls it that way
TOW is a new game because GW said so, not because the rules are that different

how much work GW puts into it remains to be seen, and if reviews show that it is just a collection of old art and background it is a low afford book

still comparing it to LI, same company, same resources available, similar development time and if everything new for one and not for the other one has seen less work put into it that could have been possible
that GW releases both at the same time (and if the November rumours would be true, both overlapping) means that there are not seen as equal but one being the lesser game that gets less resources

A sensible post here. At last some logic.

ToW is Warhammer FB, the same as LI is Epic. GW decided, for some marketing reason, to name them differently and "say" that those are new games, which they clearly aren't (for gosh sake, it's the same mechanics, style, design...).

Them naming it different is pretty irrelevant. When it's an entirely different team making their own game years after the original version was discontinued, establishing their own background and lore for the setting of the game to take place within, and it wasn't just as simple as taking stuff from before and making a few changes but instead they've had to come up with their own ideas about just what the fundamentals of armies are and how to adjust and interpret things both lore, miniature, rulewise etc, it's not just WHF.

Neither is stuff like Legions Imperialis or Necromunda the same as the previous games just because they're based on the original and have similarities. They retain some core elements, but it's it's a re-imagining to the extent of a new game.

You are literally defining a new edition. Not a new game.

Epic 2nd ed is brutally different from 3rd edition. Like total different games, just minis in common. Yet both are called Epic, 2nd ed and 3rd ed respectively.

Same with 5th and 6th WHFB.

You just cannot not agree to that. There's history on that.

I'm surprised to see it doesn't appear that GW cut all that much... just the luminark and hurricanum it seems from what I can tell. Unless there's a weird "legacies of the old world" extended army list pdf for each faction and some of the units I thought might be cut end up being from there rather than a rulebook proper.

 kodos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Likewise the insistence that TOW has a smaller edition launch is mind boggling false when there are more SKUs coming out on launch for TOW than there have been for any edition of AoS, or any recent edition of 40k, or even HH.

really? Do you know anything we don't or how are you counting those?

??? It's all public information. Look at the preorder list for HH on release day and compare to the ones out there now for TOW.

well, TOW is a new Edition of Warhammer Fantasy the very same way 10th 40k is a new Edition
despite 10th Edition has different rules, different setting, different teams and just some overlaps in naming

There's a clear continuity in setting, narrative, factions, and development team for 40k. There is not for TOW, half the factions are cut (and there are additional cuts within the factions that remained), a whole new narrative with zero continuity from what was there before (it's in fact a prequel), the setting is in fact different (just because it's the same universe doesn't make it the same setting), and it's an entirely different team with no real overlap from the previous WHFB design team.

The only thing that 40k 10th has in common with TOW is some different rules, on its own that's not enough to warrant it being a new game.

I might make time and compare what has changed to what hasn’t from the leaked lists. That would be super helpful.

 insaniak wrote:

 Mallo wrote:

Goblins on 25s are going to look tiny, unless we are only going to see hill goblins back and night goblins are gone. (Though I'd love for the Brian Nelson plastics to return in place of the newer night goblins )

This was my issue with the rebasing from the start. Goblins, dwarfs, and most human-sized models look ridiculous on ranked 25mm bases.

Maybe the goblins but I can say that Ironbreakers filled up 25mm rounds quite nicely and will fit well on squares. Given that the plastic dwarf warrior kit and the crossbow kit rank up pretty terribly on 20s is a good reason to bump them. That way I don't have to play mix and match with the stuff I bought and then number the bottoms of bases.....

Skavens are going to look weird af in 25x25, Seb Perbet & co designes them to look like a uniform mass of rats going on the same direction. Separate them and the design loses a bit.

But of course, the ninja gaking monkeys are still fethed, no matter the base sizes

Dudeface wrote:
What do you want? You gave an opinion, it doesn't need or require a rebuttal. Contrarily, you're more than happy to aimlessly argue with people.

My stance was that you clearly dislike the entire game, products, marketing and company ethos behind it. Am I wrong? If not, what is there to "counter argue" if you do not wish to have your mind changed.

I have stated the reasoning for forming that opinion, and a lot of folk have told me not 'I disagree with your opinion' but 'Your reasoning is wrong', hence the need for counter argument. The fact that I intently dislike it is not the point of discussion in of itself.
Whether you agree with me or not, if you've nothing to contribute beyond an attempt to portray yourself as 'above' the argument, I'm not sure why you felt the need to do so.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, no. TOW is not WHFB any more than Kings of War is, or for that matter Black Powder is Warmaster or Dropfleet Commander is Battlefleet Gothic. Different rules, different settings, different teams, even where there's overlaps or similarities. I'm not interested in having this dumb ass ship of theseus debate.

The rules are no more different than a new edition would be, by the teams' own admission they are trying to use the "best" (citation needed) of WHFB's old rulesets. The setting is not drastically different enough that the game itself would be affected in a meaningful way and a lot of any fluff they create already has a solid basis in established material - far more than HH would have before GW started venturing into it directly with the Black Library.
Just because GW call it a 'new game' doesn't make it true, and it certainly is a poor excuse for the result. If you arn't willing to debate it, don't try to use it as a point.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Likewise the insistence that TOW has a smaller edition launch is mind boggling false when there are more SKUs coming out on launch for TOW than there have been for any edition of AoS, or any recent edition of 40k, or even HH.

We arn't talking about SKU's, though, because that is misleading. Battle for Skull Pass and Island of Blood are one SKU each, but contained more new models than the entirety of TOW's launch. Likewise Age of Darkness or Legions Imperialis, for more recent examples. Additionally, five of the SKU's for TOW are books.

 Afrodactyl wrote:
I still can't believe that people spent ages moaning that they wanted WHFB back, and then stamp their feet and complain that it isn't good enough when they get back exactly what they asked for.

It's already been pointed out that people arn't a hive mind, but amusingly I have never personally 'moaned that I wanted WHFB back'. I've seen how GW treated it the first time, so I'd prefer they left it alone rather than try this nostalgia-bait tactic. It's funny how many games thrive when GW is no longer meddling with them.

 Afrodactyl wrote:
If you don't want to play TOW, then don't play it. GW aren't holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy the minis or play the game.

Not being forced to purchase or become involved with a product does not equal a complete lack of right to criticise it.

 Afrodactyl wrote:
And people complaining about random-but-not-really-that-random charges is silly. If you want every single thing in your game to be predetermined and assured then you probably want to try some games that aren't wholly reliant on dice.

A classic reductio ad absurdum that I'm almost surprised to see again. Suffice it to say that not wanting certain aspects to be random does not equate to wanting absolutely no randomness altogether.

Few things to note here on the skaven list:

-Yeap, everything up in size, and now i have to change like 300-350 bases, ******

-No chieftains? Unless the "Commanders Of The Warlord Clans " option has standard options, i guess heroes wont be a thing in TOW

-NO SLAVES

-No FW stuff

-No spetial characters in sight

-Packmasters and Master Moulders? Will one of them be a character?

-No Verminlords

-No Stormfiends (that one was expected, tho)

...are any of the Skaven SC meant to be 100's of years old?

 MalusCalibur wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
What do you want? You gave an opinion, it doesn't need or require a rebuttal. Contrarily, you're more than happy to aimlessly argue with people.

My stance was that you clearly dislike the entire game, products, marketing and company ethos behind it. Am I wrong? If not, what is there to "counter argue" if you do not wish to have your mind changed.

I have stated the reasoning for forming that opinion, and a lot of folk have told me not 'I disagree with your opinion' but 'Your reasoning is wrong', hence the need for counter argument. The fact that I intently dislike it is not the point of discussion in of itself.
Whether you agree with me or not, if you've nothing to contribute beyond an attempt to portray yourself as 'above' the argument, I'm not sure why you felt the need to do so.

Because some of what you stated isn't opinion, you're presenting assumptions or outright fabrications as facts:

 MalusCalibur wrote:

GW wrote it. - fact
They are releasing ancient plastic kits at a markup. - fact
The rules follow 40k's model (multiple overpriced books rendered obsolete in short order). - fact

It's as obvious a minimum effort nostalgia cash-grab as one can get. Don't fall for it. - opinion

You picked multiple arguments in bad faith, you managed to get H.B.M.C actually sticking up for GW books because you falsely presented your conjecture as fact. I'm not above it or I wouldnt be replying, I was asking people to respect your contempt for the product and to move on as to not have pages of people bickering over something that you'll never agree on.


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 Dysartes wrote:
...are any of the Skaven SC meant to be 100's of years old?

Not so much, but you'd expect the verminlords to be present by virtue of being daemons.

insaniak wrote:

 Mallo wrote:

Goblins on 25s are going to look tiny, unless we are only going to see hill goblins back and night goblins are gone. (Though I'd love for the Brian Nelson plastics to return in place of the newer night goblins )

This was my issue with the rebasing from the start. Goblins, dwarfs, and most human-sized models look ridiculous on ranked 25mm bases.

I actually quite like humans on 25s. I started using them back when Oathmark was almost out. But yeah, goblins look tiny. I thought dwarves would be ok on 25s, I'd gotten used to how big oathmark & 8th Ed ones were but having just got a whole bunch of 6th Ed thunderers they are going to be tiny.

I had intended to go up a base size for most things, expect for my goblins & VC. But I might have to stick to 20s for some of my older dwarves as well now.

Q: if all models in the front rank now fight, regardless of how many, though only "supporting" attacks for those out of actual base contact

how much difference will it actually make for the likes of goblins anyway?

as in if they stay on 20mm are they suddenly going to turn into awesome killing machines that break the game?

 Dysartes wrote:
...are any of the Skaven SC meant to be 100's of years old?

Ikit Claw dates back to the civil War, Throt is so old that half of clan Moulder are his sons and anything on Snikch and mostly Skrolk is ambiguous enough

Base increases were urgently needed for some units, but a lot of this feels like change for change's sake.

Goblins were fine. Black Orcs were not.

Lots of goalpost moving and arbitrary nonsense being peddled about. Fallout 4 is clearly the same game as Fallout 1 and was disappointing when it launched because it didn't have day 1 dlc like previous games in the series.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, no. TOW is not WHFB any more than Kings of War is, or for that matter Black Powder is Warmaster or Dropfleet Commander is Battlefleet Gothic. Different rules, different settings, different teams, even where there's overlaps or similarities. I'm not interested in having this dumb ass ship of theseus debate.

Likewise the insistence that TOW has a smaller edition launch is mind boggling false when there are more SKUs coming out on launch for TOW than there have been for any edition of AoS, or any recent edition of 40k, or even HH.

Ok. Was warhammer 40k 7th edition totally different game to warhammer 40k 3rd ed?

If not then you are having double standards.

40k 7th is just as much new game to 3rd ed as TOW is to FB. So if you claim 7th edition was just new edition, same game then same goes for TOW.

Interesting to see that the Hellcannon is on the list. I half expected them to say it was an End Times model and therefore not include it. I'm pleasantly surprised.

Not too happy about the base size list for Lizardmen though. Getting the new saurus on to 30mm ranked squares is going to be challenging, but should be possible. Getting the slann on to a 50mm base is going to need some surgery on the basing elements though.

I think that models like chaos warriors and saurus would have benefitted from 35mm bases. They could then have used 70mm for models like the slann that get placed in the unit.

Garrac wrote:
Few things to note here on the skaven list:

-Yeap, everything up in size, and now i have to change like 300-350 bases, ******

-No chieftains? Unless the "Commanders Of The Warlord Clans " option has standard options, i guess heroes wont be a thing in TOW

-NO SLAVES

-No FW stuff

-No spetial characters in sight

-Packmasters and Master Moulders? Will one of them be a character?

-No Verminlords

-No Stormfiends (that one was expected, tho)

Way back when I first considered trying Skaven the Skaven Slaves were a huge negative to building an army. Even if you just used regular clan rat models (instead of the woeful 3 or so metal models in a blister for slaves - or something like that); you still needed insane numbers of them. Plus for the most part they were pure chaff - they just existed to die on the table in droves. A neat mechanic, but for a tabletop game meant a LOT of upfront building

Tyel wrote:
Base increases were urgently needed for some units, but a lot of this feels like change for change's sake.

Goblins were fine. Black Orcs were not.

I had 120 State Troops built back in 8th edition, plus 20 Archers and some other units. It was an absolute nightmare trying to get them to fit together on 20mm bases, let alone sticking a hero in with them. I had to do a ton of rejiggering, and at the end of the day, they could only ever rank up a certain way. If I messed up the order, I was screwed.

I recently bought 20 State Troops and built them as spearmen on 25mm bases. It wasn’t perfect, but getting them to rank up was significantly easier than it was when they were on 20mm bases. I can actually shuffle individual soldiers around and not have to worry about them no longer fitting because someone’s spear is clipping someone else’s hat, or whatever.

I actually kind of hope they rerelease the old Empire Knights plastic kit now, as I want to see how they fit on 30x60 bases. Before, on their 25x50 bases (actually, 22x50), they didn’t work in either ranks or files. Their feet stuck out from beyond their base and clipped the riders next to them, and the horse tails got in the way of the horse heads of the riders behind them. I had to do some tab cutting and sliding them back and forth to get them to fit together. I’d love to see how they fit together now on the bigger bases.

But yeah, I’ve got a stack of old 5th edition Skinks lying around. It’s going to be weird putting them on the 25mm bases intended for the Saurus Warriors.

tneva82 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, no. TOW is not WHFB any more than Kings of War is, or for that matter Black Powder is Warmaster or Dropfleet Commander is Battlefleet Gothic. Different rules, different settings, different teams, even where there's overlaps or similarities. I'm not interested in having this dumb ass ship of theseus debate.

Likewise the insistence that TOW has a smaller edition launch is mind boggling false when there are more SKUs coming out on launch for TOW than there have been for any edition of AoS, or any recent edition of 40k, or even HH.

Ok. Was warhammer 40k 7th edition totally different game to warhammer 40k 3rd ed?

If not then you are having double standards.

40k 7th is just as much new game to 3rd ed as TOW is to FB. So if you claim 7th edition was just new edition, same game then same goes for TOW.

Age of Sigmar is the same game as WHFB. Same team, same setting, same minis, just a new edition.

And this line of conversation has gone on long enough, make a post in dakka discussions if you want to continue arguing about what defines an edition etc. Leave this to the N&R of TOW.

fryguy49 wrote:
I don't know if this would be helpful but here is the Base Sizes that were posted today
Kingdom of Bretonnia

Spoiler:

Lords of Bretonnia 25 x 25mm
Handmaidens of the Lady 25 x 25mm
Sergeants-at-arms 25 x 25mm
Knights of the Realm on foot 25 x 25mm
Squires 25 x 25mm
Men-at-arms 25 x 25mm
Peasant Bowmen 25 x 25mm
Battle Pilgrims 25 x 25mm Grail Reliquae
Knights Errant 30 x 60mm
Mounted Knights of the Realm 30 x 60mm
Questing Knights 30 x 60mm
Grail Knights 30 x 60mm
Pegasus Knights 40 x 60mm
Mounted Yeoman 25 x 50mm
Hippogryph 50 x 50mm
Field Trebuchet 60 x 100mm Crewmen 25 x 25mm
Bretonnian Mounts
Bretonnian Warhorse 30 x 60mm
Warhorse 25 x 50mm
Barded Pegasus 40 x 60mm
Royal Pegasus 50 x 50mm
Unicorn 40 x 60mm

Tomb Kings of Khemri

Spoiler:

Monarchs Of Nehekhara 25 x 25mm
Royal Heralds 25 x 25mm
Liche Priests 25 x 25mm
Necrotect 25 x 25mm
Tomb Guard 25 x 25mm
Skeleton Warriors 25 x 25mm
Skeleton Archers 25 x 25mm
Skeleton Skirmishers 25 x 25mm
Ushabti 40 x 40mm
Tomb Swarms 40 x 40mm
Carrion 40 x 40mm
Skeleton Horsemen 25 x 50mm
Skeleton Horse Archers 25 x 50mm
Necropolis Knights 50 x 100mm
Sepulchral Stalkers 50 x 100mm
Skeleton Chariots 50 x 100mm
Necrolith Bone Dragon 100 x 150mm
Khemrian Warsphinx 60 x 100mm
Tomb Scorpion 75 x 50mm
Necrolith Colossus 50 x 50mm
Necrosphinx 60 x 100mm
Screaming Skull Catapult 60 x 100mm Crew - 25 x 25mm
Casket of Souls n/a
Tomb Kings Mounts
Skeletal Steed 25 x 50mm
Skeleton Chariot 50 x 100mm

Ogres

Spoiler:

Standard ogres 40s
Gnoblars 25s
Ogre Lords 40s,
Butchers are 40s, but 50x100 with their cauldron,
Hunters are 50s,
Maneaters are 40s
Yheties are 40s
Gorgers are 50s.

High Elf

Spoiler:

High elf standard infantry 25s
Dragons 60x100
All High Elf Cavalry 30x60s
All High Elf ground Chariots 50 x 100
Skycutter Chariot 60 x 100
Griffon 50
Pheonixs 50x100
Great Eagle 50s
Eagle-Claw Bolt Thrower 50s

Lizardmen

Spoiler:

All Saurus 30s
All skinks 25s
Slann 50s
Cold Ones 30x60
All aerial cav 40s
Kroxigor 40s
Jungle Swarm 40s
Stegadon and Bastiladon 60x100
Salamander/Razordon 50x75
Carnosaur /Troglodon 50x100

Vampire Counts Legacy List

Spoiler:

Vampire 25 x 25mm
Necromancers 25 x 25mm
Strigoi Ghoul Kings 25 x 25mm
Cairn Wraiths 25 x 25mm
Wights 25 x 25mm
Tomb Banshees 25 x 25mm
Grave Guard 25 x 25mm
Skeleton Warriors 25 x 25mm
Zombies 25 x 25mm
Crypt Ghouls 25 x 25mm
Crypt Horrors 40 x 40mm
Bat Swarms 40 x 40mm
Vargheists 40 x 40mm
Fell Bats 40 x 40mm
Spirit Hosts 40 x 40mm
Blood Knights 30 x 60mm
Black Knights 30 x 60mm
Dire Wolves 25 x 50mm
Hexwraiths 30 x 60mm
Coven Throne 50 x 100mm
Mortis Engine 50 x 100mm
Corpse Cart 50 x 100mm
Black Coach 50 x 100mm
Zombie Dragon 100 x 150mm
Terrorgheist 100 x 150mm
Abyssal Terror 50 x 100mm
Varghulf 50 x 50mm
Vampire Counts Mounts
Skeletal Steed 30 x 60mm
Nightmare 30 x 60mm

Dwarfen Mountain Holds (Beards mandatory for entry)

Spoiler:

Dwarf Lords 25 x 25mm
Shield Bearers 50 x 50mm
Anvil of Doom n/a
Dwarf Runesmiths 25 x 25mm
Slayers of Legend 25 x 25mm
Dwarf Engineers 25 x 25mm
Dwarf Warriors 25 x 25mm
Longbeards 25 x 25mm
Quarrellers and Thunderers 25 x 25mm
Rangers 25 x 25mm
Hammerers 25 x 25mm
Ironbreakers 25 x 25mm
Irondrakes 25 x 25mm
Miners 25 x 25mm
Slayers 25 x 25mm
Gyrocopters 50 x 50mm
Gyrobombers 50 x 50mm
Bolt Throwers 50 x 50mm
Grudge Throwers 50 x 75mm
Cannon 50 x 50mm
Organ Guns 50 x 50mm
Flame Cannon 50 x 75mm

Skaven Legacy List (Cheese board size not included)

Spoiler:

Commanders Of The Warlord Clans 25 x 25mm
Grey Seers 25 x 25mm
Clan Skryre Warlock Engineers 25 x 25mm
Clan Eshin Master Assassins 25 x 25mm
Clan Pestilens Plague Priests 25 x 25mm
Stormvermin 25 x 25mm
Clanrats 25 x 25mm
Weapon Teams 25 x 50mm
Warplock Jezzails 25 x 50mm
Poisoned Wind Globadiers 25x25mm
Rat Swarms 40 x 40mm
Packmasters & Master Moulders 25 x 25mm
Rat Ogres 50 x 50mm
Giant Rats 25 x 25mm
Night Runners 25 x 25mm
Gutter Runners 25 x 25mm
Plague Monks 25 x 25mm
Plague Censer Bearers 25 x 25mm
Screaming Bell 60 x 100mm
Plague Furnace 60 x 100mm
Doomwheel 50 x 100mm
Hell Pit Abomination 60 x 100mm
Warp Lightning Cannon 50 x 100mm
Plagueclaw Catapult 50 x 100mm

Orks And Goblins

Spoiler:

Black Orc Bosses 30 x 30mm
Orc Bosses 30 x 30mm
Orc Shamans 30 x 30mm
Goblin Bosses 25 x 25mm (All goblins are the best thing ever)
Goblin Shamans 25 x 25mm
Night Goblin Bosses 25 x 25mm
Night Goblin Shamans 25 x 25mm
Black Orc Mobs 30 x 30mm
Orc Mobs 30 x 30mm
Goblin Mobs 25 x 25mm
Nasty Skulkers 25 x 25mm
Night Goblin Mobs 25 x 25mm
Fanatics 25mm round base
Night Goblin Squig Herds 25 x 25mm
Troll Mobs 40 x 40mm
Orc Boar Boy Mobs 30 x 60mm
Goblin Spider Rider Mobs 25 x 50mm
Goblin Wolf Rider Mobs 25 x 50mm
Night Goblin Squig Hopper Mobs 25 x 25mm
Orc Boar Chariots 50 x 100mm
Goblin Wolf Chariots 50 x 100mm if two wolves 60mm x 100mm if three wolves
Snotling Pump Wagons 50 x 75mm
Wyverns 50 x 100mm
Arachnarok Spider 100 x 150mm
Mangler Squigs 50 x 75mm
Giants 50 x 50mm or 50 x 75mm
Goblin Bolt Throwas 50 x 50mm Crew - 25 x 25mm
Doom Diver Catapults 50 x 75mm Crew - 25 x 25mm
Goblin Rock Lobbers 60mm x 10mm Crew - 25 x 25mm
Orc Bullies 30 x 30mm

Wood Elf Realms

Spoiler:

Wood Elf Nobles 25 x 25mm
Wood Elf Mages 25 x 25mm
Shadowdancers 25 x 25mm
Waystalkers 25 x 25mm
Treemen Ancients 50 x 50mm or 50 x 75mm
Branchwraiths 30 x 30mm
Wood Elf Archers 25 x 25mm
Eternal Guard 25 x 25mm
Wildwood Rangers 25 x 25mm
Wardancers 25 x 25mm
Waywatchers 25 x 25mm
Dryads 30 x 30mm
Tree Kin 50 x 50mm
Glade Riders 30 x 60mm
Sisters of the Thorn 30 x 60mm
Wild Riders 30 x 60mm
Warhawk Riders 50 x 50mm
Forest Dragons 60 x 100mm
Great Eagles 50 x 50mm
Treemen 50 x 50mm or 50 x 75mm
Wood Elf Mounts
Elven Steed 30 x 60mm
Great Stag 50 x 50mm
Unicorn 40 x 60mm
Warhawk 50 x 50mm

The Empire of Man (For Sigmar? Nah, for Squigmar!)

Spoiler:

Commanders of the Empire 25 x 25mm
Empire Wizards 25 x 25mm
Witch hunters 25 x 25mm
Warrior Priests Of Sigmar 25 x 25mm
Priests Of Ulric 25 x 25mm
Engineers 25 x 25mm
Empire State Troops 25 x 25mm
State Missile Troops (Crossbowmen/Handgunners) 25 x 25mm
Free Company Militia 25 x 25mm
Empire Greatswords 25 x 25mm
Flagellants 25 x 25mm
Pistoliers 30 x 60mm
Outriders 30 x 60mm
Empire Knights 30 x 60mm
Inner Circle Knights 30 x 60mm
Demigryph Knights 50 x 75mm
War Altar of Sigmar 60 x 100mm
Empire Steam Tank 60 x 100mm
Griffons 60 x 100mm
Great Cannon 50 x 75mm
Mortars 50 x 75mm
Helblaster Volley Guns 50 x 75mm
Helstorm Rocket Batteries 50 x 75mm
Empire Mounts
Barded Warhorse 30 x 60mm
Empire Warhorse 30 x 60mm
Pegasus 40 x 60mm
Demigryph 50 x 75mm

Warriors of Chaos (BOO HISS)

Spoiler:

Champions of Chaos 30 x 30mm
Daemon Princes 50 x 50mm
Sorcerers of Chaos 30 x 30mm
Chaos Warriors 30 x 30mm
Chosen Chaos Warriors 30 x 30mm
Chaos Marauders 25 x 25mm
Forsaken 30 x 30mm
Chaos Ogres 40 x 40mm
Chaos Trolls 40 x 40mm
Chaos Spawn 50 x 50mm
Chaos Knights 30 x 60mm
Chosen Chaos Knights 30 x 60mm
Marauder Horsemen 30 x 60mm
Chaos Warhounds 25 x 50mm
Chaos Warhound Handler 30 x 30mm
Chaos Chariots 60 x 100mm
Gorebeast Chariots 60 x 100mm
Manticore 60 x 100mm
Chaos Dragon 60 x 100mm
Chimera 60 x 100mm
Hellcannon 100 x 150mm
Warriors of Chaos Mounts
Chaos Steed 30 x 60mm
Daemonic Mount 40 x 60mm/50 x 75mm

Porting this excellent post to the new page.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
There's base sizes for Forsaken? You think there's any chance they're gonna resell that kit?

I’m really hoping. Weird kit, perfect bits.

I’m wondering if the dwarfs will get a anvil of doom/throne bearer kit as their release. The old anvil of doom was specifically Thoreks, though I guess they could just say he’s a generic runelord. Honestly, I’d rather get an actual kit for dwarf rangers

While weird I honestly think Forsaken was a decent kit. Like they were an 8e plastic kit, not sure why they were even discontinued.


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Still have a box and a half of Forsaken unbuilt.

Now I need to get some square bases for my Lizardmen units.

 Afrodactyl wrote:
I still can't believe that people spent ages moaning that they wanted WHFB back, and then stamp their feet and complain that it isn't good enough when they get back exactly what they asked for.

I'm the opposite. I was done with GW games. Hadn't bought or played for years, having moved on to other things. I was planning on ignoring TOW, but I've found I've been suckered right back in. I preordered the main three books and the Bretonnia journal too.

I'm a sucker

I for one will be buying the TK box because I want a classic looking TK army without having to pay the ridiculous eBay prices. Goofy bobblehead skeletons and all.

I prefer the old Citadel aesthetics to the new style. The old TK look better than (almost) all the new AoS minis as far as I'm concerned.

Forsaken are just a bit too mutated for my tastes. Like, they're crazy miniatures, and I can see people liking that, but dang.

The Black Adder wrote:
Interesting to see that the Hellcannon is on the list. I half expected them to say it was an End Times model and therefore not include it. I'm pleasantly surprised.

Eh? Hellcannons go back to at least 6th edition and Storm of Chaos. Background goes back even further, iirc, with roots in the Chaos Dwarf Mortars and 'Bazukas' in the original Slaves to Darkness army list for Khorne.
Nice of them to keep the last base size for it, however.

 Afrodactyl wrote:
I for one will be buying the TK box because I want a classic looking TK army without having to pay the ridiculous eBay prices. Goofy bobblehead skeletons and all.

To be fair, with everything back in print, those ridiculous eBay prices will likely go away as supply outstrips demand.

I mean, I've had a Necrosphinx still sealed in its box since Feb 2016. I paid AUD$60 for it. Between then and now I could have sold it for excess of AUD$300. In a few months time, I doubt I'll even be able to get $100 for it.