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Yeah the Shaggoth was originally metal. I have one, it's one of my favourite miniatures.

 Kalamadea wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

rollthebones wrote:
Does anyone know roughly the lead times on GW hardback reprints for in-demand items? I missed out on Forces of Fantasy so keen to know how long it might be before we see them again. Not sure if they're printed here/Europe or in China.

Apologies if this has been asked and answered already. Didn't see it anywhere.

Why don't you get it from third parties? It's available all over the place.

Maybe he wants a hard copy?

hard copies were in my local store -walked in yesterday and picked up the rulebook and two army books

Maybe in the UK, not in the US. I have 3 local game shops, one of which is a Warhammer Store and none of them had any books or cards left as of this afternoon. The Warhammer Store had a couple Tomb Kings army boxes left, but everything else was sold out completely at all 3 shops. The online stores appear to also be sold out. I would have dropped $170 for hardback books today if anyone had them, but the only option now is wait months for a reprint or buy the digital copies. There's no chance in hell I'm paying $128 for digital books.

My friend bought the Tomb Kings army, I'll need to share his book or else sail the high seas, potentially for months. Reading through the Facebook and Reddit groups, I'm not alone in that

Still waiting for my FLGS to get their shipment, since apparently Tennessee doesn't know how to winter properly.

Did anyone order from Wayland Games, and if so has your stuff arrived/been dispatched yet?

In the past my pre order stuff from Wayland normally arrives on release day (or even before) but my ToW order still says “processing”.....

Cheers

Theyredeaddave wrote:
Did anyone order from Wayland Games, and if so has your stuff arrived/been dispatched yet?

In the past my pre order stuff from Wayland normally arrives on release day (or even before) but my ToW order still says “processing”.....

Cheers

In my experience that's likely code for either "the stock turned up late" or "we sold more than we have". They will send it I'm sure but the lack of clarity is frustrating.

Yep I'm waiting on a Wayland order too. It could just be that GW put them later on the shipping list and its not arrived with them; or they've been slow getting stock out for whatever reason. Or they've over-sold or got less on a pallet than they thought they would or some other kerfuffle.

Theyredeaddave wrote:
Did anyone order from Wayland Games, and if so has your stuff arrived/been dispatched yet?

In the past my pre order stuff from Wayland normally arrives on release day (or even before) but my ToW order still says “processing”.....

Cheers

I'm in the same boat. I only ordered Forces of Fantasy from Wayland. Got everything else (Bretonnia army box, the arcane journal, Ravening Hordes) delivered on Sat through Dark Sphere (who told me in advance they couldn't supply FoF.) Poor that Wayland haven't communicated.

This was why I asked about lead times on hardback reprints a few pages back. I've since found out that the books were printed in China, and if that reprints come from there too, that's 3 - 4 weeks port to port, and 6 - 8 weeks door to door. But I have no idea how long to add on for the reprint itself. Maybe 3 months in total? GW could always reach out to UK printers, I guess, and take a slight hit to keep momentum going, like someone mentioned they did with LI. Book reprints will obviously affect the starter set restocks too.

At least I have some models to build in the meantime.

GW might also have broken their order up into shipment waves so the next selection of books might not be 3 months away at all. Cash flow is a thing and GW might well not have had the money or shipping space or budget to put everything in one order and instead broke it up.

It might also be something they do to streamline their warehousing and inventory or even just a printing limit at the printers (printer can only print X and any more has to be done next production wave).

I'd be surprised if we now enter a several month wait for a restock of books. It's not impossible, but considering how fast the Wave 2 shipments appeared as an option my guess is they will appear next week as a "wave 2 release"

Theyredeaddave wrote:
Did anyone order from Wayland Games, and if so has your stuff arrived/been dispatched yet?

In the past my pre order stuff from Wayland normally arrives on release day (or even before) but my ToW order still says “processing”.....

Cheers

Yes and no. I ordered the Bret army box as soon as they went live that Saturday, and both Forces of Fantasy and Ravening Hordes books the Wednesday after that. My army box was dispatched on Friday and is arriving today, but got an email saying the books are waiting for stock.

If you didn't get an email letting you know the situation then I'd send one to see what's up.

Thanks all, good to hear other people’s experiences.

I was hoping to capitalise on the hype and get some games in but c'est la vie.

Cheers

https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/

LET`S GOOO! pdf rules are here!

I was correct.

"But while these are complete lists, there are no plans to release miniatures to use them with – the rules are intended for people who already have armies in their collection."

So it looks like no MTOs for these, as expected, though some people online thought there would be.

Ashitaka wrote:
"But while these are complete lists, there are no plans to release miniatures to use them with – the rules are intended for people who already have armies in their collection."

So it looks like no MTOs for these, as expected, though some people online thought there would be.

Would be very confusing messaging if GW stated that they weren't getting ongoing support and then they sold miniatures for them.

I stand firm on my position that we will see the majority of these factions via expansions or new editions of TOW, so long as the system is a commercial success. Some might take longer than others as their AOS ranges take longer to go through a refresh, while Chaos Dwarfs will probably never get there because GW hates them.

If GW hated Chaos dwarfs they wouldn't bother to update their rules.
What I do however find a bit stressful is that in the art provided I don't see their iconic big noses which made me like them so much..

It looks like the Chaos Dwarfs list is written to fully accommodate both the old metal models and new resin ones.
There's even an allowance for black orcs.

 Londinium wrote:

Ashitaka wrote:
"But while these are complete lists, there are no plans to release miniatures to use them with – the rules are intended for people who already have armies in their collection."

So it looks like no MTOs for these, as expected, though some people online thought there would be.

Would be very confusing messaging if GW stated that they weren't getting ongoing support and then they sold miniatures for them.

I stand firm on my position that we will see the majority of these factions via expansions or new editions of TOW, so long as the system is a commercial success. Some might take longer than others as their AOS ranges take longer to go through a refresh, while Chaos Dwarfs will probably never get there because GW hates them.

Didn't stop GW doing MTOs for several firstborn marines in 40K that had just lost rules support TBH.

Of course, given the new status for most of these factions we might just see AOS MTOs for them that just happen to be the models you'd want for TOW...

Edit: I have also had nothing from Wayland about my core rulebook and it's not shipped. Pretty disappointing - I know people didn't have great experiences with them on backorders, but I had actually found them quite good for pre-orders the last couple of years. Guess that's them and The Outpost off the trustworthy list for pre-orders now.

Seems to me the lists have about everything that was present at the end of 8th and similar faction specials (vampiric powers, but no bloodlines...)


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Well, no End Times units? Nagash, Mortarchs and Stormfiends missing, off the top of my head.

Well, I've just read the Skaven list and I'm pretty happy! Still chock full of weird randomness and we still have warpstone tokens!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Seems to me the lists have about everything that was present at the end of 8th and similar faction specials (vampiric powers, but no bloodlines...)


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Well, no End Times units? Nagash, Mortarchs and Stormfiends missing, off the top of my head.

Explicitly not the End Times, so... obviously not missing.

rollthebones wrote:

Theyredeaddave wrote:
Did anyone order from Wayland Games, and if so has your stuff arrived/been dispatched yet?

In the past my pre order stuff from Wayland normally arrives on release day (or even before) but my ToW order still says “processing”.....

Cheers

I'm in the same boat. I only ordered Forces of Fantasy from Wayland. Got everything else (Bretonnia army box, the arcane journal, Ravening Hordes) delivered on Sat through Dark Sphere (who told me in advance they couldn't supply FoF.) Poor that Wayland haven't communicated.

This was why I asked about lead times on hardback reprints a few pages back. I've since found out that the books were printed in China, and if that reprints come from there too, that's 3 - 4 weeks port to port, and 6 - 8 weeks door to door. But I have no idea how long to add on for the reprint itself. Maybe 3 months in total? GW could always reach out to UK printers, I guess, and take a slight hit to keep momentum going, like someone mentioned they did with LI. Book reprints will obviously affect the starter set restocks too.

At least I have some models to build in the meantime.

In many cases books (from other publishers) are delivered via air freight rather than transoceanic container shipping, especially when it comes to reprints/restocks. Can't speak to GWs practices on this, only pointing out that the port-to-port lead time might not be as long as you estimated.

 Overread wrote:
GW might also have broken their order up into shipment waves so the next selection of books might not be 3 months away at all. Cash flow is a thing and GW might well not have had the money or shipping space or budget to put everything in one order and instead broke it up.
It might also be something they do to streamline their warehousing and inventory or even just a printing limit at the printers (printer can only print X and any more has to be done next production wave).
I'd be surprised if we now enter a several month wait for a restock of books. It's not impossible, but considering how fast the Wave 2 shipments appeared as an option my guess is they will appear next week as a "wave 2 release"

I have noticed this with some of GWs bigger releases in the past (Horus Heresy for one, but also AoS 3rd and 40k 9th when they were guaranteeing inventory for all orders placed), where initial launch stock seemed to be depleted on pre-order/release but then additional waves of restocks came in 2-4 week intervals over the next ~3 months or so until supply stabilized vs demand.

 Londinium wrote:

Ashitaka wrote:
"But while these are complete lists, there are no plans to release miniatures to use them with – the rules are intended for people who already have armies in their collection."
So it looks like no MTOs for these, as expected, though some people online thought there would be.

Would be very confusing messaging if GW stated that they weren't getting ongoing support and then they sold miniatures for them.
I stand firm on my position that we will see the majority of these factions via expansions or new editions of TOW, so long as the system is a commercial success. Some might take longer than others as their AOS ranges take longer to go through a refresh, while Chaos Dwarfs will probably never get there because GW hates them.

I stand firm on my position that we will not, regardless of the commercial success of the system. I imagine that there will be a long list of new armies (beyond Kislev and Cathay) added to the game over time as well as resculpts of what are fairly extensive model ranges (those molds won't last forever, tbh the Tomb King skeleton molds are probably being pushed to their absolute limit at this point), well before they ever reach the point where its worthwhile or even necessary for them to double back on bringing in what are now squarely Age of Sigmar factions.

The Legacy PDFs are up! Our defunct armies are alive!

Hmmm, well I dont have to rebase anything in my Ogre army which is good! Means I can play it right away without having to invest in new movement trays

Dang, I guess that means they won’t even do MTO for legacy factions?

Thank the four that gifts are back which you can pick and not the random bullcrap we had at the end of 8th. More like 7th ed Army book with not as many options which I'm fine with for DoC.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Dang, I guess that means they won’t even do MTO for legacy factions?

I'm not sure why that's a surprise or disappointment, they were very clear those armies were just getting token gesture rules and left behind with no mini sales.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
I was correct.

About?

Dudeface wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Dang, I guess that means they won’t even do MTO for legacy factions?

I'm not sure why that's a surprise or disappointment, they were very clear those armies were just getting token gesture rules and left behind with no mini sales.

I was hoping they’d at least do the occasional character model. Greasus goldtooth, Krell, etc. Most of the legacy models don’t need units since AOS either still has the originals or has alternatives

 GaroRobe wrote:
Dang, I guess that means they won’t even do MTO for legacy factions?

GW were fairly up front that those factions are just not getting any Old World attention. Even if they do it won't be until a lot later after the main armies are out for the game.

That said many of them still have a lot of models for sale under the AoS banner.

I think there needs to be a pinned thread where all it says is “you’re not getting anything else for legacy factions, deal with it, get over it”.

GW literally couldn’t have been any clearer.

 nathan2004 wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
I was correct.

About?

About the PDFs going up on Monday.