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 Stormonu wrote:
I broke down and bought the Brettonia set - waiting for it arrive, and was looking over my incomplete High Elf army only to realize that GW discontinued most of the High Elf models (I guess Lumineth replaced them?). Are any of the TOW High Elf minis still sold by GW at this time?

Lumineth are Lumineth, the High Elves were pulled from Cities of Sigmar in stages since 2015, with the last few leaving the most recent Battletome to bring them back in to The Old World. None of them are currently sold at this time, but most should be back once High Elves receive their Arcane Journal, though when that might be is anyone's guess

With High Elves being in Forces of Fantsy, we can expect a re-release of their kits in the coming future for certain. Just a question of exactly when.

I suspect they'll be one of the last to come out, knowing my luck.

 Olthannon wrote:
I suspect they'll be one of the last to come out, knowing my luck.

Your luck is that good? Brilliant!

Mr_Rose wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
On the Dwarf side it would be fun to see what the last High King was like, and maybe Gotrek* before he took the Oath.


*because, considering he survived into AoS, I don’t think they can help themselves at this point…

Have a scenario - Wee Baby Gotrek's First Axe?

Listen, I’m just saying, if a suspiciously spiky-haired Votann warrior shows up out of the Cicatrix Maledictum with his personal chronicler-bot and a tragic backstory about being the last survivor of a clan hold eaten by the Tyranids, don’t be surprised.

They already did that one in Necromunda: The Vaults of Temenos.
Except there were two of them, brothers.

https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/urson-grimjarl-jardlan-nomad-hunter-2023

https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/urson-grimjarl-jardlan-nomad-hunter-2023

Having played 4 games now, with today being my first 2k game and against legacy armies - feels like the speculation about GW nerfing them before release might be right. They are missing something it feels like, almost like Warriors of Chaos.

 nathan2004 wrote:
Having played 4 games now, with today being my first 2k game and against legacy armies - feels like the speculation about GW nerfing them before release might be right. They are missing something it feels like, almost like Warriors of Chaos.

Here Vampire Counts are one of the most powerful, so...

 nathan2004 wrote:
Having played 4 games now, with today being my first 2k game and against legacy armies - feels like the speculation about GW nerfing them before release might be right. They are missing something it feels like, almost like Warriors of Chaos.

Nay, first reviews by influences who got the files ahead of time went up the second the public pdfs did, if there were last minute changes we would know.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
Having played 4 games now, with today being my first 2k game and against legacy armies - feels like the speculation about GW nerfing them before release might be right. They are missing something it feels like, almost like Warriors of Chaos.

Nay, first reviews by influences who got the files ahead of time went up the second the public pdfs did, if there were last minute changes we would know.

Mainly seemed to be a culling of allies from what people have said?

There’s definitely been reports of influencers having to do a second version of their reviews though,

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
Having played 4 games now, with today being my first 2k game and against legacy armies - feels like the speculation about GW nerfing them before release might be right. They are missing something it feels like, almost like Warriors of Chaos.

Nay, first reviews by influences who got the files ahead of time went up the second the public pdfs did, if there were last minute changes we would know.

There were some last minute changes, that's what those influencers said. But mostly pulling allies, not that dramatic.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
Having played 4 games now, with today being my first 2k game and against legacy armies - feels like the speculation about GW nerfing them before release might be right. They are missing something it feels like, almost like Warriors of Chaos.

Nay, first reviews by influences who got the files ahead of time went up the second the public pdfs did, if there were last minute changes we would know.

According to reddit, the idea that the PDFs were updated prior to release is a confirmed fact. I was told the following:

Daemons and Warriors originally could ally
Vampire Counts and Empire originally could ally
Daemons had smaller minimum unit sizes in the pre-release version
Likewise some Vampire Counts units had smaller minimum sizes originally (Spirit Hosts given as a specific example)
Ghouls units apparently had Dark Vitality at some point
Raise dead was originally d6+4 instead of 2d3
Skaven didn't originally have 0-1 hero limitations
"Mountain Minitatures" recorded first impression videos on the Legacy Armies on the pre-release PDFs and you can refer to those to get a sense of the changes (note - didn't watch it, no idea who that is, etc. This is just what I was told by reddit).

Or the ones initially sent out weren't the final version. Who here hasn't accidentally sent copy of final v2.1 instead of copy of copy of final v2.1 ?

chaos0xomega wrote:
According to reddit

Dangerous words, right up there with "hold my beer" and "of course it isn't loaded."

What's interesting about that reddit list is it doesn't even include the one change I noticed myself from Mountian's pdf reviews.

Lord Zarkov wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
A few quick questions about the current rules...

- Which rules version is the latest release close to?

- Are armies expected to be ranks of 4 or 5?

I broke down and bought the Brettonia set - waiting for it arrive, and was looking over my incomplete High Elf army only to realize that GW discontinued most of the High Elf models (I guess Lumineth replaced them?). Are any of the TOW High Elf minis still sold by GW at this time?

-It’s probably closest to 7th, though with some bits from 8th and a lot of new innovations.

-Depends on the unit type. Lighter units in 5s, heavy units in 4s and monstrous units in 3s.

Some of the "new innovations" aren't new and are rather from Warhammer Ancients.

Anyone else house ruling and allowing DoC to ally with WoC just following the normal ally rules?

Went to go pick up the TK BSB that’s on preorder right now in the US site, and every time I got to payment and hit submit it would remove it from my cart citing insufficient stock. Not showing as out of stock on the website, so of course this is just irritating. Gotta love the new web store!

 nathan2004 wrote:
Anyone else house ruling and allowing DoC to ally with WoC just following the normal ally rules?

I would probably allow Warriors to take Daemon allies, but not vice versa.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What's interesting about that reddit list is it doesn't even include the one change I noticed myself from Mountian's pdf reviews.

It wasn't necessarily a comprehensive list lol.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
Anyone else house ruling and allowing DoC to ally with WoC just following the normal ally rules?

I would probably allow Warriors to take Daemon allies, but not vice versa.

Im opposite. Legacy factions taking core allies is a non-issue for me. Core factions taking legacy allies is a backdoor for legacy stuff in core games when I'd prefer to not play with legacy stuff (to clarify - I'm ok with having games against or with legacy armies on occasion, but I'd really prefer to play core-only most of the time. Allowing core factions to take legacy allies creates potentially awkward situations where myself/others of the same mindset could be taken by surprise and have to tactfully work out how to turn down the game or ask your opponent to modify their list, etc.).

chaos0xomega wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What's interesting about that reddit list is it doesn't even include the one change I noticed myself from Mountian's pdf reviews.

It wasn't necessarily a comprehensive list lol.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
Anyone else house ruling and allowing DoC to ally with WoC just following the normal ally rules?

I would probably allow Warriors to take Daemon allies, but not vice versa.

Im opposite. Legacy factions taking core allies is a non-issue for me. Core factions taking legacy allies is a backdoor for legacy stuff in core games when I'd prefer to not play with legacy stuff (to clarify - I'm ok with having games against or with legacy armies on occasion, but I'd really prefer to play core-only most of the time. Allowing core factions to take legacy allies creates potentially awkward situations where myself/others of the same mindset could be taken by surprise and have to tactfully work out how to turn down the game or ask your opponent to modify their list, etc.).

Or, you know, figure that out beforehand.

Why would you object to legacy allies at this point anyway? They're in pretty much the same boat as all bar two factions today as it is.

 Dysartes wrote:
Why would you object to legacy allies at this point anyway? They're in pretty much the same boat as all bar two factions today as it is.

And as it is, I'm now convinced GW actually DOES have a plan for at least one of them. Why are repeater crossbows listed in the main rules when Dark Elves are the only army that uses them?

 godswildcard wrote:
Went to go pick up the TK BSB that’s on preorder right now in the US site, and every time I got to payment and hit submit it would remove it from my cart citing insufficient stock. Not showing as out of stock on the website, so of course this is just irritating. Gotta love the new web store!

Same exact issue, although it does list the preorder date as 2/10/24. I was able to pick up the TK dice from the website so that's a plus and not pay outrageous Ebay prices...

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Why would you object to legacy allies at this point anyway? They're in pretty much the same boat as all bar two factions today as it is.

And as it is, I'm now convinced GW actually DOES have a plan for at least one of them. Why are repeater crossbows listed in the main rules when Dark Elves are the only army that uses them?

Technically Nuln made some as well and they might use them for mercs if they do a book for them

Dwarves might also make some

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Why would you object to legacy allies at this point anyway? They're in pretty much the same boat as all bar two factions today as it is.

And as it is, I'm now convinced GW actually DOES have a plan for at least one of them. Why are repeater crossbows listed in the main rules when Dark Elves are the only army that uses them?

Maybe Cathay will have them? Repeating Crossbows were a legit ancient Chinese thing.

I think the Celestial Dragon Crossbows from TWW might use them.

 godswildcard wrote:
Went to go pick up the TK BSB that’s on preorder right now in the US site, and every time I got to payment and hit submit it would remove it from my cart citing insufficient stock. Not showing as out of stock on the website, so of course this is just irritating. Gotta love the new web store!

Obviously not TOW stuff, but I still have two outstanding orders from September and one from October. They are totally gonna ship, honest! Just need $5 for gas, then...

chaos0xomega wrote:

Im opposite. Legacy factions taking core allies is a non-issue for me. Core factions taking legacy allies is a backdoor for legacy stuff in core games when I'd prefer to not play with legacy stuff (to clarify - I'm ok with having games against or with legacy armies on occasion, but I'd really prefer to play core-only most of the time. Allowing core factions to take legacy allies creates potentially awkward situations where myself/others of the same mindset could be taken by surprise and have to tactfully work out how to turn down the game or ask your opponent to modify their list, etc.).

I take it you're a tournament player? Every game must count towards practice against a tournament worthy opponent?
And those GW diehards who just so happened to have invested years in the 'wrong' faction and have been booted out the old world now, can sod off?
Lovely way to split the community for the sake of following GW's tournament only rules. I expect in 40k you no longer play on 6' x 4' and only play on official 5' x 3'8 tables.
Sheesh.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
I broke down and bought the Brettonia set - waiting for it arrive, and was looking over my incomplete High Elf army only to realize that GW discontinued most of the High Elf models (I guess Lumineth replaced them?). Are any of the TOW High Elf minis still sold by GW at this time?

Lumineth are Lumineth, the High Elves were pulled from Cities of Sigmar in stages since 2015, with the last few leaving the most recent Battletome to bring them back in to The Old World. None of them are currently sold at this time, but most should be back once High Elves receive their Arcane Journal, though when that might be is anyone's guess

Lumineth are High Elves that can be copyrighted; that's literally the only difference. The aesthetic is generally the same.


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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Why would you object to legacy allies at this point anyway? They're in pretty much the same boat as all bar two factions today as it is.

And as it is, I'm now convinced GW actually DOES have a plan for at least one of them. Why are repeater crossbows listed in the main rules when Dark Elves are the only army that uses them?

Standard GW proofreading and playtesting quality.

 Vulcan wrote:

 Tim the Biovore wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
I broke down and bought the Brettonia set - waiting for it arrive, and was looking over my incomplete High Elf army only to realize that GW discontinued most of the High Elf models (I guess Lumineth replaced them?). Are any of the TOW High Elf minis still sold by GW at this time?

Lumineth are Lumineth, the High Elves were pulled from Cities of Sigmar in stages since 2015, with the last few leaving the most recent Battletome to bring them back in to The Old World. None of them are currently sold at this time, but most should be back once High Elves receive their Arcane Journal, though when that might be is anyone's guess

Lumineth are High Elves that can be copyrighted; that's literally the only difference. The aesthetic is generally the same.

Actually nothing about the Lumineth is any more nor any less protected than the High Elves. About the only difference are the names are more original and GW could easily have done what they did with 40K where they changed a few to more brand controlled names.

The whole "AoS was improving GW copyright protection over what Old World did" is something people keep saying, but honestly I don't buy it. There's just nothing inherent within AoS that offers more protection save for a product name change. Heck several armies are almost 100% Old World models and even when they've been updated they are often replaced with very similar designs.