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Most of those units have shields as an option. A model with shield and no straps, looks a lot better than a model with straps and no shield. IMNSHO.

Not Online!!! wrote:
What made you think they'd put in effort for shield straps? They couldn't even replace the horrendous baseline goblin kit.

Nothing made me think like you suggest. Never saw that box in person, and simply wanted to confirm what I was suspecting from the internet pics.

 Overread wrote:
; and GW's marketing should also shift. We might see Mordhiem or some similar concept game appear or a Killteam or something that creates those low point engagement games for people building up fresh.

We have nothing of the sort for Horus Heresy, I expect nothing of the sort for TOW.

TBH, I expect spin-offs like Warmaster or Man O War before we see low-points format support for TOW. I could see a re-release of Mordheim happening, but not necessarily one which overlaps with TOW.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
What made you think they'd put in effort for shield straps? They couldn't even replace the horrendous baseline goblin kit.

Nothing made me think like you suggest. Never saw that box in person, and simply wanted to confirm what I was suspecting from the internet pics.

As SgtEeveel suggests, it's so you could leave off the shield if for whatever reason you wanted literally the baseline unit with no upgrades.


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chaos0xomega wrote:

 Overread wrote:
; and GW's marketing should also shift. We might see Mordhiem or some similar concept game appear or a Killteam or something that creates those low point engagement games for people building up fresh.

We have nothing of the sort for Horus Heresy, I expect nothing of the sort for TOW.

That's a technically inaccurate statement when Zone Mortalis exists and there are several people who literally only play ZM Heresy.

 Platuan4th wrote:

As SgtEeveel suggests, it's so you could leave off the shield if for whatever reason you wanted literally the baseline unit with no upgrades.

I get it but still it would be nice to either have some additional hands with straps for the shields or they could go the Skaven clan rats route,
where you have straps on the shield and then they fit the hand that could otherwise be left without a shield if you prefer that option.

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chaos0xomega wrote:

 Overread wrote:
; and GW's marketing should also shift. We might see Mordhiem or some similar concept game appear or a Killteam or something that creates those low point engagement games for people building up fresh.

We have nothing of the sort for Horus Heresy, I expect nothing of the sort for TOW.

That's a technically inaccurate statement when Zone Mortalis exists and there are several people who literally only play ZM Heresy.

Eh.. I guess? Zone Mortalis isn't really a product you buy though. Its not a boxed game like Kill Team, nor is it a format backed by specific products like combat patrol.

HH is a strange beast though and has Marines who generally don't seem to need any marketing to fly off the shelves. Very few to not other game systems could take 1 single faction and create a dozen alternate designs of that same faction concept and then sell them as their own entire separate game.

(and yes I know there's a few more unique models for each marine group and non-marines in there; but at its core its 1 design concept repeated)


But you are right GW might just decide that they don't want to "push" Old World and won't worry about recruitment as much as in their core games.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I get it but still it would be nice to either have some additional hands with straps for the shields or they could go the Skaven clan rats route,
where you have straps on the shield and then they fit the hand that could otherwise be left without a shield if you prefer that option.

It would have been nice but straps were uncommon during the era when the orc kit was released. Orc Warriors, Goblins, Night Goblins, Skaven Clanrats, Skeletons, High Elf Warriors, Dark Elf Warriors, Dwarf Warriors etc all lack straps. It works for most of the models because you can't really see the hands very well behind the shields anyway.

Yeah sometimes you find that esp if you get into 3D printing where designers can put details on EVERYTHING and then you print the model and realise - oh wait that part is entirely inaccessible with a brush so that whole area will be black anyway.

Or you find that the tiny tiny detail is so tiny you have to break out a single hair brush to try painting it

Or it just ends up overly busy.


Sometimes you don't need hyper detail in all the places for a model on the tabletop


ThoughI still feel cheated that the Soulblight BloodKnights don't have any detailing under the horse body - sure its hidden mostly by the barding and such but still I'd have liked something under there instead of just flat no detail plastic.

At least they gave them a body underneath all the barding... *sighs in Rogal Dorn*

Well, I was just at my FLGS, talking to the young lady behind the counter. She said that they had sold out of the main rulebook almost instantly, and people were calling every day to see if it was back in stock.
They've still got 1 or 2 of the Brett & TK army boxes and Arcane Journals, but nothing else for TOW. No games on the store schedule yet, either.

Dammit GW, why didn’t you print enough copies of Forces of Fantasy? It’s sold out everywhere I look. ;/

 Stormonu wrote:
Dammit GW, why didn’t you print enough copies of Forces of Fantasy? It’s sold out everywhere I look. ;/

Based on the last year, they don't make enough of anything.

UK recently had a restock so perhaps another wave is heading overseas to restock there too

my local retailer got a bunch of books last week, without asking for more and more than he expects to sell and returned them to gW

looks like to be the problem is not the number of prints but again the distribution with those who need them not getting them

Local Shop here got the Rulebook and both Forces Book (one of each) but no single Army Set....

 Ohman wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I get it but still it would be nice to either have some additional hands with straps for the shields or they could go the Skaven clan rats route,
where you have straps on the shield and then they fit the hand that could otherwise be left without a shield if you prefer that option.

It would have been nice but straps were uncommon during the era when the orc kit was released. Orc Warriors, Goblins, Night Goblins, Skaven Clanrats, Skeletons, High Elf Warriors, Dark Elf Warriors, Dwarf Warriors etc all lack straps. It works for most of the models because you can't really see the hands very well behind the shields anyway.

Remember some metal sculpts had big round knobs on the arm that went into a dent at the back of the shield, to make it easier to glue it in to place I suppose. So no straps or handle but a big cylinder connecting the arm to the shield if you looked closer

 Stormonu wrote:
Dammit GW, why didn’t you print enough copies of Forces of Fantasy? It’s sold out everywhere I look. ;/

We've been over this, because they're training you to be desperate for their product

 Fayric wrote:

 Ohman wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I get it but still it would be nice to either have some additional hands with straps for the shields or they could go the Skaven clan rats route,
where you have straps on the shield and then they fit the hand that could otherwise be left without a shield if you prefer that option.

It would have been nice but straps were uncommon during the era when the orc kit was released. Orc Warriors, Goblins, Night Goblins, Skaven Clanrats, Skeletons, High Elf Warriors, Dark Elf Warriors, Dwarf Warriors etc all lack straps. It works for most of the models because you can't really see the hands very well behind the shields anyway.

Remember some metal sculpts had big round knobs on the arm that went into a dent at the back of the shield, to make it easier to glue it in to place I suppose. So no straps or handle but a big cylinder connecting the arm to the shield if you looked closer

Yes, I do remember those! And some of them actually HAD a little strap modelled on the hand, the Kevin Adams Orc Boys come to mind.

The local GW here sold out the core rulebook very quickly but still had copies of RH and FoF. The sales dude wasn’t sure when he would get more rulebooks.

Old mini game for the new times https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/14/going-full-tilt-with-a-new-twist-on-the-classic-minigame-on-warhammer/

 Fayric wrote:

 Ohman wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I get it but still it would be nice to either have some additional hands with straps for the shields or they could go the Skaven clan rats route,
where you have straps on the shield and then they fit the hand that could otherwise be left without a shield if you prefer that option.

It would have been nice but straps were uncommon during the era when the orc kit was released. Orc Warriors, Goblins, Night Goblins, Skaven Clanrats, Skeletons, High Elf Warriors, Dark Elf Warriors, Dwarf Warriors etc all lack straps. It works for most of the models because you can't really see the hands very well behind the shields anyway.

Remember some metal sculpts had big round knobs on the arm that went into a dent at the back of the shield, to make it easier to glue it in to place I suppose. So no straps or handle but a big cylinder connecting the arm to the shield if you looked closer

If you go back far enough, the shields had a hole in the middle that let them fit onto the big round knob.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Dammit GW, why didn’t you print enough copies of Forces of Fantasy? It’s sold out everywhere I look. ;/

We've been over this, because they're training you to be desperate for their product

Which will train the google fu and 3d printers...

Now where do i find decent goblin alternatives that are easily available?

Not Online!!! wrote:


Now where do i find decent goblin alternatives that are easily available?

Depends what do you count as decent but Shieldwolf savage ones are cool looking (core is hard plastic, heroes are resin) https://www.shieldwolfminiatures.com/goblins

Not Online!!! wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Dammit GW, why didn’t you print enough copies of Forces of Fantasy? It’s sold out everywhere I look. ;/

We've been over this, because they're training you to be desperate for their product

Which will train the google fu and 3d printers...

Now where do i find decent goblin alternatives that are easily available?

MyMiniFactory has ya covered - if you don't want to print yourself, there's folks selling them already printed.

My FLGS has a boxed set of Tomb Kings, and that's it - no books or other kits. Usually they've got extra copies about, but not this time. Miniature Market's all sold out as well. That's left me playing around with some army builders to get a sense of what does what, and what I need to buy/print to fill out my army (Brets, Vampires, High Elves, Lizardmen) to 1,500 points or so (with maybe some alternate extras if I want to swap out/try some stuff). I'd like to have the new books, but I'm not paying outrageous prices for them - if it comes down to it, I still have my 8E books. The new forces books seem very much like indexes and the way they did the army books having only special characters - I do NOT like and will probably skip.

For some reason, I'm having a hard time relearning this game and deciding whether to stick with 8E rules I have in full or the piecemeal portions I can access for the new. Advantages and disadvantages to both and it makes my head hurt, especially with the keywords/special abilities soup for each army.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Orcs Warriors box (one without archers) - do I see it properly (on various internet pics) that there are no straps on their shields/shield arms = you simply glue the shield to a hand?

Correct.

That sucks, I really hate when minis are like that.

All the old Warhammer kits are like that. The shields are modeled as just a shield. The left arm is modeled as just a left arm. The shield is optional so the arm doesn't have straps on it. The shield doesn't have straps on it because they hadn't thought of doing that yet.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Old mini game for the new times https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/14/going-full-tilt-with-a-new-twist-on-the-classic-minigame-on-warhammer/

Its the small things that matter!

Wonder if they will give us a roadmap at some point...

I really wish roadmaps were more of a staple of the previews. I always appreciate them and it I don't see how the ambiguity helps anyone.

I think roadmaps are becoming less and less common as fanbases prove themselves unable to handle them.

So many times a company will produce a roadmap, come back later and say the roadmap has changed or is delayed and then the "fans" go on the warpath.

Its a lot of risk without a lot of upside.