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Was there meant to be a made for order as well today? I cannot see it on the website?

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Damn was hoping that little Bugman's Cart with the xxxx pony xpress was up today for pre-order. It's pretty cute but I feel it's price won't be.

It's there though? At least for EU pre-orders. 34€, same price as Ungrim.

Btw how do people think the prices seem for the lead/pewter mail order kits?

As has I guess been the case for many Old World (re-)releases, it depends! Some seem very decent value, others acceptable, others vastly overpriced. The inconsistency is nicely exemplified here: Imperial Dwarfs 41€ for 5. Dwarf Slayers 67.50€ for 12. So 8.2 or 5.625 per model. All are single-piece castings, all metal, all troops, all of similar size. Yet one is 46% more expensive than the other.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Damn was hoping that little Bugman's Cart with the xxxx pony xpress was up today for pre-order. It's pretty cute but I feel it's price won't be.

It's there though? At least for EU pre-orders. 34€, same price as Ungrim.

Btw how do people think the prices seem for the lead/pewter mail order kits?

As has I guess been the case for many Old World (re-)releases, it depends! Some seem very decent value, others acceptable, others vastly overpriced. The inconsistency is nicely exemplified here: Imperial Dwarfs 41€ for 5. Dwarf Slayers 67.50€ for 12. So 8.2 or 5.625 per model. All are single-piece castings, all metal, all troops, all of similar size. Yet one is 46% more expensive than the other.

I still couldn't see the Bugman's cart listed for some reason but after you said it's there I did a search insite for 'bugman' and it showed up. This website is a bit hit and miss for me, frustrating at times. So yes it's there, thank you muchly for giving me the idea to search for it!

The pricings don't seem too bad considering everything on the whole I guess, for the old world re-releases but yes I gave up trying to understand the differences comparing figures, even within the same factions for the same materials used. Just doesn't add up. Anyway lucky I don't need to start a whole army from scratch, that would hurt.

I do like the idea of the dogs of war or mercenaries.

Edit for spellings

Look s like the journal is out of stock already and the cards have fully sold out.

nightwolf2040 wrote:
Was there meant to be a made for order as well today? I cannot see it on the website?

In one of the articles they said the made to order would be the day of this stuff releasing (so the 3rd?)

lost_lilliputian wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Damn was hoping that little Bugman's Cart with the xxxx pony xpress was up today for pre-order. It's pretty cute but I feel it's price won't be.

It's there though? At least for EU pre-orders. 34€, same price as Ungrim.

Btw how do people think the prices seem for the lead/pewter mail order kits?

As has I guess been the case for many Old World (re-)releases, it depends! Some seem very decent value, others acceptable, others vastly overpriced. The inconsistency is nicely exemplified here: Imperial Dwarfs 41€ for 5. Dwarf Slayers 67.50€ for 12. So 8.2 or 5.625 per model. All are single-piece castings, all metal, all troops, all of similar size. Yet one is 46% more expensive than the other.

I still couldn't see the Bugman's cart listed for some reason but after you said it's there I did a search insite for 'bugman' and it showed up. This website is a bit hit and miss for me, frustrating at times. So yes it's there, thank you muchly for giving me the idea to search for it!

Spoiler:

The pricings don't seem too bad considering everything on the whole I guess, for the old world re-releases but yes I gave up trying to understand the differences comparing figures, even within the same factions for the same materials used. Just doesn't add up. Anyway lucky I don't need to start a whole army from scratch, that would hurt.

I do like the idea of the dogs of war or mercenaries.

Edit for spellings

Glad you found it! Yeah, that website is and remains pretty garbage, in ways that continue to amaze me on a regular basis.

Do they make like 10 of the new resin minis? Every time they sell out in a flash while the older ones rarely do. Surely GW realise by now what people are buying. A four month delay after orcs should be enough time to get their manufacturing in order.

Chikout wrote:
Do they make like 10 of the new resin minis? Every time they sell out in a flash while the older ones rarely do. Surely GW realise by now what people are buying. A four month delay after orcs should be enough time to get their manufacturing in order.

New miniatures are going to be more popular than re-released ones. They'll sell out faster because no one has any.

I doubt 4 months is going to be enough time to sort out manufacturing more, scheduling production isn't really something where they can just suddenly increase it without affecting something else.

And we don't know if they did make more and they still sold out fast, anyway.

I think FW was unprepared for how popular letting you order stuff from the regular GW site was going to be. Nearly every resin, new and old, across Heresy and TOW is sold out pretty much all the time, except for things people are expecting to go plastic soon (EG the 30k vehicles).

 Arbitrator wrote:
I think FW was unprepared for how popular letting you order stuff from the regular GW site was going to be. Nearly every resin, new and old, across Heresy and TOW is sold out pretty much all the time, except for things people are expecting to go plastic soon (EG the 30k vehicles).

Seems to be exacerbated even more by the fact that not every region has been treating this the same.

AUS/NZ have "Ships from the UK" for FW products from their webstore.
The US is sent stock to sell.

Has the Bugman's Cart retconned the lore for Bugmans ale? Looking at the wiki it says that "Bugman's XXXXXX" beer was first brewed by Josef Bugman, but then the store description for the cart mentions "the famous ‘Zamnil Bugman’s XXXXXX’" and just calls that "Bugman’s XXXXXX’.

I hope we get the next faction announced soon.

Woud be ncie when the Dwarfs also could get their Stuff from the Skull Pass Starter released.

RazorEdge wrote:
I hope we get the next faction announced soon.

Woud be ncie when the Dwarfs also could get their Stuff from the Skull Pass Starter released.

I don't think the Dwarfs and Goblins can really be separated from that set. It's pretty much an all or nothing. Ideally I'd like them to do some "famous battles" boxed sets to get this and Isle Of Blood back out on the shelves.

Isle of Blood won't come back, it has Skaven.

They could do it as a split made to order for AoS Skaven and TOW High Elves. It's all in the marketing.

chaos0xomega wrote:
They could do it as a split made to order for AoS Skaven and TOW High Elves. It's all in the marketing.

Mixed sprues

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Has the Bugman's Cart retconned the lore for Bugmans ale? Looking at the wiki it says that "Bugman's XXXXXX" beer was first brewed by Josef Bugman, but then the store description for the cart mentions "the famous ‘Zamnil Bugman’s XXXXXX’" and just calls that "Bugman’s XXXXXX’.

Josef Bugman mentions in the End Times novel Rise of the Horned Rat that his mug and brew are inferior to the equivalents of his father and wishes that Throgrimm had had a chance to taste them. A slight retcon, but one that's been touched on before.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Damn was hoping that little Bugman's Cart with the xxxx pony xpress was up today for pre-order. It's pretty cute but I feel it's price won't be.

It's there though? At least for EU pre-orders. 34€, same price as Ungrim.

Btw how do people think the prices seem for the lead/pewter mail order kits?

As has I guess been the case for many Old World (re-)releases, it depends! Some seem very decent value, others acceptable, others vastly overpriced. The inconsistency is nicely exemplified here: Imperial Dwarfs 41€ for 5. Dwarf Slayers 67.50€ for 12. So 8.2 or 5.625 per model. All are single-piece castings, all metal, all troops, all of similar size. Yet one is 46% more expensive than the other.

Warhammer Community did mention last week that they needed to make new moulds after they dug out the REALLY old stuff, so there is a tiny extra cost to the Imperials over the relatively recent Slayers. Quite why the Imperial command group costs £1 more than the Slayer group when the former has a standard that is just a stick when the latter has full sculpted detail is just weird.

I picked up Bugman's Cart today so it was definitely up for order.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
They could do it as a split made to order for AoS Skaven and TOW High Elves. It's all in the marketing.

Mixed sprues

Doesn't really matter, you sell one box and sat "start a skaven army for age of signar and a high elf army for the old world to experience the best fantasy miniatures gaming games workshop has to offer".

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Has the Bugman's Cart retconned the lore for Bugmans ale? Looking at the wiki it says that "Bugman's XXXXXX" beer was first brewed by Josef Bugman, but then the store description for the cart mentions "the famous ‘Zamnil Bugman’s XXXXXX’" and just calls that "Bugman’s XXXXXX’.

Josef Bugman mentions in the End Times novel Rise of the Horned Rat that his mug and brew are inferior to the equivalents of his father and wishes that Throgrimm had had a chance to taste them. A slight retcon, but one that's been touched on before.

Is it a retcon though? Josef Bugman’s story starts when he returns home from a delivery to find the brewery looted by goblins and takes his convoy guards and the few survivors to go look for the goblins to either rescue or avenge any who were captured.
I don’t recall it ever said that he founded the brewery; indeed that makes no sense - you don’t send the master out on a journeyman’s job.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
They could do it as a split made to order for AoS Skaven and TOW High Elves. It's all in the marketing.

Mixed sprues

Doesn't really matter, you sell one box and sat "start a skaven army for age of signar and a high elf army for the old world to experience the best fantasy miniatures gaming games workshop has to offer".

There's hopium, and then there's simply delusional.

RE: Isle of Blood reissue.

If you all look at the figure spreads in the books for HE, you can see that they feature the IoB Swordmasters, Reavers & Sea Guard. This is a pretty strong indicator that these figures are going to come back. I did NOT see either the wizard or the lord on griffin models, I don't remember the sprue layouts anymore, but if those two models were shared with the Skaven sprues, then it would be feasable to repop just the HE side & sell it.

Damon.

All four of the IoB sprues were mixed.




They have recut mixed sprues before. Can't for the life of me remember what set it was, but it has been done. Probably not worth their while in this case, as aside from the weapons teams, everything else on the skaven side has just been redone.
But if they cut all the rats off and mushed the elves together onto a sprue, that'd make for a nice little start collecting type box.

They did at least cut an additional Sea Guard sprue so you could buy additional ranks of 5 to pump up the unit size IIRC.

 Snrub wrote:
They have recut mixed sprues before. Can't for the life of me remember what set it was, but it has been done. Probably not worth their while in this case, as aside from the weapons teams, everything else on the skaven side has just been redone.
But if they cut all the rats off and mushed the elves together onto a sprue, that'd make for a nice little start collecting type box.

As recently as last month GW re-cut Pious Vorne - from Blackstone Fortress - to be a solo release, when originally she'd shared a sprue with some of the other explorers in the box.

 Baragash wrote:
They did at least cut an additional Sea Guard sprue so you could buy additional ranks of 5 to pump up the unit size IIRC.

I think they might re-cut the Dark Vengeance cultists too. That might have been the kit I was thinking of.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
As recently as last month GW re-cut Pious Vorne - from Blackstone Fortress - to be a solo release, when originally she'd shared a sprue with some of the other explorers in the box.

What was she re-released as?

 Snrub wrote:
What was she re-released as?

Ministorum Priest with vindictor

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Has the Bugman's Cart retconned the lore for Bugmans ale? Looking at the wiki it says that "Bugman's XXXXXX" beer was first brewed by Josef Bugman, but then the store description for the cart mentions "the famous ‘Zamnil Bugman’s XXXXXX’" and just calls that "Bugman’s XXXXXX’.

Josef Bugman mentions in the End Times novel Rise of the Horned Rat that his mug and brew are inferior to the equivalents of his father and wishes that Throgrimm had had a chance to taste them. A slight retcon, but one that's been touched on before.

I don't quite see how what you're saying there also doesn't work with whats in the store description. If what the Bugman cart is transporting is "Zamnil's" Bugmans ale, and that's one of the most famous beers and the typical Dwarf ale for the time, then surely Thorgrimm would have had a chance to try it.

Regardless though it does sound like a retcon. If they had named the beer something else entirely that would be absolutely fine, but that it's specifically called "Bugman’s XXXXXX" and it's made by Zamnil means that Josef is no longer the one who first brewed it.