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 nathan2004 wrote:
Personally I think the battalion is the best they’ve released. Until the Cathay one drops.

They put every platic kit they have in there exept the horse cav, so its pretty good start.

Yep and honestly the deer cavalry are still some of hte best cavalry they've done. Glade Guardians are a little old but otherwise its fairly modern plastics in there so a very solid core to build from.

 Fayric wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
Personally I think the battalion is the best they’ve released. Until the Cathay one drops.

They put every platic kit they have in there exept the horse cav, so its pretty good start.

Well, they also only have four, so getting every one but one is fairly easy. I think they are lucky they don't have a chariot to shoe horn in there which they seem overly happy to do.

 Overread wrote:
Yep and honestly the deer cavalry are still some of hte best cavalry they've done. Glade Guardians are a little old but otherwise its fairly modern plastics in there so a very solid core to build from.

I think if I were a High Elf player I'd be tempted to use the archers and spearman, as they look better than the 6th Ed HE models.

Welp! Got the Arcane Journal, Cards and Warhawk riders. Yay me just adding even more to my pile...

 kodos wrote:

that more AJ's coming after all Index armies got theirs more or less clear since they dropped the "HH for Fantasy" idea.
Which itself was mentioned only before the release and a good chance that the people behind that idea or who wanted to be campaign focused not being part of the team any more (rumors were around that ~6 months before the release there was a complete new team working on it)

GW is a slow and cumbersome machine that can't pivot the focus of a major release within 6 months due to lead times on some of their products. The 'HH for Fantasy' concept was just one interview and it seems like they were always just talking about 'setting it in a historic era and being more niche in terms of support' rather than it being primarily Empire based factions.

Theres been at least two statements made about it being HH for fantasy, several years apart. Its not just a one off throwaway line.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Theres been at least two statements made about it being HH for fantasy, several years apart. Its not just a one off throwaway line.

When was the last time? GW also said they had no immediate plans for new armies before Cathay rocked up; nothing they say is a cast-iron guarantee they will stand by in perpetuity.

Cathay - marketing wise - wasn't a new army though. Cathay and Kislev were literally the 3rd bits of marketing after "here's a map of the world" and "it comes on square bases*" marketing messages.

So marketing wise even when Kislev lands its not a "new" army marketing wise. It's marketing delivering on what its already advertised. It won't be a new immediate plan for a new army.

And honestly even after Cathay I'm not sure GW can keep that nostalgia train going much longer. Sure its working, but once you've got brand new armies with whole forces of brand new models in the marketspace you are going to get pressure from old fans who want new models and from new fans who want to see new models not wonky old sculpts from the 90s that they've no connection too what so ever.

I fully expect the next big thing for Old World will be updates. HOW those updates work is up in the air - GW could do loads of campaigns where each army gets X number of updated/new models added through a narrative campaign series. They could do big launch boxes; they could dripfeed or focus on one army then another etc.. There's a lot of options and they might even vary them.
The biggest change there is I expect we'll see a LOT more focusing on purely plastic. I think Old World has the sales for that and it makes sense considering GW just hasn't got a hope at keeping resins in stock long term reliably compared to plastics. So that might be one area that - in the background - has had a lot of change and it might even be why we've seen the number of updated in resin models drop off recently.

Eg Wood Elves and Highelves didn't have any reworked resin models like we saw with TK and Brets. Granted we also didn't see those same things in the plans for the armies in the Order Force books either- but they might have been part of Arcane Journals.




*which was amusing to hear people debate if that "REALLY" meant it was coming on squares

 Shakalooloo wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Theres been at least two statements made about it being HH for fantasy, several years apart. Its not just a one off throwaway line.

When was the last time? GW also said they had no immediate plans for new armies before Cathay rocked up; nothing they say is a cast-iron guarantee they will stand by in perpetuity.

Definitely, the only real stance GW regarding old world, or any of its properties would be "We want to make money, will 100% immediately about face on any plans or statements that say somethig if it seems we can money by doing so."

I just hope we get Tilea some time soon - and not just Dogs of War, either...

So the old WE mages (notably the only horse mage) will probably be MTO?

 Daba wrote:
So the old WE mages (notably the only horse mage) will probably be MTO?

It is. The Old World Facebook page already posted what the MTO will contain.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Theres been at least two statements made about it being HH for fantasy, several years apart. Its not just a one off throwaway line.

And the context of that and what was meant by it, at least with the first time, was in terms of it being a prequel for a setting taking place in the distant past.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Daba wrote:
So the old WE mages (notably the only horse mage) will probably be MTO?

It is. The Old World Facebook page already posted what the MTO will contain.

Ah, I don't use Facebook. Was it posted further up in this thread?

I think Tilea / Estalia have a genuine chance after Kislev. It's an opportunity to do new things in the setting and they are a guaranteed money spinner.

 Olthannon wrote:
I think Tilea / Estalia have a genuine chance after Kislev. It's an opportunity to do new things in the setting and they are a guaranteed money spinner.

Gw would need to fix infantry first, and Especially for tilea and estalia, investigate pike formations.

I feel like adding more new armies after Kisleve and Cathay would be a mistake. Better to go back to armies with a lot of old models and start adding into them - they'll become almost akin to "new armies" for new fans and such and generate loads of sales to those people who have now completed their nostalgic army and want it modernised after seeing all those cool new armies coming out.

It would be great if they did more flavour campaigns instead of just new armies.
I would like for them to make campaign book focus on historical events, with rules for specialaized armies.

I want books with narrative, maps and lots of pics of heavily converted armies and inspiration for creative scenery.

The AJs contain the narrative, most (but not all) of the ones released so far share an ongoing narrative.

GW can 100% do narrative campaign books with new models/updated models. They've done it many times before between editions.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ck4pqjsu/sunday-preview-change-comes-to-the-mortal-realms-and-the-brayherds-raid-the-old-world/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WH_25th_May_Preview_&utm_content=&utm_term=

No Preyton?! Also hard to tell mto high elves from wood elves lmao. Guessing these are from 6th?

Sometimes things Preyton could be in another wave or just slipped the net on this post. It's one massive chunky release though!

All the Beastmen, a bunch of WE and HE models - the first two are WE the rest are HE made to order. Along with the most derpy faced horses ever for both


Also neat to see the plastic Hera is coming for Middle Earth - feels like GW are doing a huge catch-up clean/slate before getting into the summer release schedule.

Also, the Centigor model from Mordheim!

 nathan2004 wrote:


No Preyton?! Also hard to tell mto high elves from wood elves lmao. Guessing these are from 6th?

The high elves are different eras, with the unicorn guy really old, the foot mages pretty old, and the guy with dual blades is from warhammer quest. The rest Im not sure about but most are from 5th edition i think.
I wonder why they include the guy with spear and shield -he is a strangely large model compared to the others, and utterly bland, absolutely no bling or fancy bits -he is just a large spearman with a cloak.

Honestly there's likely a bit of "whatever we can get just sell it" going on since its mining the nostalgia mine they might as well throw out whatever they've got, esp for the Made to Order which is really focused on just people collecting models and such.

I'm actually very excited about the ancient MTO High Elves from different eras. I never should have parted with the Warhammer Quest Elven Ranger.

Honestly if it didn't cost almost £70 I'd have grabbed one of the WE animal packs - always felt like something that was missing from their army for ages so very pleased to see it back. If I ever work through my backlog to a point I can justify another army I might just pick them up along with more WE

Glad to see the 6th Edition HE Heroes released alongside the Lustria Campaign book return, even if it's only temporary. Fantastic sculpts that still hold up today:



I think the (bottom left) Hero with Longbow and Sword was released in 7th, under the collectors range.

Also another curious observation - neither of the two special edition Wood Elf Battle Standard Bearers are part of the core release nor MTO. There was the Games day one and the army box one - I'd have thought we'd have got at least one of them considering how core that concept is to the old world army rosters in general

the Mordheim Centigor coming back is unexpected and awesome!

Yay, beastmen are finally back. Stupid treehuggers releasing out of turn..
Going to get a bunch of Lord n heroes and patiently wait for preyton and BSB to arrive. Kinda bummed they are not in wave 1.