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I don't think its GW reacting at all - Norsca and the Chaos armies of the Old World are already well established viking/northern barbarian themed elements.

Chaos always came from the north in the Old World for the most part - its more GW just returning Slaves to Darkness to a more northern barbarian design instead of a more "conan" inspired design that steadily crept into Slaves to Darkness esp as they moved to Age of Sigmar

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I was refering to the fact that the old chaos barbarians look terrible and are 20 years old, while the Mantic Northern Tribes people look way better and are cheaper.

Chaos Marauders cost 70 Euro per Box!
   
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How much more are the new ones going to cost i wonder.
   
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My assumption is 55 Euro per 20 models.
   
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 Astmeister wrote:
I was refering to the fact that the old chaos barbarians look terrible and are 20 years old, while the Mantic Northern Tribes people look way better and are cheaper.

Chaos Marauders cost 70 Euro per Box!


I sincerly doubt Mantic is big and threatening enough that GW feels it has to react to its moves.

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 streetsamurai wrote:
 Astmeister wrote:
I was refering to the fact that the old chaos barbarians look terrible and are 20 years old, while the Mantic Northern Tribes people look way better and are cheaper.

Chaos Marauders cost 70 Euro per Box!


I sincerly doubt Mantic is big and threatening enough that GW feels it has to react to its moves.


Also, if Mantic announced in September, then this is the fastest turn around for GW to move production forward that we have ever seen. Finished making new sculpts, mold, manufacture, paint, photograph and make an armybook. This was definitely already on their way. Most likely Mantic heard about GWs schedule and tried to rush theirs out first.

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The Northern Alliance miniatures are not from september this year? Or are you refering to the new KoW edition.
The game (KoW) is certainly not a competition for GW anymore.
   
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Like all GW production stuff like this starts years in advance. Like 2-3 years, sometimes 4.

I doubt they released this in response to Mantic. Not to sound like the meme too much but I think GW response to other companies is mostly "I don't think of you at all."

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I for one subscribe to the theory that these are a response to the AoS and Old world lines being split. We wouldnt have gotten them if Darthoath marauders were being sold for both, but I'm happy to have so much choice in marauders, and honestly, they mix and match well enough for my tastes
   
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Porsenna wrote:
I for one subscribe to the theory that these are a response to the AoS and Old world lines being split. We wouldnt have gotten them if Darthoath marauders were being sold for both, but I'm happy to have so much choice in marauders, and honestly, they mix and match well enough for my tastes


Exactly. Plus they might have been in development or concept ( up to a point) for other projects.

Eg they could have been for a warcry warband and when the split came they got moved over; more poses and such added to the set to beef them up to a full release. It might even be why Warcry suddenly stalled on releases.

Or they were developed as concepts for the new marauders and weren't used so they got brought out of partial production and finished off so the initial design part was done.

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 Astmeister wrote:
The Northern Alliance miniatures are not from september this year? Or are you refering to the new KoW edition.
Varangur coming with 4th were announced in September

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Like all GW production stuff like this starts years in advance. Like 2-3 years, sometimes 4.
I doubt they released this in response to Mantic. Not to sound like the meme too much but I think GW response to other companies is mostly "I don't think of you at all."

same for Mantic, hence both releasing an asian themed army at the same time is a coincidence at best and not a quick reaction on either line
But Mantic has now new line for northern barbarians, elves and dwarfs in the pipeline, and if GW always comes up with the same army but a little bit earlier there would be pattern

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If these are the new Marauders, I hope the base size across the entire list isn't 30mm. Having St3 T3 Marauders on 30mm bases puts them at a real disadvantage. They were upgraded to 25mm bases with the Old World change over, they don't need to go 5mm bigger.

Also hoping for the option for some smaller types of Marauders, so the army isn't so uniformly big. There's got to be some surely who don't get to eat meat for every meal and have a set of weights to train with every day.
   
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 Fenriswulf wrote:
They were upgraded to 25mm bases with the Old World change over, they don't need to go 5mm bigger.


Again, no they weren't. They've been on 25s since 6th.

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Ahhh whoops, my mistake. Well, regardless, St3 T3 on a 30mm base is not good.
   
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 Astmeister wrote:
My assumption is 55 Euro per 20 models.


They come with 1 command group per 10, so I would not at all be surprised to see them only in boxes of 10. Hopefully GW wouldn't be so silly, but I wouldn't put it past them.
   
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Nothing for Old World infantry wise has been released in 10's. Even the newest Cathay infantry is a 20-man.

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 Hulksmash wrote:
Nothing for Old World infantry wise has been released in 10's. Even the newest Cathay infantry is a 20-man.


And I'm hoping the trend continues, but shudder at what the box price might be for a box of 20. Definitely getting this box so as not to have to worry about it!
   
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 Overread wrote:
I wonder if some of those new rules might be some kind of norsca based subfaction? Cause those look very much like Norsconian inspired "totally not viking raider" models.

Even if Norsca themselves aren't around (either in the game timeline point or in the game); it sets the seed for the chaos forces being very much based in the northern reaches.


The War-Com info on the new journal is quite informative:
"this new softback supplement goes into detail about the warrior tribes of Norsca, the four primordial spirits and how they worship them, and Frydaal the Chainmaker’s invasion of the Westerland."

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It'll probably describe the tribal versions of the Chaos gods, like Tchar, Loesh and so on. Doubtless reprinting stuff from the 5th edition Realm of Chaos book, which first described the Marauder tribes.
   
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On another forum someone pointed out that the Marauders on foot have the same base width as the Horsemen, which are on 30 x 60mm bases. So... Primaris Marauders?
   
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It'll probably describe the tribal versions of the Chaos gods, like Tchar, Loesh and so on. Doubtless reprinting stuff from the 5th edition Realm of Chaos book, which first described the Marauder tribes.

Or possibly Hound/Eagle/Crow/Serpent from TWW.

I like that this gives nice choice though. The default for TOW is strongly Norscan, but the AoS Darkoath are available if people want a more Kurgan vibe.
   
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 Fayric wrote:
 Overread wrote:
I wonder if some of those new rules might be some kind of norsca based subfaction? Cause those look very much like Norsconian inspired "totally not viking raider" models.

Even if Norsca themselves aren't around (either in the game timeline point or in the game); it sets the seed for the chaos forces being very much based in the northern reaches.


The War-Com info on the new journal is quite informative:
"this new softback supplement goes into detail about the warrior tribes of Norsca, the four primordial spirits and how they worship them, and Frydaal the Chainmaker’s invasion of the Westerland."


That probably should have filled out the last Chaos Warriors Arcane Journal - maybe given us some named people other than their single leading champion etc. They seem to be really stretching out the content.

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Lord Zarkov wrote:
 Shakalooloo wrote:
It'll probably describe the tribal versions of the Chaos gods, like Tchar, Loesh and so on. Doubtless reprinting stuff from the 5th edition Realm of Chaos book, which first described the Marauder tribes.

Or possibly Hound/Eagle/Crow/Serpent from TWW.

That's from the 5th ed Realm of Chaos.

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I hope they don't go too mundane with them. The models are great, but the tribes still worship supernatural forces, get possessed, get daemons etc. Hopefully there's a good balance between the two.

   
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I think that "Vikings living their normal Viking lives but also subtly influenced by chaos gods" is more interesting and grounded than "Vikings that literally live in coo-coo chaos land, living a hall made of bones and have fights to the death for breakfast every day"
   
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... but they do live in coo coo chaos land? The lands of norsca are plagued by mutant abominations, and the people have a much higher rate of mutation than southerners.

IMO it's more interesting to see the intersection of those people trying to live in that environment, rather than being all mutant all the time or just the tv show Vikings brought to life.

I'm looking forward to what interesting things they'll add to the army - the empire gets mutant demigrypyhs, I think the tribes living in the shadow of chaos would get something at least as ferocious.

   
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chaos warhounds? chaos dragons? chaos spawn? mantciores/chimera? Im not understanding what you're missing here.

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chaos warhounds? chaos dragons? chaos spawn? mantciores/chimera? Im not understanding what you're missing here.


I mean most of those have either 20+ year old models and look bad (like the old marauders), or are a 20+ year old model of a named character (chaos dragons) - to the point that if you look at how people are making their chaos dragons you would think that like 1 in 5 Ionus Cryptborns sold were for chaos dragons. Plus would be a nice way to give the Norscan tribes an identity beyond Warriors of Chaos - showing them with their own beasties or modern sculpts of some of the older ones etc. The main way we are seeing this stuff now is from the old Forge World kits - ie Skinwolves and Warpfire Dragons.

That said I'd honestly prefer seeing their identity OUTSIDE of chaos. Give us the chaos aspects of their culture, but also show what else they are up to - show us a civilization etc, show us some of their old gods that fell by the wayside when they were forced into the north, still acknowledged in some pockets and old traditions, etc. Like obviously you can't show all of that in the models, but I hope the lore part of the new book digs into all this stuff.
   
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Iirc they worshipped the old gods that the empire and kislev do - Taal, Ulric etc. It seems that those gods are pretty universal throughout the humans in the old world.

   
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I'm really hoping for a massive new centrepiece model for this army, having trouble thinking what could be added from the current range to fit the aesthetic and quality. Belakor or King Brodd I suppose but I'd prefer something a bit more beastlike.

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