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I hope they add in Hung and Mung as marauder units.

Preferably with warbows, so that we may have finally something other than thrown random gak and the hellcannon.

Agreed, I think it is time that they allowed bows back into Chaos forces. They can keep it Norsca specific, that's fine, but so long as they're allowed to have them again.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Agreed, I think it is time that they allowed bows back into Chaos forces. They can keep it Norsca specific, that's fine, but so long as they're allowed to have them again.

When did they have bows in a chaos warriors list last? Exept for a limited few beastmen units i dont recall any chaos shooty unit.

 Fayric wrote:

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Agreed, I think it is time that they allowed bows back into Chaos forces. They can keep it Norsca specific, that's fine, but so long as they're allowed to have them again.

When did they have bows in a chaos warriors list last? Exept for a limited few beastmen units i dont recall any chaos shooty unit.

Chaos Thugs used to be able to have bows. That was pretty much their niche.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Agreed, I think it is time that they allowed bows back into Chaos forces. They can keep it Norsca specific, that's fine, but so long as they're allowed to have them again.

When did they have bows in a chaos warriors list last? Exept for a limited few beastmen units i dont recall any chaos shooty unit.

Chaos Thugs used to be able to have bows. That was pretty much their niche.

I think 35 years is long enough for the "Chaos don't have missile troops" thing to become an established part of their style…

I think a faction with eh name *chaos* should probably give you as many options as you can imagine...

Greenfield wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Agreed, I think it is time that they allowed bows back into Chaos forces. They can keep it Norsca specific, that's fine, but so long as they're allowed to have them again.

When did they have bows in a chaos warriors list last? Exept for a limited few beastmen units i dont recall any chaos shooty unit.

Chaos Thugs used to be able to have bows. That was pretty much their niche.

I think 35 years is long enough for the "Chaos don't have missile troops" thing to become an established part of their style…

And entirely irrelevant, seeing as a shootingphase beeing an important tactical part in a wargame and not beeing able to partake is an issue regardless of how you slice it.

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
Upscaling to get people to rebuy armies they already have as well as appeal to the new fanbase. Typical GW. I'll wait until people start trying to hock their 6th Ed. Marauders on ebay to finish my last few units.

Mate plenty of us have been here long enough to have grey hair, some older models just aren't that great when you take of the nostalgia goggles. Not to say you *must* take them off, nostalgia is a perfectly valid motivation, but not everything GW produced back then is on the level of classics like the metal Longbeards and Ironbreakers just because it came out in the same era.

Here's the deal. Do the 6th Ed. Marauders count as Marauders in your games? Yes? Then there's no real motivation for swapping out other than "The New IPhone 78" syndrome. Hell, I argue that the old hooded 5th Ed. Wood Elves are a damn sight better than the bark faced ones from 6th, and a hell of a lot easier to rank, which is kind of the point of the game. Upscaling lead to rebasing, and we've already seen how THAT went for people.

Theres "The New IPhone 78" syndrome and then theres "These 23 year old plastics were ugly when released and the new ones look much better".

People buy stuff because they, surprisingly, like how it looks.

Well have to see, thats true, what scale they are. If they dwarf the classic chaos warriors it will be a little meh.

Those barbarians are a fantastic update, but they will make the older chaos units stand out like a sore thumb.

Porsenna wrote:
I think a faction with eh name *chaos* should probably give you as many options as you can imagine...

Maybe, but it's not the tack GW have taken. I think Chaos going without missile troops is distinctive and part of their identity; I don't see it changing, or being a significant downside.

It’s their traditional tactical deficiency. Absolutely rock in combat, powerful but often risky magic. Naff all ranged support.

Which is why the Hellcannon never sat right with me. Not only was it “suddenly you’ve an artillery piece”, but also “and it’s one of the best in the game at range. And is way too dangerous to rely on standard anti-artillery strategies, like Fast Cavalry, Skirmishers and Light Fliers”.

I accept I’m probably just being an Old Grump, but it felt very much like “here, have a massive crutch”.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s their traditional tactical deficiency. Absolutely rock in combat, powerful but often risky magic. Naff all ranged support.

Which is why the Hellcannon never sat right with me. Not only was it “suddenly you’ve an artillery piece”, but also “and it’s one of the best in the game at range. And is way too dangerous to rely on standard anti-artillery strategies, like Fast Cavalry, Skirmishers and Light Fliers”.

I accept I’m probably just being an Old Grump, but it felt very much like “here, have a massive crutch”.

Although it could also start eating your own army IIRC?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s their traditional tactical deficiency. Absolutely rock in combat, powerful but often risky magic. Naff all ranged support.

Which is why the Hellcannon never sat right with me. Not only was it “suddenly you’ve an artillery piece”, but also “and it’s one of the best in the game at range. And is way too dangerous to rely on standard anti-artillery strategies, like Fast Cavalry, Skirmishers and Light Fliers”.

I accept I’m probably just being an Old Grump, but it felt very much like “here, have a massive crutch”.

And we have the hung and mung and now cathay. soooo?

Also hellcannon mostly sucked overall.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s their traditional tactical deficiency. Absolutely rock in combat, powerful but often risky magic. Naff all ranged support.

Which is why the Hellcannon never sat right with me. Not only was it “suddenly you’ve an artillery piece”, but also “and it’s one of the best in the game at range. And is way too dangerous to rely on standard anti-artillery strategies, like Fast Cavalry, Skirmishers and Light Fliers”.

I accept I’m probably just being an Old Grump, but it felt very much like “here, have a massive crutch”.

And we have the hung and mung and now cathay. soooo?

Also hellcannon mostly sucked overall.

I had fun with it back in the day - even when it caused all my characters to miscast.

At least it was a close combat fighter as much as an artillery piece (I enjoyed it for the above too).

The Warpfire Dragon now has that role, though is a bigger chunk of investment.

New Marauders confirmed to be on 30mm bases

Well to everyone who built Marauder units on 25mm bases using the new Darkoath models....I'm sorry.

I recommend just using a movement tray with appropriate spacers and not rebasing, because this is annoying.

Greenfield wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Agreed, I think it is time that they allowed bows back into Chaos forces. They can keep it Norsca specific, that's fine, but so long as they're allowed to have them again.

When did they have bows in a chaos warriors list last? Exept for a limited few beastmen units i dont recall any chaos shooty unit.

Chaos Thugs used to be able to have bows. That was pretty much their niche.

I think 35 years is long enough for the "Chaos don't have missile troops" thing to become an established part of their style…

Say it with me: "Dogs Of War"


You can even make them Chaos models to fit in theme. I intend to have a unit of Ungor bowmen to act as Halfling Bowmen in my games of 6th, and will be doing Marauder Crossbowmen as well.

Sudden thought occurred to me: they're releasing new models for Chaos when they haven't finished re-releasing all the old ones yet; where are my Forsaken?

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Sudden thought occurred to me: they're releasing new models for Chaos when they haven't finished re-releasing all the old ones yet; where are my Forsaken?

Truly living up to their name

Vargheist wrote:
New Marauders confirmed to be on 30mm bases

Good news for scaling vs Warriors tho, it means they're smaller than that comparison photoshop

I wanted to get the mounted marauders at one time. Much better than the old ones on foot IMO.

What do you’ll think they revealing next week at the championships for old world? Sky is the limit now so it could literally be anything imo.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Sudden thought occurred to me: they're releasing new models for Chaos when they haven't finished re-releasing all the old ones yet; where are my Forsaken?

I was hoping beyond hope they'd be in Old World, but now I'm pretty sure we're completely forsook.

 nathan2004 wrote:
What do you’ll think they revealing next week at the championships for old world? Sky is the limit now so it could literally be anything imo.

Probably another chaos model, in a perfect world it'd be Kislev so I can finally commit to an army and play the game.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Vargheist wrote:
New Marauders confirmed to be on 30mm bases

Good news for scaling vs Warriors tho, it means they're smaller than that comparison photoshop

How so? I haven't seen the photo in question, but if the base was scaled to 25mm, and has to be increased in size to scale it to 30mm, the Marauder on top of it will also get bigger…

 Just Tony wrote:

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
Upscaling to get people to rebuy armies they already have as well as appeal to the new fanbase. Typical GW. I'll wait until people start trying to hock their 6th Ed. Marauders on ebay to finish my last few units.

Mate plenty of us have been here long enough to have grey hair, some older models just aren't that great when you take of the nostalgia goggles. Not to say you *must* take them off, nostalgia is a perfectly valid motivation, but not everything GW produced back then is on the level of classics like the metal Longbeards and Ironbreakers just because it came out in the same era.

Here's the deal. Do the 6th Ed. Marauders count as Marauders in your games? Yes? Then there's no real motivation for swapping out other than "The New IPhone 78" syndrome. Hell, I argue that the old hooded 5th Ed. Wood Elves are a damn sight better than the bark faced ones from 6th, and a hell of a lot easier to rank, which is kind of the point of the game. Upscaling lead to rebasing, and we've already seen how THAT went for people.

The motivation is thinking the new ones look better. If people didn't see that as important they'd just play the game with printed card chits instead of minis. Often new releases don't look *enough* better than old ones(heck these days they often look worse) to justify the time and effort of replacement, but a lot of people had no affection at all for the old potato-men and used them because they were what was available.

Heck first GW boxed set I got had a cardboard gargant in it. 100% fully "legit model for the table"


But yeah ultimately getting new stuff comes from a few drives

1) It looks better
2) The style is different and more appealing
3) It's the only thing sold now and OOP ones cost even more/are very hard to source new
4) The desire to keep building the army is still there
5) Desire to support the current army
6) Enjoy building/painting stuff not just playing etc..


IT can be any one or more of those and more reasons too. There is some old stuff that really stands the test of time well and there is some that doesn't. Heck even now there's a few models I can think of that I'd really like to see GW replace because since they've done them their talent and also style (not always the same thing) has grown and I think they'd do a way better job now.


Also note some talent isn't at the sculpting level alone; better parting and tooling means creatives can do designs today that were unthinkable 20 years ago.

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