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Apart from Malus Darkblade, did they do any decent books set outside of the Empire?

 Fayric wrote:
Apart from Malus Darkblade, did they do any decent books set outside of the Empire?

Lots Some suggestions:

Nagash trilogy - great if you are into Tomb Kings and want to know the history of their greatest enemy, the individual cities culture and the origin of the Vampires
https://www.blacklibrary.com/series/time-of-legends/nagash-the-sorcerer-ebook.html

Neferata = what she did after she fled Lahmia
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/neferata-ebook.html

The Sundering
Morathi and how Malekith became what he is and the civil war of the Elves
https://www.blacklibrary.com/series/time-of-legends/malekith-ebook.html

The Gotrek and Felix novels take you across the world

Tyrion and Teclis novels
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/warhammer-chronicles-tyrion-and-teclis-omnibus-ebook.html

Masters Of Steel And Stone - stories of the Dawi
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/warhammer-chronicles:-masters-of-steel-and-stone-(omnibus).html

The War of Vengeance - the tragedy of the Elf/Dwarf war
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/wc-war-of-vengeance-ebook.html

Wild Kingdoms
A search for a lost merchants daughter takes explorers to the lands of the Ogres where she has made her home
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/wild-kingdoms-ebook.html

Vorian wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Models are awesome but the splitting up of the rules across small and often half full paged Journals is not good at all - How many books will you need for a Cathay army now...

What are you expecting them to do?

Release all kits at once?
Not release a book until the final wave?
Release books with units they aren't going to announce for several months?

Also worth remembering that every Journal has units for which they are never making models for and they vague ideas for representing and don't even both to show conversions with their own models

Do they have any units that aren't "use this head on this body" or "swap these arms onto these models"?

 Mr Morden wrote:

Vorian wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Models are awesome but the splitting up of the rules across small and often half full paged Journals is not good at all - How many books will you need for a Cathay army now...

What are you expecting them to do?

Release all kits at once?
Not release a book until the final wave?
Release books with units they aren't going to announce for several months?

Also worth remembering that every Journal has units for which they are never making models for and they vague ideas for representing and don't even both to show conversions with their own models

Having units in the roster that don’t have a dedicated kit is actually a good thing though. Finally no model = no rules policy has fallen off at least in one of the systems (that I know of)

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Apart from Malus Darkblade, did they do any decent books set outside of the Empire?

Lots Some suggestions:

Nagash trilogy - great if you are into Tomb Kings and want to know the history of their greatest enemy, the individual cities culture and the origin of the Vampires
https://www.blacklibrary.com/series/time-of-legends/nagash-the-sorcerer-ebook.html

Neferata = what she did after she fled Lahmia
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/neferata-ebook.html

The Sundering
Morathi and how Malekith became what he is and the civil war of the Elves
https://www.blacklibrary.com/series/time-of-legends/malekith-ebook.html

The Gotrek and Felix novels take you across the world

Tyrion and Teclis novels
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/warhammer-chronicles-tyrion-and-teclis-omnibus-ebook.html

Masters Of Steel And Stone - stories of the Dawi
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/warhammer-chronicles:-masters-of-steel-and-stone-(omnibus).html

The War of Vengeance - the tragedy of the Elf/Dwarf war
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/wc-war-of-vengeance-ebook.html

Wild Kingdoms
A search for a lost merchants daughter takes explorers to the lands of the Ogres where she has made her home
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/wild-kingdoms-ebook.html

And at least one of the Thanquol novels. Day of the Demon also partly takes place in Ind. Tiger Beastmen for the win!

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Having units in the roster that don’t have a dedicated kit is actually a good thing though. Finally no model = no rules policy has fallen off at least in one of the systems (that I know of)

So what you're saying is that they aren't actually splitting the lists into journals just for the "no model, no rules" isn't it. Which just leaves the "mo' money" option.

I think the only entry without a model is Kiknik Toofsnatcha?

Perhaps Droggz da Sunchompa was intended to be him before the internal split, perhaps not. Don't think we'll ever know why he didn't get a model.

 Albertorius wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Having units in the roster that don’t have a dedicated kit is actually a good thing though. Finally no model = no rules policy has fallen off at least in one of the systems (that I know of)

So what you're saying is that they aren't actually splitting the lists into journals just for the "no model, no rules" isn't it. Which just leaves the "mo' money" option.

Not what I said, but you arrived to the point all by yourself
More money. Drip feeding excitement, to make the game closer to game as a service (in a sense that the company doesn’t want to have lull periods for a game they wish to keep expanding upon).
If it was 1 army at a time before, updates once per edition once in 4 years with a little extra sprinkled in, now the updates are more rapid.
I think 2 books for Cathay would have been better, like every other army. Initial launch, finish the spread a few month later to finish and diversify the roster.


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Vorian wrote:
I think the only entry without a model is Kiknik Toofsnatcha?

Perhaps Droggz da Sunchompa was intended to be him before the internal split, perhaps not. Don't think we'll ever know why he didn't get a model.

Probably usurped by the AoS version.

There are entries that have “cousins” jn AoS (all types of squigs for example)
Beastmen AJ has warped gors,
Wood elves have lumberjacks
I think most of the armies don’t have close to all the combos of Character X Mount
Or mounts at all - Chaos dragon. Manticore
Chaos trolls, ogres, ect

 Albertorius wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Having units in the roster that don’t have a dedicated kit is actually a good thing though. Finally no model = no rules policy has fallen off at least in one of the systems (that I know of)

So what you're saying is that they aren't actually splitting the lists into journals just for the "no model, no rules" isn't it. Which just leaves the "mo' money" option.

It’s more money yes, but from an ‘optimising the sale of the miniatures’ angle, not a ‘money on books’ angle.

The units in AJs with no models are ones they expect you to convert, not ones they ever intend to sell models for.

The new Cathay stuff they all intend to make models for, so we’re not getting rules until the models are ready and those will be fed out in batches so as not to overwhelm either buyers or production capacity (noting they’ve a number of ranges to cover.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Apart from Malus Darkblade, did they do any decent books set outside of the Empire?

Lots Some suggestions:

Thanks, might try to get hold of some Elf/Dwarf action. Those shorties always cause trubble.

Vorian wrote:
I think the only entry without a model is Kiknik Toofsnatcha?

Perhaps Droggz da Sunchompa was intended to be him before the internal split, perhaps not. Don't think we'll ever know why he didn't get a model.

What? There are loads of them in all the journals like Lion Guard, Chracian Woodsmen for the high elf one

 Mr Morden wrote:

Vorian wrote:
I think the only entry without a model is Kiknik Toofsnatcha?

Perhaps Droggz da Sunchompa was intended to be him before the internal split, perhaps not. Don't think we'll ever know why he didn't get a model.

What? There are loads of them in all the journals like Lion Guard, Chracian Woodsmen for the high elf one

Both of those entries have a "how to represent the unit in your games" box in the book.

Vorian wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Vorian wrote:
I think the only entry without a model is Kiknik Toofsnatcha?

Perhaps Droggz da Sunchompa was intended to be him before the internal split, perhaps not. Don't think we'll ever know why he didn't get a model.

What? There are loads of them in all the journals like Lion Guard, Chracian Woodsmen for the high elf one

Both of those entries have a "how to represent the unit in your games" box in the book.

But they don't have models - which is my point - there is a vague suggestion - paint em a different colour etc

But they have where to buy the models in the book, they (presumably) will never release a kit for them so there are no lost sales to 3rd parties that they wouldn't have lost anyway.

It is not the same as putting an entry into a book for models they will release in 6 months. That is a guaranteed way to needlessly bleed sales for your future release.

Think Cathay levies will be WS2?

Not impossible but I’d be more concerned with their leadership. Cathay is already a point down on most Empire bods, but they make up for it with the Lanterns acting as secondary generals. But that does probably mean you really don’t want your levies out on their own.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Not impossible but I’d be more concerned with their leadership. Cathay is already a point down on most Empire bods, but they make up for it with the Lanterns acting as secondary generals. But that does probably mean you really don’t want your levies out on their own.

Finally a use for the Golden Lion magic item introduced in the second book? (re-rolls for Panic, Rally, etc.) &

I am never going to financial recover from this

That is a loooot of metal!!

Thankfully I'm safe too, but yeah that's going to be a lot of stuff for some big fans to get some squads in one go!

A friend of mine brought a 40 block of old orc metal warriors to a game.
He put it on a scale and it weight about 5 kg.

May grab a unit or two of those Archers.

NOOOOOOO!

Please, this is going to be too expensive for me. I already have 15 of those archers and most of the command groups...but the Captains and the Halberds I need to complete my collection!

Well at least it wasn't the old Reikguard models. Then I would most definitely be bankrupt.

This is basically my reaction as well.

It wrinkles my brain that any point, GWs CEO can just go: "Let the forges of Nottingrad run hot" and they melting pewter in the bowels of HQ again at no notice.

They likely still have the machines. When you’re doing a strictly limited run on a strictly limited selection of models, and not constantly maintaining a large range of different models?

It’s probably fairly cost effective,

Yep plus those tend to have 3-6 months delivery estimation windows. So even if they get huge orders they typically have enough time to cast them all.

The only real risk is a mould breaking before time and without enough orders after to justify making another one or if the master was already lost/damaged. Happened with the Morathi on Pegasus recast.


And yeah GW likely held onto all the casting machines so they can just spin these up again. Heck considering how volatile the market on materials is chances are its best for them to just hold onto the gear long term. You never know one government group could go hard on banning plastics

Plus, they're already casting metals again full time with TOW.

Astmeister wrote:A friend of mine brought a 40 block of old orc metal warriors to a game.
He put it on a scale and it weight about 5 kg.

So, about as much as one 40K old-style Marine Dreadnaught.

Are we thinking the Chaos Mauraders reinforcement box will come out in December? Or after the new year?

I need to save up!