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SamusDrake wrote:
Oh, they forgot to add something for Tyranids...

"Yeah, its alright, you can take Screamer-Killers if you really want to."

Considering the constant mention of allowing things with 5 Wounds in the PDF and the reduction of attacks for certain characters, there's obviously stat limits built into the core rules for the mode.

Anyone else noticed that the Agents of the Imperium rules in the pdf mentions Adeptus arbites troops units? There were some people who were doubting the silhoutte of the shield dude but this confirms 100% that the model in question will be an Adeptus Arbites squad member of a larger unit.

I was a huge fan of City Fight back in the day, so boarding actions is very much inline with how I prefer to play 40K. It is also good to see that GW is supporting this format over the next couple books, so it is not just a one and done with the first book. I am hopeful that there is enough interest locally that people pick-up the format as I would like to play it.

The only thing I have seemed to miss is a recommended point size. I may have breezed over it. *Correction* 500 points. Found it upon second reading!

 Platuan4th wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Oh, they forgot to add something for Tyranids...

"Yeah, its alright, you can take Screamer-Killers if you really want to."

Considering the constant mention of allowing things with 5 Wounds in the PDF and the reduction of attacks for certain characters, there's obviously stat limits built into the core rules for the mode.

LOL, it would be a hilarious massacre if 3 Screamer-Killers were let lose in such a game, with a gang of Hormagants holding back "its all right, guys! we're right behind you all of the way!"

Might be stretching on this one, but notice how in the Space Marines rules it allows you take a LOW as long as it’s a Primarch. It didn’t specifically just say Guilleman, just Primarch.
Another slight confirmation that the Lion is in fact coming soon?

 bullyboy wrote:
Might be stretching on this one, but notice how in the Space Marines rules it allows you take a LOW as long as it’s a Primarch. It didn’t specifically just say Guilleman, just Primarch.
Another slight confirmation that the Lion is in fact coming soon?

The Daemon Primarchs have the Primarch keyword, too.

EDIT: Okay, yeah, I know you mentioned it's in the Space Marines section, but is it unusual to see keywords generalised in this way when there are other examples elsewhere in the game? I'm not sure. Might just be how they write the rules nowadays.

 bullyboy wrote:
Might be stretching on this one, but notice how in the Space Marines rules it allows you take a LOW as long as it’s a Primarch. It didn’t specifically just say Guilleman, just Primarch.
Another slight confirmation that the Lion is in fact coming soon?

Good spot. The plot thickens.

They also use the HORMAGAUNT Keyword instead of specifying the Hormagaunt unit. Do you think maybe they're planning on releasing a new type of Hormagaunt!?

 bullyboy wrote:
Might be stretching on this one, but notice how in the Space Marines rules it allows you take a LOW as long as it’s a Primarch. It didn’t specifically just say Guilleman, just Primarch.
Another slight confirmation that the Lion is in fact coming soon?

When they updated the Supreme Command detachment for 9th calls out Primach as a unit type, but we haven’t seen The Lion yet. I wouldn’t hold my breathe.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Oh, they forgot to add something for Tyranids...

"Yeah, its alright, you can take Screamer-Killers if you really want to."

Considering the constant mention of allowing things with 5 Wounds in the PDF and the reduction of attacks for certain characters, there's obviously stat limits built into the core rules for the mode.

LOL, it would be a hilarious massacre if 3 Screamer-Killers were let lose in such a game, with a gang of Hormagants holding back "its all right, guys! we're right behind you all of the way!"

Did you even read the article? The chart doesn't allow Heavy Supports.

 Rihgu wrote:
They also use the HORMAGAUNT Keyword instead of specifying the Hormagaunt unit. Do you think maybe they're planning on releasing a new type of Hormagaunt!?

Just saw a rumour about that somewhere else; specifically that some kind of enhanced hormagaunt would be unleashed soon. Not sure what to make of that though.

There had to have been a better way to organise list creation than that nightmare web of exceptions and caveats, no?

Every third line of this document makes me go "But, why?".

"You can include a Sisters Repentia unit if their unit size is either 4 or 9." - But why? What's wrong with a unit of 7?

"You can include a Custodian Wardens unit if its Starting Strength is 3 or 6 models." - But why? Why not a unit of 4?

"You can only upgrade one Aspect Warriors unit in your army to have an Exarch Power." - But why?

"You cannot include more than one model equipped with a balefire tome..." - But why?

"You cannot include Brood Brothers units in your Boarding Patrol." - But why?

"Solitaire models cannot be given an Enhancement or upgraded to have a Pivotal Role." - But why?

"You can include one Fast Attack slot, but only if it is a Canoptek Scarab Swarms unit (even though it has the Fly keyword) or an Ophydian Destroyers unit." - But why not Wraiths? You'd think something that can phase through matter would be useful in a boarding situation.

"You can include up to two units of Meganobz in your army." - And meanwhile, Chaos are limited to 5-man Possessed, and Sisters have to bring set number Repentia and Archo units. Who wrote this?

"If you include a Hellblaster Squad unit, it can only have a Starting Strength of 5 models – additional models cannot be added to it." - But why?

"You cannot upgrade any models in your army to have any Prototype System upgrades." - But why?

"You cannot upgrade any models in your army to have any Legion Command upgrades." - But why?

"You cannot include both a Zoanthropes and a Venomthropes unit." - Wait... what???

 Platuan4th wrote:


Did you even read the article? The chart doesn't allow Heavy Supports.

You do understand that it was a comical thought, right?

Of course they're not going to have screamer killers in an infantry-based mode - they'd murder everything else!

 alextroy wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Might be stretching on this one, but notice how in the Space Marines rules it allows you take a LOW as long as it’s a Primarch. It didn’t specifically just say Guilleman, just Primarch.
Another slight confirmation that the Lion is in fact coming soon?

When they updated the Supreme Command detachment for 9th calls out Primach as a unit type, but we haven’t seen The Lion yet. I wouldn’t hold my breathe.

Don't have any of my books to hand - do Magnus and Mortarion have PRIMARCH or DAEMON PRIMARCH as keywords?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There had to have been a better way to organise list creation than that nightmare web of exceptions and caveats, no?

Every third line of this document makes me go "But, why?".

"You can include a Sisters Repentia unit if their unit size is either 4 or 9." - But why? What's wrong with a unit of 7?

"You can include a Custodian Wardens unit if its Starting Strength is 3 or 6 models." - But why? Why not a unit of 4?

"You can only upgrade one Aspect Warriors unit in your army to have an Exarch Power." - But why?

"You cannot include more than one model equipped with a balefire tome..." - But why?

"You cannot include Brood Brothers units in your Boarding Patrol." - But why?

"Solitaire models cannot be given an Enhancement or upgraded to have a Pivotal Role." - But why?

"You can include one Fast Attack slot, but only if it is a Canoptek Scarab Swarms unit (even though it has the Fly keyword) or an Ophydian Destroyers unit." - But why not Wraiths? You'd think something that can phase through matter would be useful in a boarding situation.

"You can include up to two units of Meganobz in your army." - And meanwhile, Chaos are limited to 5-man Possessed, and Sisters have to bring set number Repentia and Archo units. Who wrote this?

"If you include a Hellblaster Squad unit, it can only have a Starting Strength of 5 models – additional models cannot be added to it." - But why?

"You cannot upgrade any models in your army to have any Prototype System upgrades." - But why?

"You cannot upgrade any models in your army to have any Legion Command upgrades." - But why?

"You cannot include both a Zoanthropes and a Venomthropes unit." - Wait... what???

The squad size stuff is something to do with the way boarding patrols break down into smaller units; basically everyone gets combat squads, whether they want it or not.

The rest are, hopefully, balance restrictions and playability changes. I also suspect that things like prototype systems will get boarding-only versions much like the relics are.

 Dysartes wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Might be stretching on this one, but notice how in the Space Marines rules it allows you take a LOW as long as it’s a Primarch. It didn’t specifically just say Guilleman, just Primarch.
Another slight confirmation that the Lion is in fact coming soon?

When they updated the Supreme Command detachment for 9th calls out Primach as a unit type, but we haven’t seen The Lion yet. I wouldn’t hold my breathe.

Don't have any of my books to hand - do Magnus and Mortarion have PRIMARCH or DAEMON PRIMARCH as keywords?

Magnus and Mortarion have the DAEMON PRIMARCH keyword, soon to be joined by Angron. RG remains the lone PRIMARCH in 40K.

Not that I don't expect The Lion some time in the future. Last I heard in the background is that he had awaken from his slumber beneath The Rock.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Might be stretching on this one, but notice how in the Space Marines rules it allows you take a LOW as long as it’s a Primarch. It didn’t specifically just say Guilleman, just Primarch.
Another slight confirmation that the Lion is in fact coming soon?

Good spot. The plot thickens.

Plot twist! It's actually Corax! The Summer of Ravens is coming!

Voss wrote:
It also seems to bizarrely downplay how stupidly big 40k ships are, especially Space Hulks. Its another lore mismatch, because we absolutely know there hallways big enough for tanks and large open spaces big enough for full scale battlefields.

Ah yes. "Here's new way to play. It's same as old".

Maybe you could consider playing those boarding battles in full scale battlefields with...I don't know...normal rules? If you are fighting in hulk in where it's big enough then what's the difference playing with normal rules?

There's no point making rules for different enviroment if the rules is same as normal. There's no need to make rules for fighting in huge areas of space hulk if the rules are just normal. Or you want different cover art for rulebook?


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Dirk wrote:
Anyone else noticed that the Agents of the Imperium rules in the pdf mentions Adeptus arbites troops units? There were some people who were doubting the silhoutte of the shield dude but this confirms 100% that the model in question will be an Adeptus Arbites squad member of a larger unit.

Technically it could be something else with arbites coming lot later(daemon codex had rule reference that actually make only sense now with world eater army of renown). Though yeah odds of pic being arbites is like 99.9999999999999999999999999% now.


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 alextroy wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Might be stretching on this one, but notice how in the Space Marines rules it allows you take a LOW as long as it’s a Primarch. It didn’t specifically just say Guilleman, just Primarch.
Another slight confirmation that the Lion is in fact coming soon?

When they updated the Supreme Command detachment for 9th calls out Primach as a unit type, but we haven’t seen The Lion yet. I wouldn’t hold my breathe.

Mortarion isn't Primach? Magnus isn't Primach?

Difference here being supreme commander was available to multiple armies with Primach. This document section is for one(so far). It doesnt' apply to Magnus & Mortarion.


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 alextroy wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Might be stretching on this one, but notice how in the Space Marines rules it allows you take a LOW as long as it’s a Primarch. It didn’t specifically just say Guilleman, just Primarch.
Another slight confirmation that the Lion is in fact coming soon?

When they updated the Supreme Command detachment for 9th calls out Primach as a unit type, but we haven’t seen The Lion yet. I wouldn’t hold my breathe.

Don't have any of my books to hand - do Magnus and Mortarion have PRIMARCH or DAEMON PRIMARCH as keywords?

Magnus and Mortarion have the DAEMON PRIMARCH keyword, soon to be joined by Angron. RG remains the lone PRIMARCH in 40K.

Not that I don't expect The Lion some time in the future. Last I heard in the background is that he had awaken from his slumber beneath The Rock.

KEYWORDS: CHARACTER, MONSTER, DAEMON, PRIMARCH,

It's not DAEMON PRIMARCH. It's DAEMON, PRIMARCH

Otherwise they couldn't be put to supreme commander by being PRIMARCH ;-)

While the current incarnation of the list-building rules seem a tad capricious, I have to give GW credit for the intent behind this.

Like the concept, even if the execution is a bit rough around the edges right now. Hope there's still some editing being done.

 schoon wrote:
While the current incarnation of the list-building rules seem a tad capricious, I have to give GW credit for the intent behind this.

Like the concept, even if the execution is a bit rough around the edges right now. Hope there's still some editing being done.

Umm...Editing? Now? You expecting them to be released in fall?

tneva82 wrote:

 schoon wrote:
While the current incarnation of the list-building rules seem a tad capricious, I have to give GW credit for the intent behind this.

Like the concept, even if the execution is a bit rough around the edges right now. Hope there's still some editing being done.

Umm...Editing? Now? You expecting them to be released in fall?

No, I think hes hoping that in the next two arks books they will refine these rules, expand them, patch things, etc.

Or at least, I assume hes aware these rules are on pre order this week

What codex or book would I buy/acquire to get the rules for the "Agents of the Imperium" on the Boarding Actions PDF thing it shared on Warhammer Community?

I 100% want to do Arbites for it but still need the rules/points for the other available units in that listing.

 Rogzor87 wrote:
What codex or book would I buy/acquire to get the rules for the "Agents of the Imperium" on the Boarding Actions PDF thing it shared on Warhammer Community?

I 100% want to do Arbites for it but still need the rules/points for the other available units in that listing.

The book Warzone Octarius Book 1: Rising Tide has most of the datasheets for Agents of the Imperium such as inquistors, acolytes, etc.

The Voids man at arms and the Navy Breachers are PDFs (all Kill Teams get PDF dataslates for 40k after the Kill Team release).

The Arbites will be released as PDFs for 40k sometime after the Kill Team release.

wiserhipponinjas wrote:


The book Warzone Octarius Book 1: Rising Tide has most of the datasheets for Agents of the Imperium such as inquistors, acolytes, etc.

The Voids man at arms and the Navy Breachers are PDFs (all Kill Teams get PDF dataslates for 40k after the Kill Team release).

The Arbites will be released as PDFs for 40k sometime after the Kill Team release.

Awesome thank you. Yeah just wanted to see what other HQ/troop/elite options it has to make a list.

tneva82 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Might be stretching on this one, but notice how in the Space Marines rules it allows you take a LOW as long as it’s a Primarch. It didn’t specifically just say Guilleman, just Primarch.
Another slight confirmation that the Lion is in fact coming soon?

When they updated the Supreme Command detachment for 9th calls out Primach as a unit type, but we haven’t seen The Lion yet. I wouldn’t hold my breathe.

Don't have any of my books to hand - do Magnus and Mortarion have PRIMARCH or DAEMON PRIMARCH as keywords?

Magnus and Mortarion have the DAEMON PRIMARCH keyword, soon to be joined by Angron. RG remains the lone PRIMARCH in 40K.

Not that I don't expect The Lion some time in the future. Last I heard in the background is that he had awaken from his slumber beneath The Rock.

KEYWORDS: CHARACTER, MONSTER, DAEMON, PRIMARCH,

It's not DAEMON PRIMARCH. It's DAEMON, PRIMARCH

Otherwise they couldn't be put to supreme commander by being PRIMARCH ;-)

I got that backwards in my mind. I was always wondering why they called out DAEMON PRIMARCH along with PRIMARCH when the applicable units were DAEMON, PRIMARCH?

 Rogzor87 wrote:

Awesome thank you. Yeah just wanted to see what other HQ/troop/elite options it has to make a list.

You don't need any others. Agents of the Imperium can plug+play into any Imperium lists.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Rogzor87 wrote:

Awesome thank you. Yeah just wanted to see what other HQ/troop/elite options it has to make a list.

You don't need any others. Agents of the Imperium can plug+play into any Imperium lists.

Yes, but as per the PDF they also seem to have tried to weld them together into a single force under an inquisitor. Such as making Acolytes troops if an inquisitor is at the head, you can take a single assassin regardless of what else is going on in the list, and you can seemingly include the other Agents of the Imperium squad units in the list as well as acolytes.

It's kinda janky, and reminds me of late 7ths "agents of the Imperium" codex, but it does exist. On other notes, the Jokero is looking spicy in this mode, as it hands out free rerolls and packs a weapon with two profiles, essentially a 6-shot intercessor rifle, and 1 shot S8, AP -3, Damage 3 cannon shot. On a t3/s3/2A/3W platform for 20pts. In a mode where a lot of factions heavy weapons are gone due to the Force Org, this could be handy.

They tried no such thing. It's "Agents of the Imperium". What it's doing is not new nor really surprising. The biggest thing seems to be that they don't want to let you game the system with an Inquisitor and a bunch of character Acolytes, hence the mandate of the min squad size of 5 for the Troops choice that the Inquisitor brings along.

Please take a few moments and actually read the PDF and the article it was linked from.
HQs aren't mandatory. They literally set up a way for you to grant yourself enhancements without needing a character leading your force if you chose to run "pure" Arbites.

New Battle Brother leaks, courtesy of Auspex Tactics on Youtube:




tldw:

- Only 1 BB (Battle brother) detachment per faction.
- No overall purity protection, you only keep your doctrine if their are already some rules in your codex to do so (ex: harlequin travelling players, free dreadblade, etc...)
- No two big faction BB (ex: Imperial Guard and Space Marines; Thousand Sons and Death Guard; Aeldar and Drukari)
- Space Marines can take one knight, one agent of the imperium or one Votan !
- Guard can only take scions
- CSM is limited to deamons, TS and DG to Tzeentch and Nurgle.
- Belacor is the only one who can take 2 BB ! Corvus Knight and CSM.
- Aelves can only take Harlequins.
- Genestealer Cults can only take Brood Brothers super heavy, patrol or auxiliary support.

One loss is that admech can't take a mechanicus house knight any more, it has to be a freeblade if I read that right. It also doesn't mention % limitations or other shenanigans that GSC and chaos see, so safe to assume it's whatever is printed in the codex for those.