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2023/01/02 22:09:40
Subject: How do people in the UK feel about Americans trying to imitate Orks with improper cockney accents?
From what I can gather, it sounds like the gist of what OP is asking is whether representing the "dumbness" of orks via improper/butchered British accent is offensive to them or not.
The only examples of "dumb" orks I can think of from fantasy sources are Warhammer and peons from Warcraft series. Orks aren't typically portrayed as dumb, muscular zombies, but as ferocious humanoid beasts that live for battle and carnage.
Having said, if you're adding British accent to your ork role playing to add character, by all means go for it. But if you're doing it to piss off a British opponent, that's on you to decide.
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2023/01/02 22:11:54
Subject: How do people in the UK feel about Americans trying to imitate Orks with improper cockney accents?
The thing is, the UK has yokels and Yorkshiremen, who are closer in concept to American Rednecks.
Pffft, we Yorkshiremen aren't merely a concept, we are indeed common as muck and thick as 2 short planks often, but I'm not sure we're quite in yeehawww-ing land there.
2023/01/02 22:22:39
Subject: How do people in the UK feel about Americans trying to imitate Orks with improper cockney accents?
Britain is odd for having so many accents in such a tiny area. They can even vary within a city. Edinburgh not only has a pretty standard of slightly “posh” Scots accent, but the exceptionally “posh” Morningside accent.
Liverpool and Birmingham are a piffling 99 miles apart by car, yet the accents are completely different. Liverpool pretty much border Wales, which again has a totally different accent. West Country has a distinct accent, but I guess like Scots accents you’d need a local to tell you if there’s a difference between the Counties and Towns in that neck of the woods.
London of course is and always has been a melting pot of accents. The traditional cockney/east end accent spread out into the Home Counties following slum clearences, to be replaced in its origin streets by curious mash up accents as folks from different cultural backgrounds intermingled. Which of course lead to new slang terms.
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: Well, as Orks are supposed to be football hooligans, wouldn't American Orks just be jocks/incredibly enthusiastic sports fans? Or are those better behaved than their British counterparts?
Somewhat?
At the time orks were created, their was a lot of organised gang violence associated with football. they were mostly inner city urban poor, and would organise into "firms" around their teams. they would travel with the football crowds, and seek out each other for a good old fashioned street brawl. The actual football was almost secondary for a lot of them, a convenient delineator of friend and foe, us and them. theyd be armed with various hand weapons that they could smuggle into the stadiums, and tended to dress in then fashionable punk styles (so lots of leather, spikes, and checker patterns)
it these types that the playfully violent, often chanting, melee loving orks of 40K were born form.
Does American sports have something simmilar?
on the topic of bad american imitations of a UK accent: sure, why not, its not actually mocking said accent. If you were doing it to insult or cause offence to english people, thats wrong, but your not, so crack on.
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2023/01/03 01:23:49
Subject: How do people in the UK feel about Americans trying to imitate Orks with improper cockney accents?
Also - space wolves in my mind are all damned bloody glasweigans. Or scots at the least.
They're unquestionably Norse?! Maybe Shetlanders or Orcadians at a push but I don't get the connection to any mainland Scots.
I don't think trying to map 70s and 80s UK football casuals and firms onto US populations is very meaningful.
As to the question, is the OP asking whether people might find it offensive it the same way as people doing, say, a Mickey Rooney Breakfast at Tiffany's kind of accent? If so I don't think so - because Orks are not really written with an accent. They're written with an exaggerated vernacular belonging to a particular set of (interregional) communities. Basically it's English football chant language - but you can have that used by Londoners, Liverpudlians, Brummies, or whatever.
2023/01/03 13:17:25
Subject: How do people in the UK feel about Americans trying to imitate Orks with improper cockney accents?
Also - space wolves in my mind are all damned bloody glasweigans. Or scots at the least.
They're unquestionably Norse?! Maybe Shetlanders or Orcadians at a push but I don't get the connection to any mainland Scots.
I don't think trying to map 70s and 80s UK football casuals and firms onto US populations is very meaningful.
As to the question, is the OP asking whether people might find it offensive it the same way as people doing, say, a Mickey Rooney Breakfast at Tiffany's kind of accent? If so I don't think so - because Orks are not really written with an accent. They're written with an exaggerated vernacular belonging to a particular set of (interregional) communities. Basically it's English football chant language - but you can have that used by Londoners, Liverpudlians, Brummies, or whatever.
Definitely not Highlands and Islands. Those are quite “soft” accents with a lyrical quality.
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