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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 silverstu wrote:
Have you tried to build one recently? The carapace does not line up at all..although yes id rather not get the Ork Boys treatment.

I literally have over a dozen of them. Never had a problem building one.

Well you've had better luck than me then last few I've done have had issues lining up the spore chimneys and the back carapace. but its a great kit for the variety of builds and conversion opportunities.Plenty of space on the frames though so they could recut it to add new biomorphs. Could still enable quad armed fexes if they continue to box them as pairs - one pair each or two pairs of guns on one model.

The mention of the Screamer Killer specifically sounds to me like it's an easy to build kit in the release set to counter the marine dread.

I'm mostly invested in my Votann at the moment and the prospect of a second wave of them is more exciting but interested to see what these new Nids look like.

A single ETB Screamer Killer would be welcome...

SamusDrake wrote:
A single ETB Screamer Killer would be welcome...

It would make sense, since GW has done a few ETB kits for each side that tie into the starter for the last 2 releases.

 silverstu wrote:


I'm mostly invested in my Votann at the moment and the prospect of a second wave of them is more exciting but interested to see what these new Nids look like.

I can relate to this so much. I have been a huge fan of Nids for decades but the stale designs drifted me away.
Votann on the other hand make me happy.

Newest AoO Tarot Card:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/arks-of-omen/

The Knight - Palador - He stands defiant, his blade reflecting the Light of a poisoned sky.

That doesn't look like a Blood Angel to me.

 Geifer wrote:
That doesn't look like a Blood Angel to me.

'Palador'...

A 'Paladin' is mostly known as a sacred knight or monk-knight nowadays, but originally 'Paladin' meant a Knight with special privileges that lived at or near the palace of the -roman- Emperor on Mons Palatinus. Later on, in medieval literature, a 'Paladin' meant specifically a Knight of the round table in Arthurian Legend, or one of the 12 servants in the most inner circle of King Charlemagne in the Chanson de Geste.

Dude has the sterotypical Dark Angels wings on his helmet too.....so obviously Blood Angels. The monster looks like a lion as well.

This pretty much confirms Lion to me. There would be so much wailing, gnashing, rending etc (and maybe some DA bonfires) if they don't do it. Wouldn't be wise to generate such ill feeling with no upside that I can see.

Weren't the knights of Old Caliban monster slayers?

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Weren't the knights of Old Caliban monster slayers?

Yep, they were.

The card is very vague, outside of the winged helmet which does suggest it could be the Lion.

All the text hints at though is that someone defies Vashtor/Whatever the Key unlocks.

Based on the original prophecy text...I think it could be Abaddon as that seems like he's the person dreaming in that (as it's from the perspective of someone finding and using the Key).

It talks about them having doubts and feeling like they're being used, so maybe the plan goes through, he realizes he's been tricked, and tries to stop it.

I hope it's something like that...but at this point I think it might actually be The Lion, unfortunately.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The card is very vague, outside of the winged helmet which does suggest it could be the Lion.

All the text hints at though is that someone defies Vashtor/Whatever the Key unlocks.

Based on the original prophecy text...I think it could be Abaddon as that seems like he's the person dreaming in that (as it's from the perspective of someone finding and using the Key).

It talks about them having doubts and feeling like they're being used, so maybe the plan goes through, he realizes he's been tricked, and tries to stop it.

I hope it's something like that...but at this point I think it might actually be The Lion, unfortunately.

Maybe I'm just too tired to read you right, but are you saying book five could be Abaddon: The Sequel?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The card is very vague, outside of the winged helmet which does suggest it could be the Lion.

All the text hints at though is that someone defies Vashtor/Whatever the Key unlocks.

Based on the original prophecy text...I think it could be Abaddon as that seems like he's the person dreaming in that (as it's from the perspective of someone finding and using the Key).

It talks about them having doubts and feeling like they're being used, so maybe the plan goes through, he realizes he's been tricked, and tries to stop it.

I hope it's something like that...but at this point I think it might actually be The Lion, unfortunately.

Abaddon would be interesting, as it picks up stuff that has been said on the back of book one, and would mean more character development for him into some sort of anti-hero, which has been hinted at for some time.

The book blurb, from AoO: Abaddon, in question:

The Great Rift has torn the Emperor's realm in two. Ancient alien empires rise from the ashes of prehistory to claw at the dying stars. Predatory nightmares boil from the outer darkness, while everywhere the veil of reality wears thin and the flames of war rise ever higher. Day by day, battle upon battle, the galaxy careens ever closer to total annihiliation.

From amidst the growing anarchy and prophecies of a final ending rise those who would deny the last darkness and, in so doing, seize victory for themselves. Greatest amongst these is Abaddon the Despoiler. Forging an infernal pact with a dread new ally, he unleashes the mighty Arks of Omen and their rapacious Balefleets upon the Imperium Sanctus and the Imperium Nihilus alike.

Striking at world after world, the Arks ignite fresh conflagrations of war wherever their shadows fall. Humans, aliens, and even Abaddon's heretical rivals fight back against these nightmare war fleets wherever they can - but there is a darker and more insidious purpose to the attacks of the Arks of Omen, and time is not their ally...

Abaddon would normally not the first person you'd have in mind when it's about 'denying the darkness', final or otherwise.

 Geifer wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The card is very vague, outside of the winged helmet which does suggest it could be the Lion.

All the text hints at though is that someone defies Vashtor/Whatever the Key unlocks.

Based on the original prophecy text...I think it could be Abaddon as that seems like he's the person dreaming in that (as it's from the perspective of someone finding and using the Key).

It talks about them having doubts and feeling like they're being used, so maybe the plan goes through, he realizes he's been tricked, and tries to stop it.

I hope it's something like that...but at this point I think it might actually be The Lion, unfortunately.

Maybe I'm just too tired to read you right, but are you saying book five could be Abaddon: The Sequel?

Sort of? I'm saying I think it would be more interesting if it was Abaddon or some similar unexpected character who ends up stopping The Key and Vashtor, rather than a quite bland (and to me, detrimental to 40k) "The Lion shows up and the Imperium gets a new superhero and he solves it".

That the Dreamer in the original prophecy starts to express doubts about what he's doing with gathering the Key, thinks he's being used, and questions what is really going on, implies that the Dreamer could potentially change his mind and hence be "The Knight".

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The card is very vague, outside of the winged helmet which does suggest it could be the Lion.

All the text hints at though is that someone defies Vashtor/Whatever the Key unlocks.

Based on the original prophecy text...I think it could be Abaddon as that seems like he's the person dreaming in that (as it's from the perspective of someone finding and using the Key).

It talks about them having doubts and feeling like they're being used, so maybe the plan goes through, he realizes he's been tricked, and tries to stop it.

I hope it's something like that...but at this point I think it might actually be The Lion, unfortunately.

Maybe I'm just too tired to read you right, but are you saying book five could be Abaddon: The Sequel?

Sort of? I'm saying I think it would be more interesting if it was Abaddon or some similar unexpected character who ends up stopping The Key and Vashtor, rather than a quite bland (and to me, detrimental to 40k) "The Lion shows up and the Imperium gets a new superhero and he solves it".

That the Dreamer in the original prophecy starts to express doubts about what he's doing with gathering the Key, thinks he's being used, and questions what is really going on, implies that the Dreamer could potentially change his mind and hence be "The Knight".

Notably, Abaddon would also fit 'The Child' very well, since he is also Fatherless, and literally from the Sons of Horus... and if it really is some sort of redemption arc, as a traitor that betrayed the traitors he would also be utterly alone, as the Imperium would not exactly welcome him back with open arms.

Gw will keep abbadon to be the villain in saturday cartoon players wanted with "evoving story".

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The card is very vague, outside of the winged helmet which does suggest it could be the Lion.

All the text hints at though is that someone defies Vashtor/Whatever the Key unlocks.

Based on the original prophecy text...I think it could be Abaddon as that seems like he's the person dreaming in that (as it's from the perspective of someone finding and using the Key).

It talks about them having doubts and feeling like they're being used, so maybe the plan goes through, he realizes he's been tricked, and tries to stop it.

I hope it's something like that...but at this point I think it might actually be The Lion, unfortunately.

Abaddon would be interesting, as it picks up stuff that has been said on the back of book one, and would mean more character development for him into some sort of anti-hero, which has been hinted at for some time.

The book blurb, from AoO: Abaddon, in question:

The Great Rift has torn the Emperor's realm in two. Ancient alien empires rise from the ashes of prehistory to claw at the dying stars. Predatory nightmares boil from the outer darkness, while everywhere the veil of reality wears thin and the flames of war rise ever higher. Day by day, battle upon battle, the galaxy careens ever closer to total annihiliation.

From amidst the growing anarchy and prophecies of a final ending rise those who would deny the last darkness and, in so doing, seize victory for themselves. Greatest amongst these is Abaddon the Despoiler. Forging an infernal pact with a dread new ally, he unleashes the mighty Arks of Omen and their rapacious Balefleets upon the Imperium Sanctus and the Imperium Nihilus alike.

Striking at world after world, the Arks ignite fresh conflagrations of war wherever their shadows fall. Humans, aliens, and even Abaddon's heretical rivals fight back against these nightmare war fleets wherever they can - but there is a darker and more insidious purpose to the attacks of the Arks of Omen, and time is not their ally...

Abaddon would normally not the first person you'd have in mind when it's about 'denying the darkness', final or otherwise.

To me that further supports the idea of Abaddon potentially realizing he made a mistake after they Key is put together and used (which, the card last week suggests happens). I think that would be so much more interesting to have him as an anti-hero with this event than just it being solved because The Lion because Primarchs are just the best, have to be involved in everything significant, and they should be the ones to solve all the big stuff. Couldn't have a normal character stop Vashtor!

Since I haven't read the books (I'm not inclined to spend money on end of edition campaign books, especially after Psychic Awakening proved me right in this policy), is the narrative set up to actually get a conclusion? Psychic Awakening didn't have that and was only there to set up the next edition. Or something. I'm not actually sure we ever found out what Psychic Awakening was supposed to be. Gathering Storm I seem to remember kind of had something like that by at least letting Girlyman get to Terra to see dad.

So from a point of ignorance I could see book five focus on Lionel's return and getting us to the new status quo of 10th ed and still spend some time giving Abby a bit of a conclusion to position him for next edition's developments? Doesn't seem mutually exclusive.

About getting another superhero character, I mean, what else is going to happen? That's just modern 40k.

Mentlegen324 wrote:

To me that further supports the idea of Abaddon potentially realizing he made a mistake after they Key is put together and used (which, the card last week suggests happens). I think that would be so much more interesting to have him as an anti-hero with this event than just it being solved because The Lion because Primarchs are just the best, have to be involved in everything significant, and they should be the ones to solve all the big stuff. Couldn't have a normal character stop Vashtor!

If Abaddon is 'the Knight', the knight standing among the cinders on the field of victory and 'crying amber tears' could be a lot more literal than we thought. Also, it could be alluding to the weirdness with Abaddons eyes.

Geifer wrote:Since I haven't read the books (I'm not inclined to spend money on end of edition campaign books, especially after Psychic Awakening proved me right in this policy), is the narrative set up to actually get a conclusion? Psychic Awakening didn't have that and was only there to set up the next edition. Or something. I'm not actually sure we ever found out what Psychic Awakening was supposed to be. Gathering Storm I seem to remember kind of had something like that by at least letting Girlyman get to Terra to see dad.

So from a point of ignorance I could see book five focus on Lionel's return and getting us to the new status quo of 10th ed and still spend some time giving Abby a bit of a conclusion to position him for next edition's developments? Doesn't seem mutually exclusive.

About getting another superhero character, I mean, what else is going to happen? That's just modern 40k.

Six books, not five - there is the sixth volume that's gonna be serialized in WD, and is said to be 'some sort acting as an epilogue' - i'm most interested in if the do a 'surprise' Tarot card for the sixth book in two week's time, because i could swallow book five being 'Abaddon: Regrets' much more easily if the Lion is snuck out in their super-secret additional hexagramma-tome.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Mentlegen324 wrote:

To me that further supports the idea of Abaddon potentially realizing he made a mistake after they Key is put together and used (which, the card last week suggests happens). I think that would be so much more interesting to have him as an anti-hero with this event than just it being solved because The Lion because Primarchs are just the best, have to be involved in everything significant, and they should be the ones to solve all the big stuff. Couldn't have a normal character stop Vashtor!

If Abaddon is 'the Knight', the knight standing among the cinders on the field of victory and 'crying amber tears' could be a lot more literal than we thought. Also, it could be alluding to the weirdness with Abaddons eyes

I hadn't considered that and that's interesting, but that line is then followed by the "Circle inside a Circle" line, so I don't think that could be referring to Abaddon unless they're out of order. I had assumed the Knight referred to their would be Azrael because of the Rock being heavily damaged or something like that.

I really like the Lion, always have done. Him and a PTSD Russ after so long in the Eye of Terror with the whole of a crazed 13th company are the only loyal Primarchs I could ever really stomach returning tbh because it was feasible in some capacity (others are also I suppose), G-Man was died by all senses of the word, The Lion has just been in a slumber.

Anyway, as much as I do like the Lion, and would be happy for his return, I would also massively enjoy if GW has absolutely played us all like a fiddle and it wasn't him returning.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Couldn't have a normal character stop Vashtor!

If you want a "normal" character to stop Vashtorr, you can rule Abaddon out as well. Nothing about ol' Chaos Sue can be said to be "normal".

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I really like the Lion, always have done. Him and a PTSD Russ after so long in the Eye of Terror with the whole of a crazed 13th company are the only loyal Primarchs I could ever really stomach returning tbh because it was feasible in some capacity (others are also I suppose), G-Man was died by all senses of the word, The Lion has just been in a slumber.

Anyway, as much as I do like the Lion, and would be happy for his return, I would also massively enjoy if GW has absolutely played us all like a fiddle and it wasn't him returning.

I always have that crazy idea of GW doing something with the possibility of 'Sharding' the Primarchs, and so having their cake and eating it too: Old Man Russ coming back as a figure alike to Odin, but his beastial Wulfen aspect still being at large somewhere in the Warp. A pale shadow of what the Khan used to be returning from the webway, after the Drukhari have taken their toll on him...

Tsagualsa wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I really like the Lion, always have done. Him and a PTSD Russ after so long in the Eye of Terror with the whole of a crazed 13th company are the only loyal Primarchs I could ever really stomach returning tbh because it was feasible in some capacity (others are also I suppose), G-Man was died by all senses of the word, The Lion has just been in a slumber.

Anyway, as much as I do like the Lion, and would be happy for his return, I would also massively enjoy if GW has absolutely played us all like a fiddle and it wasn't him returning.

I always have that crazy idea of GW doing something with the possibility of 'Sharding' the Primarchs, and so having their cake and eating it too: Old Man Russ coming back as a figure alike to Odin, but his beastial Wulfen aspect still being at large somewhere in the Warp. A pale shadow of what the Khan used to be returning from the webway, after the Drukhari have taken their toll on him...

That would be a lot more interesting than another godlike superhero to save the imperium and defeat all the bad guys because imperium is the star of the show

Tsagualsa wrote:

Spoiler:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The card is very vague, outside of the winged helmet which does suggest it could be the Lion.

All the text hints at though is that someone defies Vashtor/Whatever the Key unlocks.

Based on the original prophecy text...I think it could be Abaddon as that seems like he's the person dreaming in that (as it's from the perspective of someone finding and using the Key).

It talks about them having doubts and feeling like they're being used, so maybe the plan goes through, he realizes he's been tricked, and tries to stop it.

I hope it's something like that...but at this point I think it might actually be The Lion, unfortunately.

Maybe I'm just too tired to read you right, but are you saying book five could be Abaddon: The Sequel?

Sort of? I'm saying I think it would be more interesting if it was Abaddon or some similar unexpected character who ends up stopping The Key and Vashtor, rather than a quite bland (and to me, detrimental to 40k) "The Lion shows up and the Imperium gets a new superhero and he solves it".

That the Dreamer in the original prophecy starts to express doubts about what he's doing with gathering the Key, thinks he's being used, and questions what is really going on, implies that the Dreamer could potentially change his mind and hence be "The Knight".

Notably, Abaddon would also fit 'The Child' very well, since he is also Fatherless, and literally from the Sons of Horus... and if it really is some sort of redemption arc, as a traitor that betrayed the traitors he would also be utterly alone, as the Imperium would not exactly welcome him back with open arms.

I mean, it's the Lion. . .

but. . .

I like your idea. New (old?) faction: renegade astartes.

Quasistellar wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Spoiler:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The card is very vague, outside of the winged helmet which does suggest it could be the Lion.

All the text hints at though is that someone defies Vashtor/Whatever the Key unlocks.

Based on the original prophecy text...I think it could be Abaddon as that seems like he's the person dreaming in that (as it's from the perspective of someone finding and using the Key).

It talks about them having doubts and feeling like they're being used, so maybe the plan goes through, he realizes he's been tricked, and tries to stop it.

I hope it's something like that...but at this point I think it might actually be The Lion, unfortunately.

Maybe I'm just too tired to read you right, but are you saying book five could be Abaddon: The Sequel?

Sort of? I'm saying I think it would be more interesting if it was Abaddon or some similar unexpected character who ends up stopping The Key and Vashtor, rather than a quite bland (and to me, detrimental to 40k) "The Lion shows up and the Imperium gets a new superhero and he solves it".

That the Dreamer in the original prophecy starts to express doubts about what he's doing with gathering the Key, thinks he's being used, and questions what is really going on, implies that the Dreamer could potentially change his mind and hence be "The Knight".

Notably, Abaddon would also fit 'The Child' very well, since he is also Fatherless, and literally from the Sons of Horus... and if it really is some sort of redemption arc, as a traitor that betrayed the traitors he would also be utterly alone, as the Imperium would not exactly welcome him back with open arms.

I mean, it's the Lion. . .

but. . .

I like your idea. New (old?) faction: renegade astartes.

I'm mostly convinced it's the Lion too, but daydreaming is fun.

Lions return, this card is on the nose Green Paladin dressed in wingid helm with a calibinite blade.

I hope the model looks good.

Boosykes wrote:
Lions return, this card is on the nose Green Paladin dressed in wingid helm with a calibinite blade.

I hope the model looks good.

The helm I can definitely see the similarity to, but the Lion didn't wear Green, and I don't see how that's a Calibinite blade?

Could the knight not just be Azrael?