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Whilst I'm not advocating for the churn of rumours (seems pointless to me), I'm surprised that anyone could think one guy's complaints about a webinar being hosted too late for him to catch live have any value whatsoever

Very random and unlikely theory, based on someone stating the Nid head (first tease) looked like a marine helmet. Y’know how some camouflaging animals can also manipulate their skin texture and shape to better fit their surroundings, can a Lictor do the same thing.
As I said unlikely as why would it try to look like a giant Marine.

Really hope "Beastmen" doesn't mean another separate chaos faction codex. I can see most of that stuff being revealed in the adepticon stream except for the Epic stuff, that feels like its own event (assuming they're going to support it with models and it isn't just a book release for owners of Titanicus and Aeronautica collections, which is a big assumption)

Billicus wrote:
Really hope "Beastmen" doesn't mean another separate chaos faction codex. I can see most of that stuff being revealed in the adepticon stream except for the Epic stuff, that feels like its own event (assuming they're going to support it with models and it isn't just a book release for owners of Titanicus and Aeronautica collections, which is a big assumption)

Beastmen in 40k are not even necessarily chaos, there are both sanctioned Beastmen and beastmen penal legions in the imperial forces.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Really hope "Beastmen" doesn't mean another separate chaos faction codex. I can see most of that stuff being revealed in the adepticon stream except for the Epic stuff, that feels like its own event (assuming they're going to support it with models and it isn't just a book release for owners of Titanicus and Aeronautica collections, which is a big assumption)

Beastmen in 40k are not even necessarily chaos, there are both sanctioned Beastmen and beastmen penal legions in the imperial forces.

It doesn't, but we had heard previously that they were Khornate, so I expect they will get a datasheet and be put into the WE.

I literally had a half written post last night guessing that the Kill Team would be Beastmen versus Votann (as an upgrade sprue), but I fell asleep before posting it. Still, good to know my instincts on that aren't totally off.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Really hope "Beastmen" doesn't mean another separate chaos faction codex. I can see most of that stuff being revealed in the adepticon stream except for the Epic stuff, that feels like its own event (assuming they're going to support it with models and it isn't just a book release for owners of Titanicus and Aeronautica collections, which is a big assumption)

Beastmen in 40k are not even necessarily chaos, there are both sanctioned Beastmen and beastmen penal legions in the imperial forces.

Yep, they're just another abhuman. Hence my hope

 The Phazer wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Really hope "Beastmen" doesn't mean another separate chaos faction codex. I can see most of that stuff being revealed in the adepticon stream except for the Epic stuff, that feels like its own event (assuming they're going to support it with models and it isn't just a book release for owners of Titanicus and Aeronautica collections, which is a big assumption)

Beastmen in 40k are not even necessarily chaos, there are both sanctioned Beastmen and beastmen penal legions in the imperial forces.

It doesn't, but we had heard previously that they were Khornate, so I expect they will get a datasheet and be put into the WE.

I literally had a half written post last night guessing that the Kill Team would be Beastmen versus Votann (as an upgrade sprue), but I fell asleep before posting it. Still, good to know my instincts on that aren't totally off.

It would certainly match GW's current approach of viewing the Votann as Imperium-adjacent better than having Imperial Beastmen vs. Votann

I'm most interested in the Epic rumours, they come pretty much out of the left field, but imho Epic with an 30k setting and current-day production technology is a huge opportunity to deliver stunning visuals and a 'true' representation of the 30k feeling on the tabletop.

Kill team Votann vs Beastmen could turn out to be quite cool. Most KT teams look amazing sculpt wise. Not to keen on the beastmen from the Blackstone Fortress, I think with minimal kit bashes you could come up with something way better.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Kill team Votann vs Beastmen could turn out to be quite cool. Most KT teams look amazing sculpt wise. Not to keen on the beastmen from the Blackstone Fortress, I think with minimal kit bashes you could come up with something way better.

Beastmen have a lot of variety, it could be everything from the pretty basic BSF beastmen to the excellent AOS Slaangor. I don't like the Tzaangor too much, but they demonstrate the variations the beastmen concept could take nicely. Perhaps they use this kit to give us proper Khorngors? Anyway, they have the potential to be great.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Kill team Votann vs Beastmen could turn out to be quite cool. Most KT teams look amazing sculpt wise. Not to keen on the beastmen from the Blackstone Fortress, I think with minimal kit bashes you could come up with something way better.

Beastmen have a lot of variety, it could be everything from the pretty basic BSF beastmen to the excellent AOS Slaangor. I don't like the Tzaangor too much, but they demonstrate the variations the beastmen concept could take nicely. Perhaps they use this kit to give us proper Khorngors? Anyway, they have the potential to be great.

Pestigors! Now that would be so nice!

Only if they look nothing like the weird blood bowl pestigor.

I'll be interested to see what the Votann upgrade sprue offers as the kit is pretty full as it is.

On Epic- cool as long as it evolves from30k to 40k - I want my Epic scale Votann!

 silverstu wrote:
I'll be interested to see what the Votann upgrade sprue offers as the kit is pretty full as it is.

On Epic- cool as long as it evolves from30k to 40k - I want my Epic scale Votann!

Depending on how they go about it, a second edition of Epic 30k could start with an 'Ullanor' box and introduce Orks

 GaroRobe wrote:
Only if they look nothing like the weird blood bowl pestigor.

Never understood those BB models they are so weird that resemble something more like chaos spawns than anything else.

On the other hand the old WFB metal pestigors concept has so much potential for a 40k version.
They did great with Kroots and Commandos KT so I have high hopes for whats to come.

Regarding Votann maybe they just use the regular troops kit since they already have medic, comns, pistols, cc etc Plenty options.
I hope they do an all new kit though we need more kits for Votann.

Given GW's bit on Titans and Epic today I can definitely believe the Epic rumor.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/15/40-years-of-warhammer-clash-of-the-warlord-titans

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Given GW's bit on Titans and Epic today I can definitely believe the Epic rumor.

It's certainly a lot of coincidences between the main page suddenly mentioning Epic by name, some of the rumourmongers spouting off about Epic, and their semi-official influencers also discovering their nostalgia for a product that has been out of production for close to two decades all at once.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Given GW's bit on Titans and Epic today I can definitely believe the Epic rumor.

It's certainly a lot of coincidences between the main page suddenly mentioning Epic by name, some of the rumourmongers spouting off about Epic, and their semi-official influencers also discovering their nostalgia for a product that has been out of production for close to two decades all at once.

If they really want to troll the community, then they better release Lion'el jonson for Epic.

 Theophony wrote:

If they really want to troll the community, then they better release Lion'el jonson for Epic.

It would be (in)glorious

I can understand combining it with Titanicus, but with Aeronautica that then means close to half the range would just be dropped if the game is Horus Heresy themed.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I can understand combining it with Titanicus, but with Aeronautica that then means close to half the range would just be dropped if the game is Horus Heresy themed.

Probably just because the models already exists, you'd not want additional plane models at a slightly different scale.

 deathstalker013 wrote:
Very random and unlikely theory, based on someone stating the Nid head (first tease) looked like a marine helmet. Y’know how some camouflaging animals can also manipulate their skin texture and shape to better fit their surroundings, can a Lictor do the same thing.
As I said unlikely as why would it try to look like a giant Marine.

For the big reveal when 'The Lion' turns out to be a big Mimic Lictor luring in prey. All primarch from the front, but a 360 spin reveals the bug behind it.

Has this thread now become a "40k general news rumors thread"?
It would actually be a good idea to have such a thread since the "new marine boxed set" thread that evolved in to 40k general is not really active now.

 Fayric wrote:
Has this thread now become a "40k general news rumors thread"?
It would actually be a good idea to have such a thread since the "new marine boxed set" thread that evolved in to 40k general is not really active now.

Nah - i'm fine with having one or the other side-rumour from our main sources to better track accuracy and so on, but it's not the 'everything 40k' thread The current plan is stil to close this one after 10th edition is released and do a post-season summary. I'm not averse to open another thread after that, but for now this one is not supposed to run on forever.

 Fayric wrote:
Has this thread now become a "40k general news rumors thread"?
It would actually be a good idea to have such a thread since the "new marine boxed set" thread that evolved in to 40k general is not really active now.

As GW isn't doing a big release of 10th until mid year there will always reach a point at which the rumours have kind of reached a peak of everyone having seen enough of them and the official news not yet coming out. The dolldrums of random topics that will keep the thread on life support until actual news appears ( by which point we'll likely start a whole new thread as this one will be a rambling monster)

 Overread wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Has this thread now become a "40k general news rumors thread"?
It would actually be a good idea to have such a thread since the "new marine boxed set" thread that evolved in to 40k general is not really active now.

As GW isn't doing a big release of 10th until mid year there will always reach a point at which the rumours have kind of reached a peak of everyone having seen enough of them and the official news not yet coming out. The dolldrums of random topics that will keep the thread on life support until actual news appears ( by which point we'll likely start a whole new thread as this one will be a rambling monster)

I suppose that we'll have about 150 pages at the end of july, perhaps even 200, and that's probably close to what we can have before the thread collapses under its own weight - the OP is already not easy to edit, i have to remove nested quotes and spoilers to prevent it from breaking. So either way this thread will have to end at the start of autumn at the latest.

I predict it will end when 10th actually gets official news as then it will be easier to start fresh with official news than having to sift through pages of rumours and editing the first post to divide rumour from fact and such.


Depending how much info GW roll out there might be a bit of overlap if their early info is really short or teaser style; but as soon as we get a meaty chunk of info I predict a shift .

 Overread wrote:
I predict it will end when 10th actually gets official news as then it will be easier to start fresh with official news than having to sift through pages of rumours and editing the first post to divide rumour from fact and such.


Depending how much info GW roll out there might be a bit of overlap if their early info is really short or teaser style; but as soon as we get a meaty chunk of info I predict a shift .

That's fine by me

A few weeks of overlap will not hurt, it should not be overly complicated to port the relevant news that fall into this period over as the 'seed' for the next general rumours thread, it's basically what i do with the thematic summaries at the end of the OP anyway.

By the time we get official previews for 10th the 'professional' rumour-persons will have glommed on to the next thing anyway, probably the SM codes, Nid codex or SM chapter supplements.

It's interesting to consider how ~10 years ago specialist games felt like a dying branch/strategy of Games Workshop, and now, within a year or two, we could see 40K, Epic, Necromunda, Kill Team, HH, TOW, AoS, BB and War Cry all thriving concurrently.

edit: forgot Horus Heresy. So many damn games!

 Altruizine wrote:
It's interesting to consider how ~10 years ago specialist games felt like a dying branch/strategy of Games Workshop, and now, within a year or two, we could see 40K, Epic, Necromunda, Kill Team, HH, TOW, AoS, BB and War Cry all thriving concurrently.

edit: forgot Horus Heresy. So many damn games!

And their various boxed games like BSF, Cursed City etc., which would be thriving if you could actually buy them

Yup, those too! Although I was deliberately dis-including them to focus on what I consider "full-fledged" games. Which is something I haven't worked up a definition for, but is probably highly-dependant on the concept of 'factions' and there being multiple to choose from.