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 The Phazer wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/03/go-way-behind-enemy-lines-with-a-new-space-marine-lieutenant/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=phobosltreveal03042023

Phobos Lieutenant reveal. Looks fine, but an odd one off Phobos model is still a weird pick for this box.

Not if you consider it as a way to bring back Tyrannic War Veterans.

Horrifically busy / overdone.

JWBS wrote:
Horrifically busy / overdone.

Also hilariously nondescript 'preview article' - 'He's got knives, ain't that cool?'. Could at least have shown his datasheet...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/03/go-way-behind-enemy-lines-with-a-new-space-marine-lieutenant/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=phobosltreveal03042023

Phobos Lieutenant reveal. Looks fine, but an odd one off Phobos model is still a weird pick for this box.

Not if you consider it as a way to bring back Tyrannic War Veterans.

But the veteran unit in the trailer are wearing stock Mark X, not Phobos, so it seems like this guy will be on his own.

It's so funny how rather than end a stupid meme, they doubled down on the whole Primaris Lt crap. I'm sure there is more Lt datasheets than the entirety of some factions.

Also, yeah what a nothing article. Their dragging stuff out is so stupid.

a good source for powerdaggers.
At most.

other than that, it's once again a primaris leutnant.
At this stage we got more of em than GSC has units. And GSC has already an absurd ammount of 1 char units..

atleast the imperial agents patrol looks good.

Warhammer Community wrote:These new Lieutenants are expert assassins and skilled intelligence gatherers – they blend into the jungle (or desert, tundra, or wherever else they’re fighting) in their blue power armour!

Snugiraffe wrote:

Warhammer Community wrote:These new Lieutenants are expert assassins and skilled intelligence gatherers – they blend into the jungle (or desert, tundra, or wherever else they’re fighting) in their blue power armour!

in the grim darkness of the future, glasses are an ultra-rare commoditiy.

Some astute creature on B&C has remarked that the whole article does not mention the word 'Primaris'... so there may be more than meets the eye to it.

 The Phazer wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/03/go-way-behind-enemy-lines-with-a-new-space-marine-lieutenant/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=phobosltreveal03042023

Phobos Lieutenant reveal. Looks fine, but an odd one off Phobos model is still a weird pick for this box.

Tactical bug!


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Wayniac wrote:
It's so funny how rather than end a stupid meme, they doubled down on the whole Primaris Lt crap. I'm sure there is more Lt datasheets than the entirety of some factions.

Also, yeah what a nothing article. Their dragging stuff out is so stupid.

Yea it doesn't bode well for datasheet consolidation.

Oddly enough I like him. He's got so much going on that it's hard to focus on the things I don't like about Phobos armor. The picture angle is a dud, though. The video has far better angles that make him look better.

Still, not sure why we need another Phobos Lieutenant when they could have had one in Gravis or Terminator armor instead.

An unexciting miniature. And I’d hoped they’d learnt by now that flaming/dripping blades just don’t work.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Some astute creature on B&C has remarked that the whole article does not mention the word 'Primaris'... so there may be more than meets the eye to it.

Surprise, firstborn are now gone. So no need to differentiate marines by adding primaris

Cool model. Looks like something GW would release as a store birthday exclusive, though they probably have some iteration of this that will exclusively debut in the future


Is that icon on his belt going to be the new version of the “Indominus crusade icon all marines are obligated to wear?” It doesn’t look familiar

Tsagualsa wrote:
Some astute creature on B&C has remarked that the whole article does not mention the word 'Primaris'... so there may be more than meets the eye to it.

Also it doesn't call him a Phobos or Reiver Lieutenant, it only says the new design takes several cues from them.
So maybe different armour is only a wargear choice now instead of different datasheets?

 Matrindur wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Some astute creature on B&C has remarked that the whole article does not mention the word 'Primaris'... so there may be more than meets the eye to it.

Also it doesn't call him a Phobos or Reiver Lieutenant, it only says the new design takes several cues from them.
So maybe different armour is only a wargear choice now instead of different datasheets?

Well, the url tracker kind of does

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/03/go-way-behind-enemy-lines-with-a-new-space-marine-lieutenant/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=phobosltreveal03042023

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Some astute creature on B&C has remarked that the whole article does not mention the word 'Primaris'... so there may be more than meets the eye to it.

Also it doesn't call him a Phobos or Reiver Lieutenant, it only says the new design takes several cues from them.
So maybe different armour is only a wargear choice now instead of different datasheets?

Well, the url tracker kind of does

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/03/go-way-behind-enemy-lines-with-a-new-space-marine-lieutenant/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=phobosltreveal03042023

Same in the Twitter image:

 Snord wrote:
An unexciting miniature. And I’d hoped they’d learnt by now that flaming/dripping blades just don’t work.

It's really sad they have to keep doing this stuff. The number of times I've read "The Avatar is so good, except for the flames / blood stuck to him" or something similar about another model. I feel sure there's someone in management that's mandating this stuff. The artists they have seem good, at least too good to think these overwrought and tacky designs are aesthetically pleasing. The PR team memes on the tactical rocks. But they still won't stop.

 Asmodai wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Some astute creature on B&C has remarked that the whole article does not mention the word 'Primaris'... so there may be more than meets the eye to it.

Also it doesn't call him a Phobos or Reiver Lieutenant, it only says the new design takes several cues from them.
So maybe different armour is only a wargear choice now instead of different datasheets?

Well, the url tracker kind of does

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/03/go-way-behind-enemy-lines-with-a-new-space-marine-lieutenant/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=phobosltreveal03042023

Same in the Twitter image:

Spoiler:

With the url I could still see it being a mistake but this image is hard to doubt

I would totally buy that Agents of the Imperium boarding patrol if I could.

I expect it will last four seconds.

What's going to be the feature of this new guy? Festooned with charms? Overburdened with gear? Or a decorative base? Or a shoulder slung rifle with many doodads? Field repairs to the armour? Or a blade dripping with venom?

Yes.

Phew! For a moment there it looked like we'd only have one new Luitenant to look forward to...

JWBS wrote:

 Snord wrote:
An unexciting miniature. And I’d hoped they’d learnt by now that flaming/dripping blades just don’t work.

It's really sad they have to keep doing this stuff. The number of times I've read "The Avatar is so good, except for the flames / blood stuck to him" or something similar about another model. I feel sure there's someone in management that's mandating this stuff. The artists they have seem good, at least too good to think these overwrought and tacky designs are aesthetically pleasing. The PR team memes on the tactical rocks. But they still won't stop.

I hate the nurgle slime additions as much as the next man, but the blood knife here doesn’t bother me. Unlike the dark apostles flaming book of blood, having a bloody knife while standing on a tyranid corpse kind of works. Plus, this seems to be the easiest fix, since all you need is to swap out the hand or the knife blade. It’s not like the blade has blood that’s dripping onto the arm or covers up detail that makes removing it a nightmare

 Snord wrote:
An unexciting miniature. And I’d hoped they’d learnt by now that flaming/dripping blades just don’t work.

They can't all be bangers.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/03/warhammer-40000-the-anatomy-of-a-new-datasheet/
New article about datasheets

Each model has an OC characteristic, and to determine who controls an objective, you simply count up the total OC of all models within range
Warriors that were previously categorised as Troops will generally have a higher OC than elite units
Vehicles and Monsters also earn a more substantial OC, so Knights and the like can muscle smaller units off objectives

Leadership is much more impactful in the new edition. Your units’ morale is now gauged with a Battle-shock test.
Many factors can force a unit to test for Battle-shock, including being below Half-strength during the Command Phase. Fail and they struggle to capture objectives, use Stratagems, or Fall Back from combat.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/03/warhammer-40000-the-anatomy-of-a-new-datasheet/

Not a whole lot new - Intercessors confirmed to continue (so Primaris units not being consolidated, even if the keyword itself is dead).

Leadership is roll higher, as expected.

 Asmodai wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/03/warhammer-40000-the-anatomy-of-a-new-datasheet/

Not a whole lot new - Intercessors confirmed to continue (so Primaris units not being consolidated, even if the keyword itself is dead).

Leadership is roll higher, as expected.

The thing about weapon types now being presented by 'Core abilities' does give passing confirmation to a part of that section from the 50pager, but there will be a whole article on that in the future, so we'll see in more detail.

I actually really like the Lieutenant. Looks much better in the 360 vid than the still image though.

Interesting that they show an Assault Intercessor for the regular bolt pistol statline, when previously they had "heavy bolt pistols" with 18" range and so on.
GW's need to give every Primaris unit their own new and unique weapon was one of my least favorite things about how they have been handled, so if this is an indication that at least some of that will be pared down and just given classic space marine weapons instead then I am all for it.

EDIT: I've been told it's a regular Intercessor Sergeant who don't have heavy bolt pistols. Oh well.

At this rate, they should just released Codex Space Marine supplement: Lieutenants. It's wacky to me that they have enough sub-commander variants that combined they have more rules entries than some of the smaller factions.

Knife in each hand, one more for the bug at his feet.

Stab stab stab….

Hopefully we can get some consolidation. Need more data before we get the whole picture. Fingers crossed. Not expecting everything at once, but heading in the right direction would be nice.