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 stonehorse wrote:
Finally Orks next. I'm not even an Ork player, but leaving their preview so late seems a bit wrong to me.

It does, absolutely. But they better show off something good (and hopefully the back of a datacard, so we can see gear options and, hopefully, nob options).

Because, really, we all know the faction ability is Waaagh (and they have actually listed that as an example of a faction ability in an article so it _is_ Waaagh).

Hopefully they get something useful for the whole game (like tyranids get Shadow and Synapse), because a once per game bonus when charging doesn't cut the mustard on faction abilities.

Read over the Custodes article today, overall looks good and I'm quite pleased by the Toughness boost (I hope this means MegaNobz also go up in T) but I am disappointed in the Sisters of Silence. I think I was the only Custodes player running them at my last FLGS, they were a niche unit and its disappointing to see their anti-psyker nullification disappear and get replaced with a FnP. While they may still exist as Stratagems that's remarkably worse considering CP is more limited.

Voss wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
Finally Orks next. I'm not even an Ork player, but leaving their preview so late seems a bit wrong to me.

It does, absolutely. But they better show off something good (and hopefully the back of a datacard, so we can see gear options and, hopefully, nob options).

Because, really, we all know the faction ability is Waaagh (and they have actually listed that as an example of a faction ability in an article so it _is_ Waaagh).

Hopefully they get something useful for the whole game (like tyranids get Shadow and Synapse), because a once per game bonus when charging doesn't cut the mustard on faction abilities.

Agreed, a faction ability should be for the whole game rather than just a one off ability. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they manage to combine Mob Rule and Waaugh into the faction bonus.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Harlequins and Grey Knights haven't been shown either. Grey Knights are too different from regular Marines to have the same army bonus/detachment, so I'm sure they'll get their own article, and they didn't specify that Harlies would be in with Craftworlds like they are now. Also, Tsons also haven't been shown yet, have they?

Genestealer Cults
Drukhari
Thousand Sons
Grey Knights

would be the "current Codexes" still missing.

Sisters of Silence not being immune to Psykers is a travesty

 Mr Morden wrote:
Sisters of Silence not being immune to Psykers is a travesty

That would have made them immune to Force Weapons, Corrupted Staffs, Singing Spears & Witchblades

Does being a blank stop you being stabbed?
Do you want to play a game where sisters of silence can charge into a Seer council and they cannot do anything at all because they lack any non-psychic melee weapons?
God knows what the effect on Grey Knights would have been. "Our psychic weirdness makes us immune to being run through with nemesis weapons"

The way they have chosen to implement psychic attacks in 10e means complete immunity was never going to be a possibility, a really good FnP is a good compromise (and less fiddly than debuffing all psychic attacks)

completely immune, maybe not. That's just a boring interaction.

But would've generally liked to see some interactions with the [psychic] keyword, if they have it in there. -1 to hit/wound by psychic attacks (maybe also units nearby). The abilities to cancel psychic auras as seen on the Abominant. Etc.. on a 4+ or some such thing?

Not necessarily just Sisters of Silence. Just generally in the game. The [psychic] label on attacks, abilities, auras seems completely pointless thus far.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Harlequins and Grey Knights haven't been shown either. Grey Knights are too different from regular Marines to have the same army bonus/detachment, so I'm sure they'll get their own article, and they didn't specify that Harlies would be in with Craftworlds like they are now. Also, Tsons also haven't been shown yet, have they?

Genestealer Cults
Drukhari
Thousand Sons
Grey Knights

would be the "current Codexes" still missing.

Following the pattern, Orks today, dusty bois tomorrow then GK on Friyay.

Dudeface wrote:


Following the pattern, Orks today, dusty bois tomorrow then GK on Friyay.

But that would leave only Xenos for next week. So they'll have to break the "pattern" either way. Question is if they break it this week or next week.

Voss wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
Finally Orks next. I'm not even an Ork player, but leaving their preview so late seems a bit wrong to me.

It does, absolutely. But they better show off something good (and hopefully the back of a datacard, so we can see gear options and, hopefully, nob options).

Because, really, we all know the faction ability is Waaagh (and they have actually listed that as an example of a faction ability in an article so it _is_ Waaagh).

Hopefully they get something useful for the whole game (like tyranids get Shadow and Synapse), because a once per game bonus when charging doesn't cut the mustard on faction abilities.

Given their willingness to have multi round stages to a rule, it would be in keeping with a waaagh that it builds over the game as they get stuck in.

Ie

Waaagh

Turn 1 onwards
May charge after advancing

Turn 3 onwards
Gain sustained hits 1 on all attacks


Something like that to reflect the battle building up the waaagh energy.

They could even implement psychic attacks that are affected by the turn, like da stomp is d6+the round number attacks.

 stonehorse wrote:
...leaving their preview so late seems a bit wrong to me.

Well until it is available, it is really slow. 'Cos read wunz go fasta.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Following the pattern, Orks today, dusty bois tomorrow then GK on Friyay.

But that would leave only Xenos for next week. So they'll have to break the "pattern" either way. Question is if they break it this week or next week.

I'm 100% confident GSC will be last (happy to be wrong), simply to lean into the "faction GW forgets exist" meme.

Sure.

But if TSons and GK are this week, "pattern" would be (I=Imperium, C=Chaos, X=Xenos)

IXCX ICIXC IXCIX CIXCI XX

More likely it would be GK and Drukhari (or GSC) this week, and then TSons and GSC (or Drukhari) next week to match the IXCX pattern we saw early on with Marines, Nids, CSM, Necrons?


IXCX ICIXC IXCIX CIXIX CX

Sunny Side Up wrote:
completely immune, maybe not. That's just a boring interaction.

But would've generally liked to see some interactions with the [psychic] keyword, if they have it in there. -1 to hit/wound by psychic attacks (maybe also units nearby). The abilities to cancel psychic auras as seen on the Abominant. Etc.. on a 4+ or some such thing?

Not necessarily just Sisters of Silence. Just generally in the game. The [psychic] label on attacks, abilities, auras seems completely pointless thus far.

Well sisters get fnp vs any weapon with psychic and the mw aura frod abooinant as well.

Overall gw went with psychic just being things.nobody turns captain buff off either.

Well, Sisters get nothing against the Abominant Aura, as it isn't an attack.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Well, Sisters get nothing against the Abominant Aura, as it isn't an attack.

Core rules say all damage from auras are considered psychic attack if aura has psychic keyword.

Sisters get fnp thus.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Following the pattern, Orks today, dusty bois tomorrow then GK on Friyay.

But that would leave only Xenos for next week. So they'll have to break the "pattern" either way. Question is if they break it this week or next week.

There are also Imperial Agents to mix with Xenos/Chaos

 Mr Morden wrote:
Sisters of Silence not being immune to Psykers is a travesty

Exactly. The whole point of the SoS was that psychic powers just don't work on them. The FnP ends up being kind of goofy by letting them get protection against Witch Blades and other Psychic stabby weapons as others noted. I feel like they could have easily sidestepped this by saying "SoS cannot be targeted by shooting attacks with the [Psychic] keyword" or something to that effect.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
completely immune, maybe not. That's just a boring interaction.

But would've generally liked to see some interactions with the [psychic] keyword, if they have it in there. -1 to hit/wound by psychic attacks (maybe also units nearby). The abilities to cancel psychic auras as seen on the Abominant. Etc.. on a 4+ or some such thing?

Not necessarily just Sisters of Silence. Just generally in the game. The [psychic] label on attacks, abilities, auras seems completely pointless thus far.

I suspect cancelling Psychic auras or powers will be a stratagem for SoS. I think it should have been one of the few units in the game to retain an aura, with either a -1 Hit or Wound as you mentioned. We may end up seeing a Psychic Hood enhancement that gives the enemy [Psychic] attacks have a -1 to Hit instead.

Psychic hood gives fnp to unit librarian is in

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Following the pattern, Orks today, dusty bois tomorrow then GK on Friyay.

But that would leave only Xenos for next week. So they'll have to break the "pattern" either way. Question is if they break it this week or next week.

There are also Imperial Agents to mix with Xenos/Chaos

We've had 10th-Ed. Agent rules previewed with the new models. Not sure if they do that again?

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Following the pattern, Orks today, dusty bois tomorrow then GK on Friyay.

But that would leave only Xenos for next week. So they'll have to break the "pattern" either way. Question is if they break it this week or next week.

There are also Imperial Agents to mix with Xenos/Chaos

We've had 10th-Ed. Agent rules previewed with the new models. Not sure if they do that again?

They were shown as having their own codex on that list but Dark Angels were there too so you may be right, and they will not get a separate focus.

tneva82 wrote:
Psychic hood gives fnp to unit librarian is in

Ah that's right, I forgot they previewed the librarian.

 stonehorse wrote:
Finally Orks next. I'm not even an Ork player, but leaving their preview so late seems a bit wrong to me.

If you were an ork player, you would have learned to fear new rules instead of looking forward to them

 Jidmah wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
Finally Orks next. I'm not even an Ork player, but leaving their preview so late seems a bit wrong to me.

If you were an ork player, you would have learned to fear new rules instead of looking forward to them

or new and "improved" kits... looks at boys.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
Finally Orks next. I'm not even an Ork player, but leaving their preview so late seems a bit wrong to me.

If you were an ork player, you would have learned to fear new rules instead of looking forward to them

or new and "improved" kits... looks at boys.

Well, the kit is exactly what people crying for a replacement deserved.

 Jidmah wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
Finally Orks next. I'm not even an Ork player, but leaving their preview so late seems a bit wrong to me.

If you were an ork player, you would have learned to fear new rules instead of looking forward to them

or new and "improved" kits... looks at boys.

Well, the kit is exactly what people crying for a replacement deserved.

Yup, I remember all those "I'd collect orks but only if they get new boyz" whilst they expected no price increase and full customisation.

Charax wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Sisters of Silence not being immune to Psykers is a travesty

That would have made them immune to Force Weapons, Corrupted Staffs, Singing Spears & Witchblades

Does being a blank stop you being stabbed?
Do you want to play a game where sisters of silence can charge into a Seer council and they cannot do anything at all because they lack any non-psychic melee weapons?
God knows what the effect on Grey Knights would have been. "Our psychic weirdness makes us immune to being run through with nemesis weapons"

The way they have chosen to implement psychic attacks in 10e means complete immunity was never going to be a possibility, a really good FnP is a good compromise (and less fiddly than debuffing all psychic attacks)

So many things they could have done - but hey not Marines so no defensive aura for them

And you are happy with the 3+ save against being stabbed

* They could have had it so you could not target them with any kind of psychic attack - you know - like the lore.
* They could have had a negative impact on any nearby Psyker - you know like the lore

Why the feth do non damaging psychic abilities work fine on them now?

I still don't get why that Codex hasn't been restored to being "Talons of the Emperor" instead of "Adeptus Custodes" yet.

 Dysartes wrote:
I still don't get why that Codex hasn't been restored to being "Talons of the Emperor" instead of "Adeptus Custodes" yet.

Yeah, this!

ERJAK wrote:
So, this has all been fun and all, but let's start the Index leaks, yeah?

I am so goddam excited to start theorycrafting, it's not even funny.

Same. Any thought of playing 9th is gone. I'm too forward focused.

 Dysartes wrote:
I still don't get why that Codex hasn't been restored to being "Talons of the Emperor" instead of "Adeptus Custodes" yet.

GW wants the option to sell a second codex when they finally make the second half playable as it’s own thing, until then your not supposed to want to play that half yet.