10th Edition Rumour Roundup - in the grim darkness of the far future, there are only power levels

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**Daedalus81**

Lord Zarkov wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
They are not monsters, they can't shoot while engaged. They are also short ranged. This means that bogging down a unit of wraithguards in chaff is a very legit tactic. Cannons will hardly help you in that case.

Their special ability lets them fire back against anyone who attacks them and makes their guns Pistols while they do so.

If you resolve close combat attacks against them then they immediately get to fire back against you as Pistols can be fired into combat (with no loss of BS).

What's hilarious is wraithguard can shoot a unit, charge a different unit, and then when that unit hits them back shoot that unit, too. Very dangerous unit.

**xttz**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/04/sunday-preview-leviathan-approaches/

It's time

...there are a variety of pre-order bonuses available, depending on where you get your copy. If you order via the Games Workshop webstore, you’ll receive a set of two double-sided gaming boards with a total playable area of 30” x 44”. Purchase your set from a Warhammer store, you’ll get a set of 36 acrylic tokens, which includes six 40mm round objective markers, 10 battleshock tokens, and 20 wound tokens, in a stylish tin sporting the Leviathan logo.

Order from an independent Warhammer stockist and you’ll receive either a set of 28 double-sided deployment zone markers, or a Warhammer 40,000 branded neoprene dice tray featuring artwork of a Terminator helmet lens reflecting a Tyranid face. Speak to your local store to find out more.

Also that datasheet rumour seems accurate:

Over on the Warhammer Community page, we’ll continue our coverage of the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 by sharing all the Tyranid and Space Marine datasheets from Leviathan and their Indexes, revealing a new miniature, and bringing you loads of great articles.

**Tsagualsa**

The new miniature ought to be the Norn Emissary, right? Or another Primaris Lieutenant, we have not had one for a week.

**Overread**

I can't see them teasing new models for the next 2 weeks. It should be Leviathan hype only. They don't want you saving for what comes after, they want you buying Leviathan on release day

**MajorWesJanson**

They may show off the 2 pairs of ETB kits that ought to accompany the starters.

**Tsagualsa**

Overread wrote:
I can't see them teasing new models for the next 2 weeks. It should be Leviathan hype only. They don't want you saving for what comes after, they want you buying Leviathan on release day

It's cerainly possible that it'll just be the collector's miniature of Seargant Whocarius from the tie-in novel to 'build Leviathan hype', but they literally said they were revealing a new miniature that was Leviathan-related. There's not too many options there, other than it being Marines or Tyranids, and the Tyranids are both the first codex on the WHFest timeline and have that Emissary appear in art and stories, makes sense that that's the next one they'll show. Anyway, we wont have to wait long.

**Khahandran**

alextroy wrote:
You will burn through all your best Fate Dice if you use them to kill Chaff with Wraith Guard via Devastating Wounds. Far better to kill them with D-Scythes while saving your Fate Dice.

You burn through 1 or 2 at best. Use a Farseer to guarantee than 6 you need. Guardians replenishing. Not an issue.

Scythes are useless is comparison to wraithcannon.

**xttz**

Overread wrote:
I can't see them teasing new models for the next 2 weeks. It should be Leviathan hype only. They don't want you saving for what comes after, they want you buying Leviathan on release day

On the other hand, if they show off a Cool New Giant Space Bug that's coming later in the year it might encourage more people to pick up Leviathan and start a Tyranid army.

Probably depends how likely they think it is to leak, like that Necron photo in 9E.

**Khahandran**

Spoletta wrote:
They are not monsters, they can't shoot while engaged. They are also short ranged. This means that bogging down a unit of wraithguards in chaff is a very legit tactic. Cannons will hardly help you in that case.

They can after someone attacks them in melee.

**James12345**

I think they'll reveal all the other new models before release, as they'll all be in photos in the core book

**JohnnyHell**

This. Reveals will be what’s in a launch Codex.

**El Torro**

So it seems there's no made to order pre-order promise with the new Leviathan box. I predict some tears next weekend...

I collect Tyranids but I don't see much point in getting this box, at least for me. I'm not a big fan of the new sculpts (I love using Screamer Killers but I think the current Carnifexes with no guns make a much better Screamer Killer than the new sculpt). Hopefully the models I already have in my Tyranid army will make a viable army in 10th edition.

**Overread**

Depends. GW didn't have any preorder problem with the last AoS set, and I'm pretty sure the issues with the last 40K edition were a joint mix of GW being shut down for so long prior to the release and the massive uptick in sales that they had at the time. Both of which were not planned for.

So I figure GW should be ok on stock. The worst thing might be if 3rd party stores can't get enough or get told they'll get X and then get slashed to less.

That said even if you miss out the scalpers and people selling half of their set that they don't want will easily make it possible to pick things up. Even before Indomitus was given its 2nd print run you could easily grab the models for a good price off ebay.

Heck I'm debating potentially grabbing more gaunts and such for the Tyranids

**Souleater**

I can see some folks being annoyed if scalpers grab a bunch of the LE novels.

I won’t try ordering until at least a couple of hours after they go on sale as I don’t see the point in sitting in a queue for it.

**Voss**

El Torro wrote:
So it seems there's no made to order pre-order promise with the new Leviathan box. I predict some tears next weekend...

It bodes poorly that the DG packs that went up this weekend were gone in under 10 minutes in the US, before the 'Saturday preorders' article was even live on the frontpage of WarCom (but was accessible via facebook).

The different preorder bonus might shuffle some demand around, however.

**Tsagualsa**

Overread wrote:
Depends. GW didn't have any preorder problem with the last AoS set, and I'm pretty sure the issues with the last 40K edition were a joint mix of GW being shut down for so long prior to the release and the massive uptick in sales that they had at the time. Both of which were not planned for.

So I figure GW should be ok on stock. The worst thing might be if 3rd party stores can't get enough or get told they'll get X and then get slashed to less.

That said even if you miss out the scalpers and people selling half of their set that they don't want will easily make it possible to pick things up. Even before Indomitus was given its 2nd print run you could easily grab the models for a good price off ebay.

Heck I'm debating potentially grabbing more gaunts and such for the Tyranids

Valrak said (on a livestream, which is not visible to non-members after he is done streaming, so i can neither re-check it nor link it) that they have 32 shipping containers of Leviathan boxes for the US market alone, which seems like... many. Back of the envelope, that's 640 pallets at least, each with ~ 300 boxes each, so we're looking at close to 200.000 boxes.

**El Torro**

Voss wrote:
El Torro wrote:
So it seems there's no made to order pre-order promise with the new Leviathan box. I predict some tears next weekend...

It bodes poorly that the DG packs that went up this weekend were gone in under 10 minutes in the US, before the 'Saturday preorders' article was even live on the frontpage of WarCom (but was accessible via facebook).

The different preorder bonus might shuffle some demand around, however.

Sure, plenty of examples of this happening lately. I didn't realise how bad it was until I had my heart set on a Kill Team Ashes of Faith box. Luckily I refreshed the GW webstore a few minutes before it was due to go on sale and managed to get one before it sold out. By 10:02am (2 minutes after it was actually supposed to go on sale) it had already sold out. Once I saw it had sold out I (out of curiosity) went on Ebay and saw that people were already selling the box there for at least double the retail price.

By all accounts other regions (e.g. the US and Australia) sold out even quicker than the UK did.

I'm sure GW will have made a lot more stock for a new 10th edition 40K release box, though I still wouldn't be surprised if it's gone in a matter of minutes. Annoyingly a lot of that will be down to the scalpers, not people who actually want the box for themselves.

**Asmodai**

I'm sure online availability will be scarce, but I'm hoping local stores (both company and indie) get enough allocated to meet however many pre-orders they take.

**tneva82**

Asmodai wrote:
I'm sure online availability will be scarce, but I'm hoping local stores (both company and indie) get enough allocated to meet however many pre-orders they take.

That's generally been case here at least. Not too worried myself.

Also supports place i play directly.

Funny thing. Launch date happens to be　national holiday here. We get hands on monday earliestt.lol.

**NAVARRO**

The last killteams and the Deathguard this weekend sold out so fast that its probably due to very limited stocks since the new edition is here and has priority.

So I expect the new box set to have plenty of stock to go around.
Either way good luck to the people interested next weekend.

**Semper**

Daedalus81 wrote:
bullyboy wrote:
Ok, just going to come out and say it. Yes, stratagems were way over abused in 9th, but does every unit really have to have its own special rule? Just looking at the data sheets and most of the rules are simply arbitrary. I don’t see how this is simplifying the game if I have to ask my opponent what the special rule is of every unit I encounter to avoid “gotcha” moments.

I don't know how many unique datasheets will be typical each game, but I feel like it will be fairly straight forward to look them over pretty quickly. Like trade cards during deployment and look them over between drops. At some point you'll institutionalize the information. There are also enough that are quite common like sticky objectives that simplifies it - codexes notwithstanding.

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xttz wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:
Avatar of Khaine

Everyone say Hi to the new Knight meta

Not really. The Avatar is probably the most beastly unit seen so far. He can grab Fortune from a Farseer for -1 to wound. That same Farseer can spike him a 6 on his Fate Die to grant a 6 so he then has D3+1 S16 AP4 D6+2 shots.

He also halves the damage characteristic so the mortal wounds that the harpoon will produce will at most be 6.

EDIT: This seems like it is not correct since he halves when allocated and allocate happens after the wound roll, which has already turned it into mortal wounds.

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Shadow Walker wrote:
Heavy Weapon Team

I really enjoy the overwatch synergy.

Honestly, i'm still trying to wrap my head around how the Avatar is stronger than the daemon primarchs we've seen. He's tougher than Mortarion

**Mr_Rose**

Semper wrote:

Honestly, i'm still trying to wrap my head around how the Avatar is stronger than the daemon primarchs we've seen. He's tougher than Mortarion

God-fragment trumps elevated mortal? Even if the mortal was nearly immortal already…. The literally-solid-iron-body thing probably doesn’t hurt either.

Either way, it’s nice to see ol’ ironface being combat viable again. I was slightly confused by the ranged attack of the Wailing Doom being stronger than the strike mode of its melee attacks but then it’s only the one shot.

**GaroRobe**

Have any of the reviewers that received the boxset early posted clear pics of the sprues?

I'm watching unboxings on youtube but most people only show them off briefly. Still, a pleasant surprise to learn that the librarian head isn't sculpted into the armor. That'll make headswaps so much easier

**Altruizine**

GaroRobe wrote:
Have any of the reviewers that received the boxset early posted clear pics of the sprues?

I'm watching unboxings on youtube but most people only show them off briefly. Still, a pleasant surprise to learn that the librarian head isn't sculpted into the armor. That'll make headswaps so much easier

Posted earlier in this thread: https://taleofpainters.com/2023/06/unboxing-warhammer-40-000-leviathan-inc-high-res-sprue-pics/

**Hellebore**

Mr_Rose wrote:
Semper wrote:

Honestly, i'm still trying to wrap my head around how the Avatar is stronger than the daemon primarchs we've seen. He's tougher than Mortarion

God-fragment trumps elevated mortal? Even if the mortal was nearly immortal already…. The literally-solid-iron-body thing probably doesn’t hurt either.

Either way, it’s nice to see ol’ ironface being combat viable again. I was slightly confused by the ranged attack of the Wailing Doom being stronger than the strike mode of its melee attacks but then it’s only the one shot.

It's sustained hits d3, so with strands of fate it can easily be 1+d3 shots.

**Jidmah**

Semper wrote:
Honestly, i'm still trying to wrap my head around how the Avatar is stronger than the daemon primarchs we've seen. He's tougher than Mortarion

Mortarion doesn't compare well to anything anymore though. They turned him into a slightly more durable Gulliman with worse melee. The lion is more durable, deadlier and a better supporter than him.

**Waaagh_Gonads**

Asmodai wrote:
I'm sure online availability will be scarce, but I'm hoping local stores (both company and indie) get enough allocated to meet however many pre-orders they take.

FLGS in Australia have a cap, I cannot recall if it is 40 or 42.

My FLGS has had its quota pre-pre ordered by customers for over a month and we have already worked out who is trading what to whom.
I am getting the box, and 2 more sets of tyranids.

1 box per customer to get it out to as many people as the owner can.

He told me last week if he had an allocation of 80 it would have sold out.

**The Red Hobbit**

Surprised to see Eldrad stay at T4 while Asurmen got bumped down to T3, guess this breaks the mold on leaders being the same Toughness as the unit they are joining.

**MajorWesJanson**

Wasn't Eldrad tougher before because he is part crystal or something?

**Dudeface**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Wasn't Eldrad tougher before because he is part crystal or something?

Who knows at this point, he's supposed to be dead after all.