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Wolves aren't the only ones with veteran Scouts.

Actually there is another issue with the Marshal and Cestellan being their own unique units beyond being a waste of space - they lack the Captain and Lieutenant keywords (as does Helbretch with Chapter Master) so they can't be paired up with all of the sub-leaders in the main Marine cards

Likewise, a Templar army using the Gladius Detachment can field 4+ units of the tanks that got a special Templar version - GW only restricted non-Templar special tanks in their Crusader detachment and not the other way around.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Wolves aren't the only ones with veteran Scouts.

There are the one example regularly featuring them in Codexes, quit splitting hairs

People were wondering about venerable dreadnoughts - they've gone back to being just a space wolf thing apparently...

 Hellebore wrote:
People were wondering about venerable dreadnoughts - they've gone back to being just a space wolf thing apparently...

Bespoke kit and options (helfrost and axe/shield)

God, my Deathwatch are a mess. Stormbolter a as regular bolters, check. Anybody with a thunderhammer and storm shield or bolter….oops. All my jump pack dudes are now just vanvets I guess. Jump pack with heavy thunder hammer? Nope. Shotguns are cool combi weapons I guess. Heavy bolter has a hidden heavy flamer attachment.
Jesus, what a mess.

At least a suppressor can be added to spectrus kill team now.

Special Issue Ammo reduced to stratagems and a massively disappointing Index for Deathwatch. Oh well, it's been a long time coming but I guess it's time to hang up the 40k hat.

Idly looking at the unit sprues, and I’m not seeing anything being shared. As in unlike Indomitus and the AoS one, each unit should be packageable as a separate SKU.

So….hopefully, we won’t see any given unit locked away in bigger boxed sets, when perhaps we only want one of the units.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Idly looking at the unit sprues, and I’m not seeing anything being shared. As in unlike Indomitus and the AoS one, each unit should be packageable as a separate SKU.

So….hopefully, we won’t see any given unit locked away in bigger boxed sets, when perhaps we only want one of the units.

The space marine captain and Tyranid Prime come attached together, but are easy to split. Fully expecting those to be in a starter set.

Neurogaunts & barbgaunts are similar, they come on sprues attached together but easily split. Strangely only barbgaunts were revealed as being in the Tyranid combat patrol though.

Neurotyrant and SK share the same sprue and will need to be sold together.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I really hope Baal Predators make an appearance. The rules seem decent this time around.

I've been thinking I might want to make a Baal from a Deimos Pred with HB sponsons and a flame cannon. Now with the plastic kit and these rules, I'm positive I'll do it

Does Sustained Hits1 stack if coming from two sources? Azreal + Lieutenant with Bolter Discipline?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Idly looking at the unit sprues, and I’m not seeing anything being shared. As in unlike Indomitus and the AoS one, each unit should be packageable as a separate SKU.

So….hopefully, we won’t see any given unit locked away in bigger boxed sets, when perhaps we only want one of the units.

Well every sprue was on sale before.

1 sprue containing couple together for high price though

Am I the only one who doesn't see the DW sheets?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Idly looking at the unit sprues, and I’m not seeing anything being shared. As in unlike Indomitus and the AoS one, each unit should be packageable as a separate SKU.

So….hopefully, we won’t see any given unit locked away in bigger boxed sets, when perhaps we only want one of the units.

The Sternguard vets are on the same sprue as the Apothecary and Lieutenant, and the Screamer Killer and Neurotyrant share a sprue too.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't see the DW sheets?

There is a working link in the community article.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/oNwkFTe6jFmHZ148.pdf

For some reason, they do not show up in the Download section of the website.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't see the DW sheets?

go through the article
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/oNwkFTe6jFmHZ148.pdf

Fair points on the shared sprues.

Awesome - thanks for the link, guys.

 xttz wrote:


Neurotyrant and SK share the same sprue and will need to be sold together.

They both could be part of new multipart kits. SC as part of ordinary Carnifex/OOE kit, and Neurotyrant with some yet unknown creature.

 Hellebore wrote:
For some reason space wolf scouts are w1...

That's what happens when GW decides to separate Marines from other Marines: you lose consistency!

 Sarigar wrote:
DW Knights have -1 damage. Unless GW hasn't shown us something, they are immune to 1 damage weapons as there is no clause indicating damage reduced to minimum of 1.

Yep.

Imagine three squads of these shrugging off all infantry fire except for heavy weaponry. So basically immune to over 80% of all weaponry?

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Sarigar wrote:
DW Knights have -1 damage. Unless GW hasn't shown us something, they are immune to 1 damage weapons as there is no clause indicating damage reduced to minimum of 1.

Yep.

Imagine three squads of these shrugging off all infantry fire except for heavy weaponry. So basically immune to over 80% of all weaponry?

-1D on basic infantry makes me think it will be minimum 1. On vehicles or W3+ models I wasn't as concerned. If it stands I'll accept the challenge, but I can only imagine those particular units would be very common.

 bullyboy wrote:
God, my Deathwatch are a mess. Stormbolter a as regular bolters, check. Anybody with a thunderhammer and storm shield or bolter….oops. All my jump pack dudes are now just vanvets I guess. Jump pack with heavy thunder hammer? Nope. Shotguns are cool combi weapons I guess. Heavy bolter has a hidden heavy flamer attachment.
Jesus, what a mess.

At least a suppressor can be added to spectrus kill team now.

As I said in the Nid thread, I really think the index cards have just completely fluffed the design goal of making the game simpler.

Now I have to remember if a model with a stormbolter is a real stormbolter or just counts as a regular bolter, with several models in the same army having different rules for the same gun. Oh but it's fine, because my opponent might have a bit of card I can't read upside down on his bit of the table.

Wow, so Death Company with jump packs must have raided all the power fists and thunder hammers from Vanguard Veterans and Wolf Guard...

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Sarigar wrote:
DW Knights have -1 damage. Unless GW hasn't shown us something, they are immune to 1 damage weapons as there is no clause indicating damage reduced to minimum of 1.

Yep.

Imagine three squads of these shrugging off all infantry fire except for heavy weaponry. So basically immune to over 80% of all weaponry?

Idem for redemptor dreadnought or jump pack death company with Lemartes.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
For some reason space wolf scouts are w1...

That's what happens when GW decides to separate Marines from other Marines: you lose consistency!

It's maybe related to the upcoming new scouts, if wolf scouts end up using the old kit + upgrade sprue for a little while longer, it might explain a wound gap. Or someone copy/pasted the wrong number.


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 The Phazer wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
God, my Deathwatch are a mess. Stormbolter a as regular bolters, check. Anybody with a thunderhammer and storm shield or bolter….oops. All my jump pack dudes are now just vanvets I guess. Jump pack with heavy thunder hammer? Nope. Shotguns are cool combi weapons I guess. Heavy bolter has a hidden heavy flamer attachment.
Jesus, what a mess.

At least a suppressor can be added to spectrus kill team now.

As I said in the Nid thread, I really think the index cards have just completely fluffed the design goal of making the game simpler.

Now I have to remember if a model with a stormbolter is a real stormbolter or just counts as a regular bolter, with several models in the same army having different rules for the same gun. Oh but it's fine, because my opponent might have a bit of card I can't read upside down on his bit of the table.

It'd be a real shame if you couldn't read them for free online or simply ask to read them right?

You can tell the amount of datasheets is getting to the GW rules writers, because the Wulfen have the same stats for their generic weapons as they do for their hammer, even though the hammer only as 4 attacks compared to the 6 for their claws and other melee weapons.

Wow, so Death Company with jump packs must have raided all the power fists and thunder hammers from Vanguard Veterans and Wolf Guard...

Yeah I will just run Grey BA. F@#K GW.

 Grimskul wrote:
You can tell the amount of datasheets is getting to the GW rules writers, because the Wulfen have the same stats for their generic weapons as they do for their hammer, even though the hammer only as 4 attacks compared to the 6 for their claws and other melee weapons.

yeah, because theyre trading attacks for a defensive buff (4++ from shield)

Noted Bjorn halves any incoming damage, but no rounding clarification is mentioned. Would expect this to be FAQ'ed along with the -1D question. Doubt even p5 would try to pull the whole "you've taken 0.5 wounds" argument.