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Love all of this.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Set unit sizes. Set upgrade unit sizes. Every weapon option is free.

This is hell.

its also simple, which is probably the point, and then anyone left when the codexes come out will rave how they are "better"

until they realise that AgeOfEmperor stays this way

Hooo Boy!

Troupe
5 models............................................................ 75 pts
6 models............................................................ 90 pts
11 models .......................................................165 pts
12 models .......................................................180 pt

They're 15 points per model, GW. Really. This is how math works.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Set unit sizes. Set upgrade unit sizes. Every weapon option is free.

This is hell.

I'm out.

I for one, welcome our new Grimdark Future overlords.

I don’t understand why they have insisted on calling it points. Everything is a multiple of 5, unit sizes are in fixed increments and wargear options are baked into the unit costs.

Just divide everything by 5, call it Power Level and be done with it.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Love all of this.

I am uncertain. I really need to go through these and some of the datasheets that I thought had some big difference in gear and think on it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Set unit sizes. Set upgrade unit sizes. Every weapon option is free.

This is hell.

This!

Is!

Simplehammer!

leopard wrote:my units of seven plague marines and unit of seven blightlord terminators may be crying slightly wondering why two of them must die

well that's what you get for taking lore-accurate fluffy units. You should know by now GW aren't into that!

(hell, I miss 14-man plaguemarine mobs, I've made my peace with never being happy with Death Guard again. Just hoping we get plague marines in a HH Siege of Terra book, at least)

Voss wrote:

Troupe
5 models............................................................ 75 pts
6 models............................................................ 90 pts
11 models .......................................................165 pts
12 models .......................................................180 pt

They're 15 points per model, GW. Really. This is how math works.

Man that's weird. Is this for transports or something?

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
GO GO GO!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/oF1iWIkNsvlUHByM.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1SunJbj00GheE457GnQFNGRboDoHsZGItcJLqI0DyFO10c0VBoCjgOFeI

OMG....OH BOY....ZERO UPGRADE COSTS....

bangs table Welp, that's it boys, I'm out for good.

Im using a bad word now: these point lists are positively slowed. Especially the Custodes, wo have points for 4,5 and 9,10 but nothing in between, or even more 2,3,5,6, but not four, because they're apparently chinese traditionalists and superstituous around that number. Everything else is blocks of 5 or 10, with odd, box-related steps for a few exceptions and the odd bike squad. I defend a lot of what GW does because i can see at least what they were aiming for, even though the execution is bad, but this is just playing pretend. Utterly nonsensical, and they add insult to injury by giving prices to arse-gobbling enhancements as if 20 points up or down would matter in the slighest when army-wide Assault Cannons or your equivalent are free. This document is a testament to idiocy that will live through the ages, marking the point where they stopped trying, and stopped even pretending to care.

Well, that power level with a new hat.

Holy feth! The Rules Commentary is longer than the fething Core Rules. What the literal feth?!?!?!

 Grimtuff wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Set unit sizes. Set upgrade unit sizes. Every weapon option is free.

This is hell.

I'm out.

I for one, welcome our new Grimdark Future overlords.

Yep, I'm out as well. OPR or older editions it is for me.

Ok, so a few comparisons on some marine units shows they are generally more expensive than their current iterations, by about 10-20 pts/unit.

a few characters seemed to have dropped though, so it might even out

Tsagualsa wrote:

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
GO GO GO!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/oF1iWIkNsvlUHByM.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1SunJbj00GheE457GnQFNGRboDoHsZGItcJLqI0DyFO10c0VBoCjgOFeI

OMG....OH BOY....ZERO UPGRADE COSTS....

bangs table Welp, that's it boys, I'm out for good.

Im using a bad word now: these point lists are positively slowed. Especially the Custodes, wo have points for 4,5 and 9,10 but nothing in between, or even more 2,3,5,6, but not four, because they're apparently chinese traditionalists and superstituous around that number. Everything else is blocks of 5 or 10, with odd, box-related steps for a few exceptions and the odd bike squad. I defend a lot of what GW does because i can see at least what they were aiming for, even though the execution is bad, but this is just playing pretend. Utterly nonsensical, and they add insult to injury by giving prices to arse-gobbling enhancements as if 20 points up or down would matter in the slighest when army-wide Assault Cannons or your equivalent are free. This document is a testament to idiocy that will live through the ages, marking the point where they stopped trying, and stopped even pretending to care.

This whole edition feels like i was thrown together in a weekend with parts stolen from the other systems (Like, this points system is basically what AoS does, but it works in AoS because they have barely any wargear). I know it wasn't, but that's what it feels like.

 Nevelon wrote:
Well, that power level with a new hat.

if the hat doesn't fit, it may be from GW

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
Love all of this.

I am uncertain. I really need to go through these and some of the datasheets that I thought had some big difference in gear and think on it.

I love this mainly because I play AoS and this is basically bringing what I love from AoS into 40k

I think the weirdest things are stuff like Custodes which come in really weird unit sizes, but that's mostly because GW tried to do weird things with Custodes(making shield captain out of normal Custodes).

Overall I am happy about this and exited to try it out. There are some point costs that make me go "WTF?" like Storm Guardians costing 115 while Battle Sisters cost 110, but overall I am liking what I see.

Personally I think this is going to be an interesting edition.

leopard wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Well, that power level with a new hat.

if the hat doesn't fit, it may be from GW

The hat is limited edition and sold out before you even heard about it.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Voss wrote:

Troupe
5 models............................................................ 75 pts
6 models............................................................ 90 pts
11 models .......................................................165 pts
12 models .......................................................180 pt

They're 15 points per model, GW. Really. This is how math works.

Man that's weird. Is this for transports or something?

I don't know. Necron Lokhust destroyers are similar, and its definitely not for transports

Lokhust Destroyers
1 model .............................................................. 30 pts
2 models............................................................ 60 pts
3 models............................................................ 90 pts
6 models..........................................................180 pts
Lokhust Heavy Destroyers
1 model .............................................................. 45 pts
2 models............................................................ 90 pts
3 models..........................................................135 pts

Just... why?

 oni wrote:
Holy feth! The Rules Commentary is longer than the fething Core Rules. What the literal feth?!?!?!

They're actually really thorough and concise.

Wolf Guard Pack Leader
1 model ..............................................................30 pts
Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour
1 model ..............................................................45 pts
Wolf Guard Pack Leader with Jump Pack
1 model ..............................................................40 pts

Lol. For 2 attack models? Frack you GW. The WGTDAPL costs the same as a Deathwing Knight? Really? In what delusional universe.

Gasoline on a dumpster fire.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 oni wrote:
Holy feth! The Rules Commentary is longer than the fething Core Rules. What the literal feth?!?!?!

They're actually really thorough and concise.

Where is this rules commentary?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Gasoline on a dumpster fire.

Don't worry, all the usual "influencers" will tell us it is the bestest edition EVAR! as they pout in their videos claiming to be huge fans of 40k as they chuck the free gak GW gave them in the bin once GW forgets Leviathan exists when the new hotness appears for them...

Aash wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 oni wrote:
Holy feth! The Rules Commentary is longer than the fething Core Rules. What the literal feth?!?!?!

They're actually really thorough and concise.

Where is this rules commentary?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/KBvH5h3oY5QREpmG.pdf

So what is the point of writing in Rippers entry ''All models in this unit can each be equipped with 1 spinemaws.'' if it is free so I would be dumb not to take it?

 Eldarsif wrote:

Aash wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 oni wrote:
Holy feth! The Rules Commentary is longer than the fething Core Rules. What the literal feth?!?!?!

They're actually really thorough and concise.

Where is this rules commentary?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/KBvH5h3oY5QREpmG.pdf

Thanks. It hadn’t appeared in the website for me yet.

At least that's cleared up:

Strength, Toughness, Attacks and Damage characteristics can never
be modified below 1. The exception to this is where a rule specifies
that you can change the Damage characteristic to 0, where this is
applied before any other modifiers

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So what is the point of writing in Rippers entry ''All models in this unit can each be equipped with 1 spinemaws.'' if it is free so I would be dumb not to take it?

Bingo! You highlighted the stupidity of everything being free. Why would I not take the best upgrades?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 oni wrote:
Holy feth! The Rules Commentary is longer than the fething Core Rules. What the literal feth?!?!?!

They're actually really thorough and concise.

Sometimes the opposite of what I thought, though.

'All models can swap weapons' apparently means all or nothing.


Also, to put the keyword issue to bed:

Some units can contain models that have different keywords. While
this is the case, such a unit is considered to have all of the keywords
of all of its models, and so is affected by any rule that applies to
units with any of those keywords. Remember that attacks are made
against units, not models.

Example: An Attached unit contains a Leader model with the Psyker
keyword. While that Leader is part of that unit, the entire unit is
considered to have the Psyker keyword. If that unit is attacked by
a weapon with the [ANTI-PSYKER 4+] ability, any unmodified Wound
roll of 4+ made against that unit scores a Critical Wound, even if the
attack itself is not allocated to that Leader model