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 kodos wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Noobies won't look at the rules before they start putting them together.

that is why CP exist and tells you how to build the models so they will fit the CP rules

from a pure intro game point, GW again copied something other games do without understanding why those games do it

for example, other games have those "how to start" guides with building instructions followed by an army list and how to play section using the models you just build
this is great for people who don't know anything and works
but they don't use all models from the box, make clear that this is an introduction and you should chose further options on personal taste, the build options are the ones you would use in the full game as well

so the idea is great, the rest not so much and the most disappointing thing is that there was hope that we finally get a useful small scale game mode but I guess we are back to 2k or nothing

To be honest I am not sure many other games have a 30 year old swamp of models created for completely different editions and design paradigms.

There's a good few games that do have a long legacy, however in general most companies only ever made mono-pose mono-part models.

One way GW has and did stand out for a long time was the concept of optional parts. There's a reason there's so much kit-bashing with GW stuff, but hardly any with other designers. GW just gives you masses of spare parts with some kits - from alternate weapons to details to upgrade parts.

GW even has duel build kits that aren't just a weapon or head swap.


In some ways GW is becoming more normalised" by cutting down on optional parts. Games like Infinity have been running for years with loads of weapons and kit that is never represented on the one or two models that they actually make .






I'm not saying its a right move for GW, indeed as something that let them stand out, reigning it in might be a poor move.

 kodos wrote:
for example, other games have those "how to start" guides with building instructions followed by an army list and how to play section using the models you just build
this is great for people who don't know anything and works
but they don't use all models from the box, make clear that this is an introduction and you should chose further options on personal taste, the build options are the ones you would use in the full game as well

so the idea is great, the rest not so much and the most disappointing thing is that there was hope that we finally get a useful small scale game mode but I guess we are back to 2k or nothing

GW starter sets have generally how to start scenarios utilizing box contents as well including progressively larger parts. Not exactly new.

Leviathan didn't because it's not starter set but once those come will have those again.

talking about Combat Patrol and not the starter boxes
that GW thinks that doing the "starter box thing" with all armies by having dedicated army boxes instead of having different 2 player starters (like the other games) is the issue

PS: and actually not the first time, we already had the very same thing in 7th, but there the box formations were allowed to be used in the full game as well, and were also better than the standard ones available

so I guess also the special CP Detachments will find their way into regular games

So how many they should then make those? 1 is obviously not enough as there's already one. 2? 3? 4? 5? # of factions/2? Every possible faction vs faction combo?

one was enough for years, no need for a dedicated game mode for core box games

Had a quick look at the Combat Patrol stuff. Seems like it will be a fun little game. Need to go through my stuff and see which of the boxes I can cobble together from various bits, so far thinking,

Dark Angels,
Drukhari,

And of course Tyranids and Space Marines when I get my copy of Leviathan.

Really like the new Necron one. I think Death Guard should have been given a new one. Having an Epic Hero seems a bit much for what is meant to be a small game.

 stonehorse wrote:
Had a quick look at the Combat Patrol stuff. Seems like it will be a fun little game. Need to go through my stuff and see which of the boxes I can cobble together from various bits, so far thinking,

Dark Angels,
Drukhari,

And of course Tyranids and Space Marines when I get my copy of Leviathan.

Really like the new Necron one. I think Death Guard should have been given a new one. Having an Epic Hero seems a bit much for what is meant to be a small game.

I’d have to dig into the pile of shame to verify, but the Necron CP looks like it came out of the Indominus box. The giant walker looks a bit different though (but close enough to work). I don’t know the army, but at a glance it looks good.

For those who never got around to off loading the other half of that box.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gamesworkshop.w40k

The new app is up on Play and IOS stores.

Looks like the rules reference section is free, while the army builder side is open for a limited time and will eventually be tied to a WH+ subscription again.

Holy gak the app is *terrible*.

It might be even worse than the last one. This is what they were hoping people would use instead of Battlescribe?

The Combat Patrol versions of the rosters are just mixed in the list of datacards instead of in their own section, but if you go into the roster builder you can't make armies with points values other than 1000, 2000 and 3000 points. So no Combat Patrol to note down your enhancements etc in advance. Or small games. Or boarding patrols it seems.

It's a buggy mess with a completely incompetent layout. I'm told it's "temporarily free" even after logging in as a W+ subscriber.

This strikes me as almost certainly built by the same chumps as the last app. It has similar issues.

Why do I have to click *seven* expand buttons to see a typical datacard properly on an iPad each time I go into one? All the weapons etc aren't visible by default. Every time.

This is hilariously bad.

Yeah I saw the popup that the full features are "available to everyone for a limited time only" can't wait to see what the price tag on this is hahaha

Legends of the HH pdf: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/21/the-legends-of-the-horus-heresy-get-downloadable-rules-for-warhammer-40000/

SM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/g3bIhhmp9MBUCeX6.pdf
CSM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/pV70XLjIji8Z2ELx.pdf
AM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/ivUn0tBjeSF08jma.pdf

Additional info:

What you won’t find in this download are units from the Adeptus Custodes and Knight Households. You can find their rules in the associated Imperial Armour compendiums, which will be released in the near future. Also coming soon are the datasheets for those non-Heresy-era units entering Legends.

We’re almost done with our free rules downloads for the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, but there are still a few big ones left. Tomorrow, the docking hatch opens on new Boarding Actions rules, and you can continue to wage deadly close-range duels in the cramped confines of a space hulk.

 The Phazer wrote:
Holy gak the app is *terrible*.

It might be even worse than the last one. This is what they were hoping people would use instead of Battlescribe?

The Combat Patrol versions of the rosters are just mixed in the list of datacards instead of in their own section, but if you go into the roster builder you can't make armies with points values other than 1000, 2000 and 3000 points. So no Combat Patrol to note down your enhancements etc in advance. Or small games. Or boarding patrols it seems.

It's a buggy mess with a completely incompetent layout. I'm told it's "temporarily free" even after logging in as a W+ subscriber.

This strikes me as almost certainly built by the same chumps as the last app. It has similar issues.

Not Online!!!: 2023/06/07 12:49:06 Subject: 10th Edition Gameplay and Rules news and discussion - Terrain pg 46

I don't wanna say i told people that this was gonna happen, but it did happen...

Building an army with the app is similar to the previous app (which took me some time getting used to).

Unlike the last app, I was able to build a legal list with options. Even at the end of 9th edition, I could I not assign Warlock powers to my Walocks without an error being noted.

It took me under 10 minutes to build a 2000 point Aeldari army with their new app,

Tsagualsa wrote:
Legends of the HH pdf: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/21/the-legends-of-the-horus-heresy-get-downloadable-rules-for-warhammer-40000/

SM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/g3bIhhmp9MBUCeX6.pdf
CSM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/pV70XLjIji8Z2ELx.pdf
AM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/ivUn0tBjeSF08jma.pdf

He, the decimator revives again

You can add too much wargear to units - five Acolytes can all have autopistols, and hand flamers, and mining weapons. Heck, you can give six models in the unit mining weapons when there's only five models in the unit and only two are supposed to be able to take them!

 The Phazer wrote:
You can add too much wargear to units - five Acolytes can all have autopistols, and hand flamers, and mining weapons. Heck, you can give six models in the unit mining weapons when there's only five models in the unit and only two are supposed to be able to take them!

Reminds me of a certain scene in Hot Fuzz...

 The Phazer wrote:
You can add too much wargear to units - five Acolytes can all have autopistols, and hand flamers, and mining weapons. Heck, you can give six models in the unit mining weapons when there's only five models in the unit and only two are supposed to be able to take them!

Is the box at the bottom of the screen yellow? If you touch the box it will advise of any issues (however it won't advise how to correct them).

Tsagualsa wrote:
Legends of the HH pdf: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/21/the-legends-of-the-horus-heresy-get-downloadable-rules-for-warhammer-40000/

SM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/g3bIhhmp9MBUCeX6.pdf
CSM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/pV70XLjIji8Z2ELx.pdf
AM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/ivUn0tBjeSF08jma.pdf

Additional info:

What you won’t find in this download are units from the Adeptus Custodes and Knight Households. You can find their rules in the associated Imperial Armour compendiums, which will be released in the near future. Also coming soon are the datasheets for those non-Heresy-era units entering Legends.

We’re almost done with our free rules downloads for the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, but there are still a few big ones left. Tomorrow, the docking hatch opens on new Boarding Actions rules, and you can continue to wage deadly close-range duels in the cramped confines of a space hulk.

Where are the points costs going to be?

Sarigar wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
You can add too much wargear to units - five Acolytes can all have autopistols, and hand flamers, and mining weapons. Heck, you can give six models in the unit mining weapons when there's only five models in the unit and only two are supposed to be able to take them!

Is the box at the bottom of the screen yellow? If you touch the box it will advise of any issues (however it won't advise how to correct them).

Probably, but why does it let you do it in the first place? Marines can't in the same app.

 The Phazer wrote:

Sarigar wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
You can add too much wargear to units - five Acolytes can all have autopistols, and hand flamers, and mining weapons. Heck, you can give six models in the unit mining weapons when there's only five models in the unit and only two are supposed to be able to take them!

Is the box at the bottom of the screen yellow? If you touch the box it will advise of any issues (however it won't advise how to correct them).

Probably, but why does it let you do it in the first place? Marines can't in the same app.

It did that in the Aeldari list I built. Not sure why it is designed that way.

 The Phazer wrote:
Holy gak the app is *terrible*.

It might be even worse than the last one. This is what they were hoping people would use instead of Battlescribe?

Battlescribe on phone is an abhorration. I have never liked it. Your whole rage post could just be about Battlescribe as far as I'm concerned. I tested the new app and it worked without issues for me. Bit cumbersome, but much less so than Battlescribe. Pretty nice that unit entries have links to their rules. As long as it is free to use I will definitely use this app over Battlescribe.

Us3Less wrote:
As long as it is free to use I will definitely use this app over Battlescribe.

So for about a month then?

Why are Chaos Thunderhawks going to Legends but Imperial ones aren't? It's the same kit just painted different colours.

Why can't World Eaters take Kharybdis?

Works okay for me. I agree, its a bit non-intuitive that you can just hit the + for wargear unlimited times. It does give you an error message but it would be nice to just cap it at the max. Also, I got error messages on a lot of GSC characters for invalid wargear, although they just have the default loadout (and no other options)

What was the old app’s cost? I subscribe to W+, so didn’t pay a whole lot of attention.

Looked at the app, it seems OK. Didn’t fish for bugs though. Bit simple.

I always though the battlescribe mobile app was hot garbage; I only used it on my laptop. This is better then that (although a low bar IMHO)

You can't reorder units, so if you don't add your warlord as the first character he doesn't appear at the top.

Finally Chaos get access to the Kratos in 40k.

App works fine for me. Minor quibbles;

Instead of getting the option for 10 or 20 Necron Warriors, it’s the 10-20, so I have to hit the + for every additional one. Then when you add them it doesn’t add their wargear, so now you have to manually add ten guns and ten close combat weapons, unless you want to give them reapers then you have to manually remove ten guns and add twenty. I really wish for stuff that didn’t have weapons options it was just a checkbox for which one they all had. But this issue was in the old app as well so I’m used to it.

Can’t reorder units, they show up in alphabetical order irregardless. Units with the same name can be reordered by duplicating and deleting them to get the ones you want listed last.

Otherwise it seems quite functional at first pass.

May 27th, 2017 they announced Fires of Cyraxus For Realsies...two editions later, we still don't have rules for Thanatars in 40k.

What a bloody crock.