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 Hellebore wrote:

What you've effectively said is that original marines are just as tall as primaris,

No, what I effectively said was that regardless of what they've said in the marketing intro, the new termies are scaled to match Primaris Marines.

Saying 'Either type can fit in there...' is a way to explain fluff wise not having two different terminator kits, and we're just not supposed to think too hard about how that would actually work.

 Hellebore wrote:

Spoiler:

 insaniak wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:

Which means that primaris are the same size as original marines, or they perform some leg shortening surgery to get them to fit... :p

Looking at the new termies beside a Primaris marine, it's more that the armor is now too tall for Firstborn to fit in there easily... Legs, torso and eye level match up neatly with Primaris proportions and scaling.

With current primaris models vs 15 year old marine models from a different scale era. The terminators from their era matched them perfectly. And as these aren't supposed to be DIFFERENT terminators, but those exact same ones in a new model, it's pretty clear they've given up caring about dong measuring contests between them...

What you've effectively said is that original marines are just as tall as primaris, because the original marine terminator suit has now also been scaled to the same size.

It would be the equivalent of them releasing an updated tactical squad with the same proportions as a primaris.

Personally, I'd love it if they did that.

The just put firstborn on the rack to stretch them out that extra foot so they fit in primaris armour.

 insaniak wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:

What you've effectively said is that original marines are just as tall as primaris,

No, what I effectively said was that regardless of what they've said in the marketing intro, the new termies are scaled to match Primaris Marines.

Saying 'Either type can fit in there...' is a way to explain fluff wise not having two different terminator kits, and we're just not supposed to think too hard about how that would actually work.

https://twitter.com/stahly_top/status/1638847659178967040

Poor Chaos... always getting the short end of the stick New Termis are much bigger than the recent Chaos Terminators, which have already been upscaled to match the Space Marine Heroes Series 2 models.

 insaniak wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:

What you've effectively said is that original marines are just as tall as primaris,

No, what I effectively said was that regardless of what they've said in the marketing intro, the new termies are scaled to match Primaris Marines.

Saying 'Either type can fit in there...' is a way to explain fluff wise not having two different terminator kits, and we're just not supposed to think too hard about how that would actually work.

Terminator armour has always been a thing that has bazillion moving parts that can be tightened or loosened around the wearer as appropriate. It's not like suiting particularly tall or muscular individuals was a problem before, it shan't be a problem now either.

I'm just glad they're moving towards the "yeah yeah they're all space marines move on" convergence. Marines are marines, shorter or taller, and sooner we can erase any "nuh-uh their Primaris USB-ports can't dock with this Rhino" distinctions the better.

There was also a Space Woof character noted as being exceptionally large, and having a modified suit of Terminator armour. That’s been canon since 2nd Ed.

That's cute and all but the physical models will be scaled to Primaris, so it's still the Firstborn getting stretched out on a rack to fit in, not the armour being scaled down. Quality water carrying for GW tho.

 BertBert wrote:

tneva82 wrote:


Think the saurus cavalry is different unit to old saurus cavalry. Aka the old cavalry kit might be remaining.

Different unit size, different base size and with that different model size. If the old kit doesn't remain then in essence the old cavalry models are without rules to use.

I'm expecting a change in rules for this unit instead. The old kit is oop and the riders would clash drastically with the newly established saurus design. They would also be dwarfed by the new skink riders. If the Seraphon are supposed to be cross compatible with ToW eventually (which is very likely), the old saurus cav would look out of place.

oop typical with rebox which would happen with new tome if they stay. Old and new style in same range is typical for GW. And the new models don't exactly look rankable anyway so don't bank on cross compatibility with tow.

tneva82 wrote:


oop typical with rebox which would happen with new tome if they stay. Old and new style in same range is typical for GW. And the new models don't exactly look rankable anyway so don't bank on cross compatibility with tow.

Let's hope you are wrong and they have some trick up their sleeve

Lizardmen win that reveal for me. Awesome new version of classic ones. Cities look kinda comical, especially the one from the left with his halfling like face.

 stahly wrote:

9. New 40k – I welcome all of it, and I hope they can really keep it to free datasheets plus a single page of army rules in the long run. 9th was really unplayable for the casual player. BUT I don't buy any of that Combat Patrol gunk. Clearly a marketing team invention. Has no synergy with expanding from Kill Team, and I expect that a modern set of wargaming rules allows a rewarding experience on any point level small or big. Hopefully you can easily translate it to 500 pts armies of your own.

Combat Patrol doesn't read like marketing team, at least to me.

It reads like the Organized Play advocates in the design team read about MTG's "Jumpstart" packs or Infinity's "Code One" and deciding "Hey, let's do that but worse!".

HH is the most dissapointing reveal. I would rather have another tank.

The more I look at The Lion, the more impressed I am.

It’s just a really nice model. Lots of detail without being overly busy. The pose has a real sense of menacing purpose to it. And it may just be the robes, but it feels significantly better proportioned than Guilliman. Though in possibly meagre defence of Guilliman’s model, my thoughts there may be skewed by the Powerfist thing being so prominent.

There’s just a regality and surety of purpose to it, and I love it.

So one brother got the sword and another got the shield of their father. What will be left for the Russ etc.? A helmet of the Emperor? Maybe a cloak? Or the toothbrush?

Emperor’s Blue Suede Shoes.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So one brother got the sword and another got the shield of their father. What will be left for the Russ etc.? A helmet of the Emperor? Maybe a cloak? Or the toothbrush?

Russ already had one of the emperor's spears. Maybe he comes back with that?

 Hellebore wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So one brother got the sword and another got the shield of their father. What will be left for the Russ etc.? A helmet of the Emperor? Maybe a cloak? Or the toothbrush?

Russ already had one of the emperor's spears. Maybe he comes back with that?

Yeah, the one of the 2 made (another was Apollonian of Valdor) but was it not lost during the batle on Vengeful Spirit? Cannot remember what happened with it.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So one brother got the sword and another got the shield of their father. What will be left for the Russ etc.? A helmet of the Emperor? Maybe a cloak? Or the toothbrush?

Russ has a magic spear, the twin of one that Valdor got from Big E. Dorn could have the power claw, someone can have his laurel wreath thingy. That's before you need to stretch it with the Emperor's bolt gun and so on

I must say that the Cities of Sigmar people are the clear dud for me - i dislike their helmets, they're modelled after real 16th century pieces, but still look like chamberpots to me, and their overall appearance is much too busy imho, although i guess that's largely due to the paintjob - if you picked either one of the red or the orange and stuck to it instead of having both i would look much better. I don't know if it's by accident or by design, but the faces look like specific actors: it's clearly seargant Whoopie Goldberg leading 'Mad Eye' Moody into battle...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 stahly wrote:

9. New 40k – I welcome all of it, and I hope they can really keep it to free datasheets plus a single page of army rules in the long run. 9th was really unplayable for the casual player. BUT I don't buy any of that Combat Patrol gunk. Clearly a marketing team invention. Has no synergy with expanding from Kill Team, and I expect that a modern set of wargaming rules allows a rewarding experience on any point level small or big. Hopefully you can easily translate it to 500 pts armies of your own.

Combat Patrol doesn't read like marketing team, at least to me.

It reads like the Organized Play advocates in the design team read about MTG's "Jumpstart" packs or Infinity's "Code One" and deciding "Hey, let's do that but worse!".

It reads like GW finally realized it needs 1 player starter sets ala Warmachine but had to invent a new format because the bundle boxes that exist aren't balanced vs each other in the game proper.

I feel mixed towards the new indomi termies. While I like the fact that they are chunkier, and simply adore the new double barreled Storm Bolters and the new AC sculpt, I do not like how they changed the proportions of the classic helmet. I will probably use the classic Indomi helmet bits with these new torsos instead. I'm also not a huge fan of the way the lower torso design changed. And also feel salty that SMH2 termies will probably look silly next to these chunky boys.

Not a fan of the new combat patrol box thingy. It's cool for two newbs starting out, they can just both buy a CP box and get cracking, but it's pigeonholing the enitre factions into the contents of those boxes at the same time. A vet player might have a hard time fielding the exact same units in the same numbers against a CP box newb. I don't have a single faction which would qualify for example, and I've invested hundreds if not thousands into the hobby already

Credit where it's due - GW have done some terrible reveal streams over years that they massively overhyped, but this wasn't one of them. They showed a lot of amazing stuff, and gave a really interesting (and a LOT more than I expected) info about tenth edition.

God, imagine they were also going to show off Dante at this thing until last week.

The Lion is a great model. I wasn't actually sure how they'd make him feel very different to his 30k form, but they've really managed to make him feel like an older evolution of that in a much more grimdark world. Nice. Gonna have to magnetise those heads.

New Lizardmen range looks ace and nice preview of Cities (I'm more comfortable with them moving the aesthetic on a bit now TOW is coming, and AOS desperately needs more of a human scale and geography in it's background so hopefully this will help). New Soulblight model is nice, they didn't need too much. Surprised Bonereapers didn't get the rumoured archers.

Beastmen for KT are fine but not super inspiring. Jet pack Votann pleases me more than I thought it would.

The models for 10th look good, and what they showed rules wise all seems to be going in the right direction. Still think they needed to chop more strategems (I would have cut them to two per faction with maybe one extra for variations like Marine Chapters) but moving in the right direction. I suspect that we might end up like eighth, where the games was at it's very best when it first shipped and everything had to be cut down a bit.

 The Phazer wrote:
Surprised Bonereapers didn't get the rumoured archers.

Yeah, it is one unit they should got above else.

I watched lived, and I appreciated the “well let’s kick off with The Lion”.

Their lack of overhyping and just “give the people what they want” was for me, super refreshing.

Quite enjoyed the American chap’s delivery. Definitely enthusiastic, but quite restrained and not gushing. Also really quite knowledgeable about what was being shown off. That informative approach definitely helped elevate it.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So one brother got the sword and another got the shield of their father. What will be left for the Russ etc.? A helmet of the Emperor? Maybe a cloak? Or the toothbrush?

Russ already had one of the emperor's spears. Maybe he comes back with that?

Yeah, the one of the 2 made (another was Apollonian of Valdor) but was it not lost during the batle on Vengeful Spirit? Cannot remember what happened with it.

In modern times afaik, the last time it was seen, Ragnar threw it into Magnus' eye in a portal and it disappeared.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


It reads like GW finally realized it needs 1 player starter sets ala Warmachine but had to invent a new format because the bundle boxes that exist aren't balanced vs each other in the game proper.

The weird thing is that the Boarding Patrol boxes feel (for the most part, Abbadon wouldn't have worked obvs) like they might have been a better choice for this than the Combat Patrols are.

 The Phazer wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


It reads like GW finally realized it needs 1 player starter sets ala Warmachine but had to invent a new format because the bundle boxes that exist aren't balanced vs each other in the game proper.

The weird thing is that the Boarding Patrol boxes feel (for the most part, Abbadon wouldn't have worked obvs) like they might have been a better choice for this than the Combat Patrols are.

Agreed, but GW might feel like they don't showcase enough unit types (no tanks, no bikes...)

Oh yeah, Gallowfall. Did I say I love the new extra terrain sprue gubbins!

Beastmen look weirdly quite AoS-y aside from the cybernetics, but there are a couple of tasty sculpts in there. Votann team might be the coolest looking upgrade sprue team yet.

Conclusion: I will be buying the extra terrain and the book for sure, but I will only buy Gallowfall if someone else wants Votann & the IttD terrain sprues which I already have two full sets of. Gallowfall might sell out in a hot second like last time, so could be a long wait to buy the individual kits..

The Lion looks nice and is a big improvement over the ridiculously gaudy parody that Guilliman was of his excellent Forgeworld model.

I can't comment on the new edition as I haven't played the last two. The edition where you got free points in game for spending more money instore managed to suck all remaining interest in playing out of me that was left after the apocalypsification of the base game.

Beastmen for the most part looks like AoS with a few guns and technology bits hamfisted on.

In addition, and I'm fully aware they are meant to be more on the goatey side of beast, that do have slender limbs IRL. It looks so abstract on beastmen though, maybe they're meant to look impoverished bulk and equipment wise aesthetically, but it just makes them look flimsy. The new Kasrkin are surely chunky boys compared to most of them. There's a few chunkier beastmen, but the rank and file look weaker than a Firewarrier tbh.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So one brother got the sword and another got the shield of their father. What will be left for the Russ etc.? A helmet of the Emperor? Maybe a cloak? Or the toothbrush?

The emperor's throwing stick. Who's the goodest boy? Is it Russ? Who wants to go for walkies?