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Overthinking things are what forums are for!

 Gitdakka wrote:
Overthinking things are what forums are for!

Ah, touché - i'd like to see some game that was much bigger in scale yet than Epic, but imho it's unlikely because a) that's not a game GW could design competently (not that that hindered them in the past) and b) and more important: it's not conductive to selling miniatures, which is GW's main motivation and reason to exist.

I just can't see them releasing a commercial product that can be played with cardboard chits on a map.

RazorEdge wrote:
For an "AT+" Game, it has to few CT Icons.

100% Epic 30k.

Not true.

A Knight Lance can now only have a single Titan as support. If both players are running Knight Houses, then its possible to play AT without Titans.

I thought the fists in the teaser were meant to be represent "Lord of War" as shown on the Superheavy Detachment chart in 40k. But Imperial Fists make more sense. Anyone have more definitive evidence on this?

Pretty sure its Imperial Fists...well, I think they are anyway.

Well hm, after thinking more carefully about it... Fists vs SoH is literally the main conflict for HH 2.0. There is no way "Command legions" could be referring to anything other than space marine legions.

Given these details, I don't see how the graphic in the teaser could be depicting anything other than Epic 30k. They're straight up showing us HH 2.0 but "on a new scale" with titan support. Seriously, what else could it be?


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It doesn't get any more blatant than this

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Gitdakka wrote:
Overthinking things are what forums are for!

Ah, touché - i'd like to see some game that was much bigger in scale yet than Epic, but imho it's unlikely because a) that's not a game GW could design competently (not that that hindered them in the past) and b) and more important: it's not conductive to selling miniatures, which is GW's main motivation and reason to exist.

I just can't see them releasing a commercial product that can be played with cardboard chits on a map.

That would be completely crap when hoping for Epic, but I do have a fondness for "Warmaster" which was the battle onboard the Vengeful Spirit.

I do remember it being a bit of a demo for the retail game based on the second or third battle for Armageddon, was was the same time Yarrick and Ghaz were released. They had both 40K and Epic rules in White Dwarf, which very much tickled my fancy at the time!

artific3r wrote:
Well hm, after thinking more carefully about it... Fists vs SoH is literally the main conflict for HH 2.0. There is no way "Command legions" could be referring to anything other than space marine legions.

Given these details, I don't see how the graphic in the teaser could be depicting anything other than Epic 30k. They're straight up showing us HH 2.0 but "on a new scale" with titan support. Seriously, what else could it be?


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It doesn't get any more blatant than this

Plastic titans? There was that mystery lords of war entry on the roadmap...

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

artific3r wrote:
Well hm, after thinking more carefully about it... Fists vs SoH is literally the main conflict for HH 2.0. There is no way "Command legions" could be referring to anything other than space marine legions.

Given these details, I don't see how the graphic in the teaser could be depicting anything other than Epic 30k. They're straight up showing us HH 2.0 but "on a new scale" with titan support. Seriously, what else could it be?


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It doesn't get any more blatant than this

Plastic titans? There was that mystery lords of war entry on the roadmap...

It's possible. I mean, if we're going to overanalyze that little teaser, the amount of units you see could easily represent a regular 30K battlefield.

 gorgon wrote:


It's possible. I mean, if we're going to overanalyze that little teaser, the amount of units you see could easily represent a regular 30K battlefield.

<breaks down in tears>

That teaser is all we have goddamnit! They wont give us anything else! Even after all we've been through! Coughs and bloody whispers, man!

Only other thing to go on is this -

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/29/warhammer-fest-2023-every-reveal-in-one-place/


Note the word “little” 😉

 gorgon wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Plastic titans? There was that mystery lords of war entry on the roadmap...

It's possible. I mean, if we're going to overanalyze that little teaser, the amount of units you see could easily represent a regular 30K battlefield.

What regular 30k units have long stick bases like that?

SamusDrake wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Gitdakka wrote:
Overthinking things are what forums are for!

Ah, touché - i'd like to see some game that was much bigger in scale yet than Epic, but imho it's unlikely because a) that's not a game GW could design competently (not that that hindered them in the past) and b) and more important: it's not conductive to selling miniatures, which is GW's main motivation and reason to exist.

I just can't see them releasing a commercial product that can be played with cardboard chits on a map.

That would be completely crap when hoping for Epic, but I do have a fondness for "Warmaster" which was the battle onboard the Vengeful Spirit.

I do remember it being a bit of a demo for the retail game based on the second or third battle for Armageddon, was was the same time Yarrick and Ghaz were released. They had both 40K and Epic rules in White Dwarf, which very much tickled my fancy at the time!

The 'Warmaster' card counter game in White Dwarf (not to be confused with fantasy Warmaster years later) was promoting the Horus Heresy boardgame IIRC, which came after the Battle for Armageddon boardgame.

I love those old Wargame Series games. Fantasy Flight used to sell a blinged-up, overcomplicated second edition of the Horus Heresy game with plastic bits. It's not impossible that it could make a return. You certainly do get to 'command legions' in that - a single counter represents an entire Titan Legion (or Space Marine Chapter in BFA).

I think Epic of some kind is more likely, though.

It would be pretty funny (in an exasperating way) if GW changes the size of the minis to encourage new purchases ... but goes smaller instead of bigger, to 3 mm or less, making even the AT titans incompatible.

Well, I think we'd all be happy if it is Epic.

While I still play it, I've found AT to be continually disappointing beyond it's initial launch back in 2018 and have long given up buying anything else for it. Epic is what I'm hoping for this year.

I think the reaction would be..."interesting", to say the least, if they went with 3mm!

I could see myself trying to paint and play 3mm or 2mm gw miniatures just out of curiosity.
Not my picture, but look at that glory. One base of minis is similar to an entire army in 28mm

SamusDrake wrote:
I think the reaction would be..."interesting", to say the least, if they went with 3mm!

Well, regardless of what the forum posts would contain, the reaction would generally be to not make any purchases. People who buy the main set only to decide they were ripped off might even stop making purchases from GW's other product lines.

The more I think about it, the more I think existing collectors will be 'safe' with the official scale. GW would want something that lines up with their existing AI and AT ranges, as a complementary release. Actually, that graphic that shows the AT unit in the battle, shows their intent.

Either that, or my World Eater Legion are going to become one of the 'lost legions' of mini marines, who were struck from the records for being embarrassingly tiny!

I do think it will be the first game line to face very serious problems from 3D printing.

That all depends on the pricing. If gw puts out a affordable option, most people wont bother with printing. People like the comfort of buying miniatures sets rather than crafting then themselves.

Also note that printing is a hobby of its own as well. But I can imagine GW going hard after those providing STLs of their designs once Epic is out.

It would follow the same patterns as piracy in other media -- provide a superior service and most customers won't bother.

artific3r wrote:
It would follow the same patterns as piracy in other media -- provide a superior service and most customers won't bother.

And superiority has many dimensions here - going into a GW or brick-and-mortar store and buying stuff is, for many people, superior to ordering on online platforms they never heard of before, sometimes with weird payment methods they don't have already or other potential problems like customs/taxes and so on. Knowing that you deal with a trusthworthy corporation or store is a thing many people desire, especially when shopping online for relatively pricy stuff.

artific3r wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Plastic titans? There was that mystery lords of war entry on the roadmap...

It's possible. I mean, if we're going to overanalyze that little teaser, the amount of units you see could easily represent a regular 30K battlefield.

What regular 30k units have long stick bases like that?

Didn't we just cover that a couple of pages ago? They aren't bases, they're military map symbols.

I think this *probably* is some kind of small-scale something, but it's still possible that some of you are setting yourself up for disappointment here.

Joke's on us when it turns out it's a re-release of this:

 zedmeister wrote:
Joke's on us when it turns out it's a re-release of this:

Unironically, I would like to see that specific board reimagined like a map for a specific Boxset.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
I do think it will be the first game line to face very serious problems from 3D printing.

I agree, but the business plan is everything. The focus could be on blowing out a bunch of grand master edition-style boxed sets at launch. They'd probably manufacture a reasonable number and sell through those on the nostalgia play. And we have no product details of any kind. Maybe it's even a complete, finished game in a box. I think 3D printing becomes more of a threat as the level of continuing support increases.

I do think it's a little unrealistic to think that GW wouldn't premium price the miniatures. And if some of them are FW resin, look out. Just look at AT armiger pricing.

As mentioned previously, I'm not an Epic player and don't know who is doing the best models. However, one Google search of "Epic 40k 3d printed" and 5 minutes of browsing have already come up with plenty of suppliers.
Picking at random, I see a set of 3 tanks for £7-£9 as a single piece of resin, zero assembly required and free shipping. This is the current option and price for anyone who is serious about starting Epic but doesn't want the hassle of printing themselves.
This is the standard that currently exists and is available for purchase today. I don't know what GW intends to offer but I assume it will be a bloodbath for anyone currently selling within that niche.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 odinsgrandson wrote:
Would they do a relaunch of epic in a new 40k edition year?

Most things point to it being a "boxed game" entry. Those things aren't really any sort of competition for 40k new edition.

I wouldn't expect a new Epic to compete with 40k sales all that much. But it might compete with design and development time for both the rules and new miniatures.

I know a lot of Blood Bowl players have been due for a new team or two and are blaming new 40k for the delay.

We used to think that the boxed games were all about getting a little financial boost in years when there wasn't a new edition of 40k or WFB. I haven't looked into it, but I'm guessing that pattern hasn't held over the years.

That really makes me wonder how big we should expect a new Epic 40,000 to be.


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Mozzamanx wrote:
As mentioned previously, I'm not an Epic player and don't know who is doing the best models. However, one Google search of "Epic 40k 3d printed" and 5 minutes of browsing have already come up with plenty of suppliers.
Picking at random, I see a set of 3 tanks for £7-£9 as a single piece of resin, zero assembly required and free shipping. This is the current option and price for anyone who is serious about starting Epic but doesn't want the hassle of printing themselves.
This is the standard that currently exists and is available for purchase today. I don't know what GW intends to offer but I assume it will be a bloodbath for anyone currently selling within that niche.

It is up in the air, right?

I mean, anyone who is listing their products as "Epic 40,000 STL" might get a C&D. But if they've figured out a way to express this in generic terms, it would be harder to prove (if they sculpted their own STLs rather than scan old Epic minis).

Has GW been sending out a lot of lawsuits to STL providers lately?

30K Mighty Empires inbound

You can alway say proxy mini's for epic.