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 Pacific wrote:
Some GREAT news for the existing community.

I hope he doesn't mind me posting this here, but Ian Wood (one of the main pillars of the Epic community) has done some Geometry on the photos, based on the size of a Warhound and base, and worked out an approx size of the new infantry. In summary, they are bigger than classic Epic, but not excessively so and should match well with existing proxy ranges.

Not surprising. They scaled titans so that marines would be 8mm tall(hence idea that at was 8mm scale game...).

Tsagualsa wrote:

Note also the small box saying 'Epic scale' in the lower left.

That is the one reason why I think they are planning to expanding into 40k sometime in the future. Why give your scale a branding (especially since it isn't the actual epic scale from back in the day) if you don't use it for multiple products

6mm is epic scale though. Just because they put vehicles and titans actually be 6mm doesn't mean it's not same scale.

tneva82 wrote:
Not surprising. They scaled titans so that marines would be 8mm tall(hence idea that at was 8mm scale game...).

Yup, which IIRC comes to about 1:265 scale or 6.35-6.5mm. Old Epic infantry were 6mm, so this tracks with being just a bit larger than the old infantry but not enough to cause problems putting them side by side.

I'm pretty thrilled that the game is having Auxilia right off the bat. It's more interesting than mirror matches and those tanks look great.

 Kiiroitori wrote:
Sorry i use the phone to see this...and some of peoples texts appears tiny while mines appears (for me) normal size but seems you see them huge

:(

To fix the different size texts on a mobile go to 'switch theme' at the top and select a different one than 'mobile friendly'.

To fix your posts, stop putting them in giant font...

 Pacific wrote:
Some GREAT news for the existing community.

I hope he doesn't mind me posting this here, but Ian Wood (one of the main pillars of the Epic community) has done some Geometry on the photos, based on the size of a Warhound and base, and worked out an approx size of the new infantry. In summary, they are bigger than classic Epic, but not excessively so and should match well with existing proxy ranges.

I'm reporting you to Ian!

I'd actually just seen him post this to the Epic 40k remastered page and this is looking hopeful to me! If those bases are 25mm and the heights are spot on, I even think I can squeeze most of the units on to my existing basing and use all the new sculpts alongside about 95% of my old collection.

I know some people will want to play Epic as a 'pure' GW experience, but I haven't counted myself as a 'warhammer' player for a very long time. I'm a wargamer that just happens to like Epic 40k more than other games out there. As I'm down to about 20 more necromunda miniatures left to collect to 'complete' my 95 collection, and about three units shy of owning everything I want/need for almost every WFB/AoS army I have, this is probably the only game coming that would keep my buying into GW products for the foreseeable future.

I'm just waiting for them to announce this is all resin (apart from the warhounds) and quickly change my mind on the game overall!

 Matrindur wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Note also the small box saying 'Epic scale' in the lower left.

That is the one reason why I think they are planning to expanding into 40k sometime in the future. Why give your scale a branding (especially since it isn't the actual epic scale from back in the day) if you don't use it for multiple products

It certainly seems like the next step in building Epic into it's own ecosystem. The last five years gave us terrain, titans, knights, and aircraft. The next 3-5 years looks set to build up a range of infantry, tanks, and further terrain that can all be used in games with any future xenos releases.

My big concern right now though is that this releases so soon after the new 40k edition and regular scale HH revamp. Not sure that timing gives Epic the strongest start to build on.

 catbarf wrote:

I'm pretty thrilled that the game is having Auxilia right off the bat. It's more interesting than mirror matches and those tanks look great.

Yeah it's a great way to add some variation to games while still allowing models to be grouped into the same collection. Hopefully they eventually get around to doing Mechanicum and Ordinatus engines too.

They showed a lot more than I was expecting them to at this point.

 xttz wrote:
Hopefully they eventually get around to doing Mechanicum and Ordinatus engines too.

Agreed. I would love to recreate my Mechanicum army at Epic scale.

But part of why I'm so thrilled is because I already have 3D print files for most of the Mechanicum stuff, and the EpicAU community has already made rules for Horus Heresy using the Epic:Armageddon ruleset.

So as far as I'm concerned, this is a win-win. If the game is good and GW expands it to include other factions, then awesome. If the game sucks, then I can use the availability of plastic minis to draw my buddies into an established and excellent ruleset, and 3D print all the stuff GW won't.

I was a little bit meh about Aeronautica 2.0 so I'm interested to see how exactly they're doing the rules for Epic this time around.

 Pacific wrote:
So there we go, Epic (or Legions Imperialis) is confirmed.

A couple of things I have taken from it.
Scale - so a dreadnought almost the size of a 28mm marine, 8mm marines with a *lot* of detail. So they are taking the 'Wakes Emporium' route of how to do this game, I hope you enjoyed having your eyesight!

Minitaures in the box - combined with the round bases, there was no mention of rules but Im gonna say that rules out Epic SM/NetEpic type rules. There aren't enough minis in the box for even a half decent game of SM2, I dont think Epic 40k either - so I think this will either be based on Armageddon, or something else new entirely.

Are you sure about the Dread size? If yes I will be able to put HH 2.0 transfers on these models as well as on the tanks.

Epic is coming home! Can´t wait to get my hands on this new release but prior to that I need to build appropriate terrain.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
So there we go, Epic (or Legions Imperialis) is confirmed.

A couple of things I have taken from it.
Scale - so a dreadnought almost the size of a 28mm marine, 8mm marines with a *lot* of detail. So they are taking the 'Wakes Emporium' route of how to do this game, I hope you enjoyed having your eyesight!

Minitaures in the box - combined with the round bases, there was no mention of rules but Im gonna say that rules out Epic SM/NetEpic type rules. There aren't enough minis in the box for even a half decent game of SM2, I dont think Epic 40k either - so I think this will either be based on Armageddon, or something else new entirely.

Are you sure about the Dread size? If yes I will be able to put HH 2.0 transfers on these models as well as on the tanks.

Epic is coming home! Can´t wait to get my hands on this new release but prior to that I need to build appropriate terrain.

They specifically said in the video that the Contemptors would be about as large as a HH-scale marine.

Ah, the 8mm scale confusion discussion... so much wasted time on people not comprehending a throwaway WarCom comment. People on the internet are just... *chef's kiss*

This is great timing for me. I've already got a couple armies worth of Space Marines printed up. GW's price increases make the box likely not at all worth it, but I will definitely check out the rules. Not to mention this may cause some stl designers to get inspired and step up their games.

Tsagualsa wrote:
They specifically said in the video that the Contemptors would be about as large as a HH-scale marine.

you sure?
because an AT Knight is about the size of a regular HH scale Marine, and a Contemptor is not Knight size

To increase the confusion; they adviced Epic in 1997 as "5mm Scale".

 kodos wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
They specifically said in the video that the Contemptors would be about as large as a HH-scale marine.

you sure?
because an AT Knight is about the size of a regular HH scale Marine, and a Contemptor is not Knight size

Their wording was 'these Dreadnoughts in Legion Imperialis stand a little bit shorter than a Spacemarine in Warhammer 40.000'. It's in the part of the video where they show each individual unit, when they show the Contemptors.

 kodos wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
They specifically said in the video that the Contemptors would be about as large as a HH-scale marine.

you sure?
because an AT Knight is about the size of a regular HH scale Marine, and a Contemptor is not Knight size

IIRC the stream said they were 'nearly as tall' as a marine.

Luckily it's easy enough to take the height of last year's plastic contemptor and divide it by 4!

Tsagualsa wrote:

 kodos wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
They specifically said in the video that the Contemptors would be about as large as a HH-scale marine.

you sure?
because an AT Knight is about the size of a regular HH scale Marine, and a Contemptor is not Knight size

Their wording was 'these Dreadnoughts in Legion Imperialis stand a little bit shorter than a Spacemarine in Warhammer 40.000'. It's in the part of the video where they show each individual unit, when they show the Contemptors.

That doesn't match with pics on warhammer community from stream though.

(and would be weird size mistake as that would make contemptors questor knight size...)

tneva82 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 kodos wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
They specifically said in the video that the Contemptors would be about as large as a HH-scale marine.

you sure?
because an AT Knight is about the size of a regular HH scale Marine, and a Contemptor is not Knight size

Their wording was 'these Dreadnoughts in Legion Imperialis stand a little bit shorter than a Spacemarine in Warhammer 40.000'. It's in the part of the video where they show each individual unit, when they show the Contemptors.

That doesn't match with pics on warhammer community from stream though.

True, but they said it

Well it's community team. They say all sort of mistakes

tneva82 wrote:
Well it's community team. They say all sort of mistakes

It's not difficult to clear up: AT scale is just 40k scale divided by four, and a Contemptor is slightly more than twice as tall as a Space Marine:



So an AT scale Contemptor should be slightly more than half-as-tall as a 40k Space Marine.

Has anyone heard anything about who has designed the game?

I did read one rumour that it was Jervis Johnson's last game before he retired, but no way to verify. That could mean anything, and doesn't preclude the possibility of it being a re-hash of Armageddon.

I have asked in the FB group if any of the community rules designers (from the existing net versions of NetEpic, Armageddon or Epic 40k) if they know of anything or were consulted at all during the creation of the game.

 Pacific wrote:
Has anyone heard anything about who has designed the game?

I did read one rumour that it was Jervis Johnson's last game before he retired, but no way to verify. That could mean anything, and doesn't preclude the possibility of it being a re-hash of Armageddon.

I have asked in the FB group if any of the community rules designers (from the existing net versions of NetEpic, Armageddon or Epic 40k) if they know of anything or were consulted at all during the creation of the game.

IIRC the thing about Jervis was from a made-up faeit212 rumour.

I haven´t seen any gaming aids for the game so far such as dice, measuring tape (cm or inches?) templates and specific markers. So what about them?

 Strg Alt wrote:
I haven´t seen any gaming aids for the game so far such as dice, measuring tape (cm or inches?) templates and specific markers. So what about them?

The video in the article shows the back of the box, and includes a photo of the box contents. The classic 3 templates are shown along with whippy stick rulers and some white dice. There's also a sheet of card tokens that are hard to make any details on.

Tsagualsa wrote:
So an AT scale Contemptor should be slightly more than half-as-tall as a 40k Space Marine.

that is my point, almost the size of a Marine and half the size of a Marine make a difference
because if the Contemptor is almost the Marine size, the bases in the preview are not 25mm but rather 50mm and this would change everything

so we assume the community team does not know what they are talking and the bases are 25mm

Tsagualsa wrote:

IIRC the thing about Jervis was from a made-up faeit212 rumour.

That rumor appeared first on a french board before Faeit "copied" it.

 xttz wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
I haven´t seen any gaming aids for the game so far such as dice, measuring tape (cm or inches?) templates and specific markers. So what about them?

The video in the article shows the back of the box, and includes a photo of the box contents. The classic 3 templates are shown along with whippy stick rulers and some white dice. There's also a sheet of card tokens that are hard to make any details on.

Thanks.

Sorry if this has been confirmed (couldnt see it). Is the box set just 1 army? They are all painted the same?

So two boxes to play a friend?

VAYASEN wrote:
Sorry if this has been confirmed (couldnt see it). Is the box set just 1 army? They are all painted the same?

So two boxes to play a friend?

The box is practically three armies: two Titans, a small Space Marine army and a small Imperial Guard army. The game is apparently set up in a way that a 'typical' force may contain elements from several subfactions, so you can use the contents of a box as one large force or you can play SM vs. Guard with one Titan on each side.

The Adeptus Titanicus Questoris knights are about 40K marine size, so contemptors should be smaller. With the warhound as reference that appears to be correct based on the group shot.