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 kodos wrote:
With advertising that a normal game is 100+ pieces and one "piece" being a 25mm base or larger, it will be 6x4 at least

IMHO it's a given that larger is always better with epic, to make the most out of transports, artillery and fliers. With too small a table, you run in the 'parking lot' problem a lot.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kind of?

The Legions had Chapters as part of their overall structure. However, a Chapter being defined as 10 Companies of 10 squads of 10 Marines does come from the post-Heresy Codex Astartes. But, given the author of that august volume, I think we can comfortably say the Ultramarines Chapter was comprised of Companies each 1,000 (or thereabouts) Marines.

During the Heresy casualties and induction varied so wildly between Legion and indeed war zone I don’t think it was especially well defined? There would’ve been some standardisation with a given Legion if only for logistics. As in, if 5 companies were committed to a given battle or war zone, the Primarch and command would have a solid idea of how many boots on the grounds that would mean.

Oh hey that's a fair point. Come to think of it I can't remember seeing many, if indeed any, ultramarines models in 'official' HH media put out by GW; the idea they could paint a thousand smurfs and *add* variety to their promotional materials gives me a good chuckle

Dudeface wrote:

leopard wrote:
dunno about actual plastic tiles, however off the back of other games I can see folding paper/card type gaming mats

They mentioned model count but not table size which seems fishy to me tbh, I suspect it'll be either 4x4 or 6x4 otherwise they'd be drumming up marketing saying "use your existing play surface" type stuff.

My not-so-secret hope is that they will release a set of 12"² ruined cityscape tiles to match the bases and the buildings, similar to the Necromunda tiles.

 Bolognesus wrote:
Oh hey that's a fair point. Come to think of it I can't remember seeing many, if indeed any, ultramarines models in 'official' HH media put out by GW; the idea they could paint a thousand smurfs and *add* variety to their promotional materials gives me a good chuckle

Uh?


Also for the way that Legions were generally organised, look no further than the Principia Belicosa:

Most Legions adhered to this structuring with the only real difference being that as the Legions grew, so did their Chapters and Companies.

that sort of background detail is why I really love this game

 Gert wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
Oh hey that's a fair point. Come to think of it I can't remember seeing many, if indeed any, ultramarines models in 'official' HH media put out by GW; the idea they could paint a thousand smurfs and *add* variety to their promotional materials gives me a good chuckle

Uh?

Spoiler:

Also for the way that Legions were generally organised, look no further than the Principia Belicosa:

Spoiler:

Most Legions adhered to this structuring with the only real difference being that as the Legions grew, so did their Chapters and Companies.

...Oh. Oops. Wasn't really "around" for 1e HH so that box slipped my mind, for sure! Is the force organization structure chart 1e material as well or have I just skimmed over it in the 2e book(s)?

thats from one of the 1st edition Black Books, the level of background they have is incredible

missed that box but grabbed two of Burning of Prospero which I thought was the better of the two - both decent though and the actual game inside wasn't that bad either

First ever Black Book for the original FW series, Betrayal. God it was such a magical time when that came out. You won't see that level of detail in the army books but Siege of Cthonia has done a bang-up job of equalling the level of detail and dedication. Any worries I had about HH2 not being up to scratch in terms of background were alleviated with the image spreads in the army books and blown away by Siege.

Always interesting to see a force org. Also interesting to see at what level GW adds in the infinitely expanding bit. Seems to be 2 places here, chapters and companies.

Baseline humans can deal with maybe 4 or 5 separate work streams at any one time. I suppose marines could handle more as they are augmented. Also interesting to see that the force org also acknowledges intermediate groupings of companies, likely for this reason.

 Gert wrote:
First ever Black Book for the original FW series, Betrayal. God it was such a magical time when that came out. You won't see that level of detail in the army books but Siege of Cthonia has done a bang-up job of equalling the level of detail and dedication. Any worries I had about HH2 not being up to scratch in terms of background were alleviated with the image spreads in the army books and blown away by Siege.

yes, will be getting that when the FLGS gets it back in stock, likely getting all the books, they are worth it.. I want the ones for the false emperor anyway just to see what vile dirty tricks his followers have available but so far they are just very good books

leopard wrote:


yes, will be getting that when the FLGS gets it back in stock, likely getting all the books, they are worth it.. I want the ones for the false emperor anyway just to see what vile dirty tricks his followers have available but so far they are just very good books

It's direct only. You need to ask your FLGS to special order it for you through the webstore.

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That terrain is looking nice!

Plastic tiles ala Zone Mortalis tiles? Certainly look like it...






Also, looks like the Firefight mechanic is staying in some fashion

Please be plastic tiles! The one thing I've always struggled with in Epic was getting good terrain done and half of that is I could never get roads/bases right for terrain! I'd honestly buy plastic tiles up and hoard them like the necromunda folk did back when they came out!

I still wasn't 100% if this would come off as a cheap, one and done type game and the first pictures that went up were ok but not of the quality I'd expect of this sort of release.

But these are much better. Had I been scrolling through social media and passed these, I'd probably have mistaken them for a decent looking 40k game. Only the multi basing really gives it away.

The new terrain looks ok, but not terrible exciting. Thankfully there a lot of plastic terrain options to add more variety.

I'm still disappointed about the lack of Orks, they would have looked so good with a new range of stompa models! But I'm ok with it, I can buy into this and keep playing E40k and keep using vanguard orks. Its not the release I'd have asked for, but I can definitely make the best games with this as part of the larger hobby! I am excited to get my hands on the plastic tanks (for cutting them up for ork terrain of course!)

Could be plastic tiles but after we never got the Kill team floors I wouldn't bet on it

Really not liking the big turds between the feet of all the infantry models, hoping they aren't too hard to remove.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Really not liking the big turds between the feet of all the infantry models, hoping they aren't too hard to remove.

Why - don't you want every model to have their own tactical rock? /s

beast_gts wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Really not liking the big turds between the feet of all the infantry models, hoping they aren't too hard to remove.

Why - don't you want every model to have their own tactical rock? /s

Haha, if they were actually standing on the rock it might be less offensive.

I'm guessing they either had issues with legs breaking when they're clipped out of the sprue, or they want to have it so they can be glued down with superglue without constantly falling off. I imagine if the models are plastic, and they're glued down with plastic cement, the tactical turd will be unnecessary from the strength perspective.... but maybe it's hard to remove without breaking a leg off.

They've done it to increase surface area contact between the model and base so that any glue is stronger. Quite often models like Tyranid or Chaos daemons which have thin claws dug into the ground have bits of debris / junk attached for the same reason.

I wonder why they didn't just use the old Epic recessed-style infantry base design instead.

 xttz wrote:
They've done it to increase surface area contact between the model and base so that any glue is stronger. Quite often models like Tyranid or Chaos daemons which have thin claws dug into the ground have bits of debris / junk attached for the same reason.

I wonder why they didn't just use the old Epic recessed-style infantry base design instead.

Because those things are the devil to pop the individual infantry into those holes.

 xttz wrote:
They've done it to increase surface area contact between the model and base so that any glue is stronger. Quite often models like Tyranid or Chaos daemons which have thin claws dug into the ground have bits of debris / junk attached for the same reason.

If it's glued with plastic cement, the attachment point will be as strong as the rest of the model, so the model will probably be more likely to break at the knee than the foot.

I wonder why they didn't just use the old Epic recessed-style infantry base design instead.

I'm guessing because they wanted the moulded detail on the bases.

Maybe they were also trying to save some money by having the same base for everything. If they used recessed bases, the infantry would need different bases to the dreadnoughts, which would be different from the monstrous infantry.

I noticed they've also done bases for the Knights. I wonder if all the AT stuff is going to get reboxed with new bases. A lot of the AT range is "No longer available Online", hopefully just a reboxing.

I plan to just glue sand/ballast to the bases, so it's less of an issue for me, but they do stand out a bit if you're going for the bare stone look. The legs look wide enough on the marines that it shouldn't be too difficult to nip them or cut them with a hobby knife.

NVM- now that there's more examples to see I think it is a base slug between the legs on flat bases. Was initially thinking the tactical rock helped hide the seam for a circle cutout like on the old bases.

Ignispacium wrote:
I plan to just glue sand/ballast to the bases, so it's less of an issue for me, but they do stand out a bit if you're going for the bare stone look. The legs look wide enough on the marines that it shouldn't be too difficult to nip them or cut them with a hobby knife.

Same here, I based all my old Epic miniatures like that and it worked well.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 kodos wrote:
With advertising that a normal game is 100+ pieces and one "piece" being a 25mm base or larger, it will be 6x4 at least

IMHO it's a given that larger is always better with epic, to make the most out of transports, artillery and fliers. With too small a table, you run in the 'parking lot' problem a lot.

Gw likes parking lot look though. And they can't make money out of 6x4.

Only good news hh2 is 6x4 so maybb hope.

Those floors are so plain they might as well be MDF.

Really liking the ruined buildings. Probably the best epic terrain I’ve seen from GW. Nice bit of height, and looks to be pretty flexible in terms of building upwards.



I’m hoping they’re fully compatible with the returning AT terrain, so we can have a lower floor more intact, and a big old hole blasted into it further up.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Those floors are so plain they might as well be MDF.

Cracked paving, roads and drains? Admittedly maybe mdf with some cardstock or plasticard on

Those streets look like a Monopoly board!

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