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Disappointed in the delay, but it gives me more time to finish all that Civitas Imperialis Sector scenery I've got lying around (take that!, pile of shame) and repaint some of my old minis that will hopefully pass muster with the new stuff (FW versions of the super-heavies might be near enough).

Hopefully, 'later' means September.

Have flagged to the mods for a clean up.

Still a bit disappointed we’re not getting any GenCon content from GW. Would’ve been cool to show off a little more, perhaps a demo game.

Keen to see the artillery made available to Solar Auxilia. We’ve seen some for Heresy, such as the Basilisk and Medusa, but based on the Leman Russ chassis. This scale gives more freedom to go a bit crazy with designs.

For instance, 28mm isn’t particularly conducive to say, Super Heavy Artillery. But it could fit quite nicely in 6/7/8mm scale, where ludicrous ranges can mean something.

Likewise, the Deathstrike is far more at home in Epic.

 Pacific wrote:
In response to Xttz, here here..

Anyway - The FB groups have had massive uptakes of volumes of new members over recent weeks.
As there is a delay I've tried to help push people towards Vanguard miniatures and some of the Community rules efforts - let them know there is an Epic ecosphere other than the one which is about to come from GW.

For Vanguard at least, I'm guessing their sales might have taken a big hit as I am sure almost everyone uses their stuff for proxies (even though they do have their own game and setting now) and most will be waiting for the new LI release - so hopefully might push a couple of restless potential new Epic players their way.

I've got some of the Vanguard stuff here, and while I now have a 3d printer I have to say the Vanguard stuff is very nice, and hopefully if they feel the need to adjust the scale and then offer either/or for the ranges they are excellent, and even with a printer I can see getting more infantry from them

Can you not just print at 110% or whatever size?

As ever I don’t know much about the ins and outs, but my mate with the right kit has been able to resizograph kits with little fuss?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Have flagged to the mods for a clean up.

Still a bit disappointed we’re not getting any GenCon content from GW. Would’ve been cool to show off a little more, perhaps a demo game.

Keen to see the artillery made available to Solar Auxilia. We’ve seen some for Heresy, such as the Basilisk and Medusa, but based on the Leman Russ chassis. This scale gives more freedom to go a bit crazy with designs.

For instance, 28mm isn’t particularly conducive to say, Super Heavy Artillery. But it could fit quite nicely in 6/7/8mm scale, where ludicrous ranges can mean something.

Likewise, the Deathstrike is far more at home in Epic.

the old deathstrike rules where the thing was a cruise missile were good, dice for how far it went with a chance of going no further so longer ranges were a bit more of a risk.

Do hope though that unlike Space Marine this time around they stick to the scale, they can make "OMG thats huge" these days so its perfectly possible and fits much better with how terrain and line of sight is handled

with the release delay of the boxed set (and for whatever reason I'm happy with a delay over a problem later) it at least gives me time to sort some seriously small marines out to go with the already printed & painted armour. and while I cannot see GW doing it, actually releasing some of the expansion boxes ahead of the boxed set "to give you time to get the built and painted", with enough info to make legal units would be nice


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Can you not just print at 110% or whatever size?

As ever I don’t know much about the ins and outs, but my mate with the right kit has been able to resizograph kits with little fuss?

for the ones I have, designed for 6mm it was quite simple to upscale and they printed out just fine, I would guess that Vanguard are 3d printing masters for making metals from so likely not a huge issue, just the usual time and manpower so its demand based and likely needs the actual GW kits in hand to check it all works visually

The delay could also give GW the opportunity to drum up more interest, as they can release more info and previews to fill the time... which might help sales.

Hobby burn our from the constant barrage of new shiny models is a real thing, and can put people off, so a slight slow down os a nice change of pace.

 stonehorse wrote:
The delay could also give GW the opportunity to drum up more interest, as they can release more info and previews to fill the time... which might help sales.

Hobby burn our from the constant barrage of new shiny models is a real thing, and can put people off, so a slight slow down os a nice change of pace.

Could also be a rammed release slate. I mean, in the coming months we’ve Space Marines and Tyranids, we’re promised more stuff for Heresy, and Legions Imperialis.

A quick shunt around of the schedule may be to space it out a bit? Not only does that help our individual pockets, but for Stores and GW helps avoid a big takings month they’d struggle to match next year in terms of Like For Like Sales and the measurement thereof.

I would imagine the announced delay is somehow related to the scheduled move to the new distribution hub and warehouse. i suspect something may have gone awry it might impact planned releases and Legions Imperialis was the one they felt safest to delay?

I'm glad they are doing a "rules only" pack, which is probably what I'll go for. With my piles of older epic stuff, I have no desire to upscale the actual models. No interest in the solar auxillia, and I can print off counts-as for anything new which has appeared for the marines since.

CAF+4 looks a bit low for Terminators. That's only as good as a second stand of human grunts (CAF+D6). I'm pretty sure 5 Terminators should be able to handle 10 (or even 20) regular humans in a fight without breaking a sweat.

The simplest explanation (the one with fewest theoretical guesses) is often the best.

My head says logistics/warehousing. My heart says datacard redesign

Better to delay a side game than anything 40k or even AoS related.

The delay gives me time to put funds aside for this, and I'm impressed so far with everything I've seen.
Now, depending on how well produced this launch box is, there might be a lot of wisdom in just purchasing the rules and buying the sprues from the box from resellers.

Side game, sir?

SIDE GAME?!

 Pacific wrote:
Side game, sir?

SIDE GAME?!

I read this in Howard Moon’s voice

(Julian Barratt’s character from Mighty Boosh…I have no idea if that’s an esoteric reference these days or what)

 Pacific wrote:
Side game, sir?

SIDE GAME?!

Today is a sad day.

We have someone in the Barbie thread saying Rocky Horror Picture Show isn’t a good film. And now…..this betrayal

Woe, woe and thrice woe.

So much woe, it’s starting to sound like an Offspring record from the hit parade!

Okay, warnings have been issued and I think I got all of it plus the quotes that were quoting the bits that really didn't need to go here. If I missed a quote or something, pretty please with extra sticky napalm on top, do not re-quote it, but report it.

That said, let's stay on topic now, I am as excited as you guys for this and the delay is a sad thing, but let's stay on target and take all the other bants (is that still a word or am I showing my age now?) regarding third party alternatives, the joy of soon owning even more tanks (if tank legions are a thing, I am in!), but in a tinier format and whatever else to a thread of its own, okay kids?

Cheers! 👊🏻

The delay is alleged to be related to the books, influencers were instructed to send them back and keep the miniatures. It would seem the re-printing of the books is what's going to delay the release window to later in the year. No, this is not a troll, this is reliable information. HH 2.0 had a few small errors or inconsistencies between different language printings. In this case, stuff like upgrade costs were not properly accounted for for infantry and unit cards did not match the stats/costs in the book for some units. If its big enough to require the delay its pervasive enough to mean a faq/errata wouldn't be sufficient. If its bad enough for them take the hit of having to re-print books. At least we'll get a better book in the end so that's silver lining. hoping we don't have to wait too long.

 Crablezworth wrote:
The delay is alleged to be related to the books, influencers were instructed to send them back and keep the miniatures. It would seem the re-printing of the books is what's going to delay the release window to later in the year. No, this is not a troll, this is reliable information. HH 2.0 had a few small errors or inconsistencies between different language printings. In this case, stuff like upgrade costs were not properly accounted for for infantry and unit cards did not match the stats/costs in the book for some units. If its big enough to require the delay its pervasive enough to mean a faq/errata wouldn't be sufficient. If its bad enough for them take the hit of having to re-print books. At least we'll get a better book in the end so that's silver lining.

they need to add the bit about paying points for upgrades in that they "forgot" to include...

actual reprint suggests its more than a page or two being wrong that could be corrected with an insert in the box & book, even stuff like incorrect ISBN or barcode would require a reprint, but the recall from those who already have it suggests a content error thats quite bad. I doubt it will be fluff text related.

but then it could be something laughably trivial, like someone forgetting to update the contents & index so all the page number references are wrong, one of those gun-foot-aim-fire embarrassing things.

either way I'd hope they take the chance to do a reasonably careful read through

reprint means someone has the fun job of opening, repackaging and resealing all the boxes too, I do not envy them, especially as how the book tends to be under all the sprues.

there is an upside to all this, someone spotted something ahead of the actual release and there was a chance to do something about it, we will probably find out what, and maybe who at some point (if it was an "influencer" they either know or would likely copy the book prior to returning, but will I guess be carefully looking for whatever now before sending it back). Says a fair bit that GW are wanting the previous ones back too.

wondering if if could be something more "business critical", e.g. there are pictures of things that are not meant to be released yet?

 Crablezworth wrote:
The delay is alleged to be related to the books, influencers were instructed to send them back and keep the miniatures. It would seem the re-printing of the books is what's going to delay the release window to later in the year. No, this is not a troll, this is reliable information. HH 2.0 had a few small errors or inconsistencies between different language printings. In this case, stuff like upgrade costs were not properly accounted for for infantry and unit cards did not match the stats/costs in the book for some units. If its big enough to require the delay its pervasive enough to mean a faq/errata wouldn't be sufficient. If its bad enough for them take the hit of having to re-print books. At least we'll get a better book in the end so that's silver lining. hoping we don't have to wait too long.

Since influencers already have them I wonder if and how long it will be until we get more leaks. Modelwise there shouldn't be more in the book than the old leak already showed but ruleswise there is still much to show and I don't believe there won't be a someone who can't hold back if it still takes more than a month.

leopard wrote:

but then it could be something laughably trivial, like someone forgetting to update the contents & index so all the page number references are wrong, one of those gun-foot-aim-fire embarrassing things.

IIRC, the first edition of Team Yankee had that issue.

Eumerin wrote:

leopard wrote:

but then it could be something laughably trivial, like someone forgetting to update the contents & index so all the page number references are wrong, one of those gun-foot-aim-fire embarrassing things.

IIRC, the first edition of Team Yankee had that issue.

and the "United Soviet Socialist Republic"

which is borderline a tripwire thing that someone forgot to take out

In no way shape or form have I ever forgotten to update a contents or index and have anyone notice

TBF that was a common term for the USSR in the west in the 70s/80s, which is when TY is set.

Ah well at least if that's the case it was spotted in time. Much better than the alternative of a day-one FAQ release.

In the meantime, if you are bored and got an Epic itch that cannot be sated, please check out this thread which has a bunch of info on free rulesets, the different Epic communities and where to get Epic-usable minis

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751316.page

And if you're already collecting at the scale, this is a kind of shared project log of people's ongoing work, down in the heavily shadowed nether-regions of the forum
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/750/791159.page#11575492

The book is still bound to be full of issues or get FAQ'd into uselessness within a few weeks anyway because it's GW.

The previews might be just on 'Heresy Thursday' as they slow down the teases from here on in, which a bit of a let down after all the build up 'til now. I was hoping we'd see a bit more detail on how the super heavies act and take damage in this version.

Billicus wrote:
TBF that was a common term for the USSR in the west in the 70s/80s, which is when TY is set.

though Battlefront did correct in in other books

 ThePaintingOwl wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wouldn't it have just been easier to give weapons an anti-material and anti-personnel value to represent variations in performance vs different targets, rather than giving exception based special rules to these weapons? I believe this is actually how one edition of epic functioned. Its mystifying to me that they didn't do that here.

Yep, and I have no idea why they didn't do it that way. They already had examples from both earlier editions of Epic and the 8th edition Apocalypse expansion so it's not like it's an idea GW is unaware of. The only thing I can think of is that the Light trait has some rules significance beyond having an AT value of N/A, such as a rule that only Light weapons can fire within melee range.

Well, we already have people complaining that the game is too granular and units have too many weapons profiles. I can kind of see it both ways. In first edition a marine squad got bolter shots but also melta shots, the melta was short ranged, but you still got two shots which would maybe mean you have to make the stands more expensive? In epic Id rather have lots of units, at least the basic ones, so keeping them cheap is good to my eyes. There are lots of little things that have been paired away from epic out of simplicity, which I find annoying.

So doing a re-print of the books, depending on what was wrong and how much work need to be done before it goes to the printer, we talk about 3-6 months

So end of 2023 if nothing else goes wrong

 kodos wrote:
So doing a re-print of the books, depending on what was wrong and how much work need to be done before it goes to the printer, we talk about 3-6 months

So end of 2023 if nothing else goes wrong

If it’s true, not necessarily. The issues could’ve been picked up ages ago, and there’s just a week or two delay in the printshop getting the goods to GW.

Yeah if the issues were first reported by content creators getting review copies then GW may have known up to a month ago and have a headstart.

There was a strange pause in Epic hype on WarCom in mid-July when articles totally stopped for a few days, that may have been them finding out and deciding what to do next.