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Nice sneak peak at how Point Defence weapons work.

 stonehorse wrote:
Nice sneak peak at how Point Defence weapons work.

No kidding. Being able to effectively shoot before even First Fire units is quite handy. Just need to find out what Overwatch does now…

As for the russ vanquisher vs regular - the vanquisher will have a hell of a time taking out infantry, since they get their unmodified saves against it. Ditto lascannon. Maybe that’s the balance?

A couple of questions from earlier were answered. First, the super-heavy tank detachments are now confirmed at 1-4 tanks each. Second, the note at the bottom confirms that you can add terminators to a regular detachment of space marines.

 Matrindur wrote:

leopard wrote:
one thing about those unit cards with the stats

nowhere does it say what the model actually has - e.g. the vanquisher and battle cannon are together and not seeing anything (yet) that says you have one or the other but not both

that implies the standard battle tank and the vanquisher have the same cost, but surely somewhere there will be a description of the two vehicles individually stating what each carries?

also given we have seen other weapon options for tanks the lack of costs related to alternative equipment is slightly worrysome

I could see a "Leman Russ Battle Tank Squadron" of three for x pts and a "Leman Russ Vanquisher Tank Squadron" for y pts (or the same value) but presumably they are different?

or is this a bit like a British WW2 Sherman unit, a firefly and a few others?

same with the baneblade, nothing to say what the thing actually as, just a list of what it could have and a fixed point value

nice to see though that larger units get a slight discount over MSU

Maybe they noticed that too and thats the reason its delayed

Given 40k points atm and sigmar to a degree, it might just be that they intend for sidegrades rather than anything being worth more than the other. In theory.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 tauist wrote:

lurch wrote:
Honestly they look like 3d models to me.

All HH illustrations of this style are traditionally photoshopped photographs of actual models. I am quite certain we are looking at new models here

Looks more like a render than an actual model that's been photoshopped. I know they use photos of models quite often in their artwork, but they also use renders (Aeronautica stuff comes to mind).

B&C folks seem to think this could be real enough, so its not just me:
https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379918-new-baneblade/

sidegrades and either/or options where all options have utility can work, but they do need careful thought otherwise one just becomes "better"

given this is GW I'd also expect a box does not give enough weapons for a full unit with the same loadout

Eumerin wrote:
A couple of questions from earlier were answered. First, the super-heavy tank detachments are now confirmed at 1-4 tanks each. Second, the note at the bottom confirms that you can add terminators to a regular detachment of space marines.

SHT detachments are 1-6 tanks each.


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 Mr_Rose wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
Nice sneak peak at how Point Defence weapons work.

No kidding. Being able to effectively shoot before even First Fire units is quite handy. Just need to find out what Overwatch does now…

As for the russ vanquisher vs regular - the vanquisher will have a hell of a time taking out infantry, since they get their unmodified saves against it. Ditto lascannon. Maybe that’s the balance?

It seems like that. But even if there are no points cost difference between upgrades, there is a nice kind of configuration and perhaps balance on the Leman Russ: go full AT (vanquisher+lascannon), go AT+AP (BattleCannon+LasCannon or Vanquisher+HBolter), or go to the opposite, mainly AP (battleCannon+Bolter).

Eumerin wrote:
A couple of questions from earlier were answered. First, the super-heavy tank detachments are now confirmed at 1-4 tanks each. Second, the note at the bottom confirms that you can add terminators to a regular detachment of space marines.

1 super heavy, up to 5 more.

That point defense rule will make the super heavies harder to kill than they were in 2nd ed - usually opponent would be on the lookout for ones on advance order, then you could charge them with some cheap/expendable units and mob them.

So it looks like now you have first fire, overwatch and a point defense rule for firing to protect from charging units - assuming first fire will work in the same way as 2nd and allow units to protect themselves from charging enemies, aside from where they were template weapons.

I really like that the Guard have a chain of command rule - that was again a great part of Epic. Guard players had to try and protect their command units and the opponent would be trying to take them out - although the punishment for losing them in the new version is less severe (you just get an advance order, in the old game you couldn't move and just fired in the advance fire phase)


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Edit - am I correct in assuming point defense has been taken from NetEpic? (Is it available in any of the official editions?)

The fact that they're continuing preview articles makes me hopeful...

I also like the synapse creature... Erm, Chain of Command rules If anything, these are better than the old Epic, as they allow for limited actions. There's nothing as disheartening as having your force completely hamstrung and having to watch it die. This gives you more of a fighting chance.

tneva82 wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
A couple of questions from earlier were answered. First, the super-heavy tank detachments are now confirmed at 1-4 tanks each. Second, the note at the bottom confirms that you can add terminators to a regular detachment of space marines.

1 super heavy, up to 5 more.

Whoops, you're right. The card allows you to add +1, +3, or +5 tanks, not 1, 2, or 3.

he fact that they're continuing preview articles makes me hopeful...

Hopefully it's not just because they're still scrambling to find replacement articles.

^^;;

Eumerin wrote:

Whoops, you're right. The card allows you to add +1, +3, or +5 tanks, not 1, 2, or 3.

Just to make it clear for everyone as I saw it misunderstood before:
The card says +1, +3, +5 but above is a text that you can purchase the same upgrade multiple times up to a total of six so you basically can have any number from one to six. But this is only the case for the Baneblade (and the Kratos), other units like the Leman Russ can only buy one of their upgrades so in case of the Leman Russ only 4, 6, 8 or 10 per detachment

Boosykes wrote:
Not sure how they will manage to rehype this a few months down the road..... It's possible they just killed legiones imperialis. I hope not as I was hoping lots of folks would get into it so I would have someone to play against.

I don't think it will matter much, tbh. Most people interested was interested and hyped already before any kind of announcement.


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 vadersson wrote:
Hi folks,

Just got back from GenCon. Warhammer had quite a booth. Sadly there was no LI on display and no demos. I did find one guy from GW that said there was a chance for LI demos at Nova. So that would be the end of the month/early September. No one talked about why the delay, just that there was.

I also found zero AT or AI stuff anywhere in the exhibition hall. Even the GW booth didn’t have anything. Kill Team seemed to be getting a lot of love and demo time however.

That is all I have. Sorry not to have more info.

Thank you for the feedback, hope you had fun

Being forced to sticking to Advance orders kind of messes you up though, because now your opponent will never have to guess which order you will be issued, and can use this knowledge to their advantage

That's why better bring in commanders

 tauist wrote:
Being forced to sticking to Advance orders kind of messes you up though, because now your opponent will never have to guess which order you will be issued, and can use this knowledge to their advantage

This is the whole point.

Solar Auxilia have all the numbers, but are inflexible.
Adeptus Astartes are few, but are very flexible.

Indeed.

However you can factor it in to your overall plan, to the degree it only really becomes a hefty impact if you were intent on another order, only to see the Command Stand blatted.

It can also make your opponent a bit more predictable, as you kind of know they’ll be gunning for your Command first. This can allow you to be somewhat more confident others units may be ignored, letting them Be Successfully Up To Something.

 tauist wrote:
Being forced to sticking to Advance orders kind of messes you up though, because now your opponent will never have to guess which order you will be issued, and can use this knowledge to their advantage

Good.

Epic has always done a better job than 40K in differentiating how the factions operate, not just how accurately they shoot and how hard they punch, and I am keen to see LI continue with that tradition. Guard/Auxilia are relatively inflexible and vulnerable to command chain disruption, while Marines have initiative and flexibility but less staying power in a knock-down-drag-out fight.

I find it interesting that apparently (US) WD 491 has no LI content, which would be a bit unusual if this was an "emergency" issue.

Much like rulebooks, you can't alter WD content on a dime... There was likely some time to consider options.

 catbarf wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Being forced to sticking to Advance orders kind of messes you up though, because now your opponent will never have to guess which order you will be issued, and can use this knowledge to their advantage

Good.

Epic has always done a better job than 40K in differentiating how the factions operate, not just how accurately they shoot and how hard they punch, and I am keen to see LI continue with that tradition. Guard/Auxilia are relatively inflexible and vulnerable to command chain disruption, while Marines have initiative and flexibility but less staying power in a knock-down-drag-out fight.

LI chain of command rule comes straight from second ed and was a reflection of the Imperial Guard rule that existed in 40K at the time. Never really understood why they got rid of it in 40K.

 schoon wrote:
I find it interesting that apparently (US) WD 491 has no LI content, which would be a bit unusual if this was an "emergency" issue.

Much like rulebooks, you can't alter WD content on a dime... There was likely some time to consider options.

White Dwarf often doesn't feature new games in the month of release, to cut down on leaks. It's certainly the case that White Dwarf couldn't have been reprinted since the delay to Legions Imperialis was announced, but it remains much more likely it simply never had any content focusing on it.

No One Important wrote:
GW is really dropping the ball on releases. If they keep this up, I'll have to actually paint my backlog.

I've been doing that since about my 5th game of the new edition where I realized I wasn't having any fun. Wife and I started Sigmar armies over the weekend and I'm finishing up my titans.

 schoon wrote:
I find it interesting that apparently (US) WD 491 has no LI content, which would be a bit unusual if this was an "emergency" issue.

Much like rulebooks, you can't alter WD content on a dime... There was likely some time to consider options.

It wouldn't be that unusual. The lead time on white dwarf production and distribution is measured in weeks rather than months. James Hewitt (designer of the latest incarnation of Adeptus Titanicus) discussed how GW management made the decision to pursue production of the game in plastic about an hour after the game announcement in White Dwarf had gone to print. They had to call the printers and have them pull the Titanicus articles (which were then shelved for ~2-3 years while the plastics went into tooling and production, and then eventually republished with any mention of his name completely scrubbed from the article, as he had left GW by that time) just as they were getting started on the actual press process. The issue was on shelves just a few weeks later.

Are the Titan Legions going to be playable factions in LI?

Hecaton wrote:
Are the Titan Legions going to be playable factions in LI?

Not right away. It's possible that they'll be added in the future. It's been explicitly stated that we should expect to see other factions added later on, and the legions might be one of them. But for the moment, the only playable factions are the Marines and the Solar Auxilia.

Eumerin wrote:

Hecaton wrote:
Are the Titan Legions going to be playable factions in LI?

Not right away. It's possible that they'll be added in the future. It's been explicitly stated that we should expect to see other factions added later on, and the legions might be one of them. But for the moment, the only playable factions are the Marines and the Solar Auxilia.

Just to add, they are playable as allies, just not as the main force

Well here's hoping like Legio Mortis can square up against the Imperial Fists or whatever as primary factions.

Hecaton wrote:
Well here's hoping like Legio Mortis can square up against the Imperial Fists or whatever as primary factions.

I'm sure we'll get there in the 2nd or 3rd expansion book

 Matrindur wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

Hecaton wrote:
Are the Titan Legions going to be playable factions in LI?

Not right away. It's possible that they'll be added in the future. It's been explicitly stated that we should expect to see other factions added later on, and the legions might be one of them. But for the moment, the only playable factions are the Marines and the Solar Auxilia.

Just to add, they are playable as allies, just not as the main force

*Starts wondering how big a game needs to be for me to field my entire titan collection*

Here's hoping 'Heresy Thursday' is still a thing and we some more info - like say how titans operate in the game. I hope they are a bit more than a large tank.

MarkNorfolk wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

Hecaton wrote:
Are the Titan Legions going to be playable factions in LI?

Not right away. It's possible that they'll be added in the future. It's been explicitly stated that we should expect to see other factions added later on, and the legions might be one of them. But for the moment, the only playable factions are the Marines and the Solar Auxilia.

Just to add, they are playable as allies, just not as the main force

*Starts wondering how big a game needs to be for me to field my entire titan collection*

Here's hoping 'Heresy Thursday' is still a thing and we some more info - like say how titans operate in the game. I hope they are a bit more than a large tank.

Heresy Thursdays have only been for new model reveals. Gameplay infos can be in an article on any day but I wouldn't expect them that often now that its delayed. One per week is probably the maximum we should expect.
Also Heresy Thursdays would have probably shown some stuff that is coming after the launch if it released normally but now that will likely be moved back too so will be interesting if they move up some HH reveals that would have originally happened later (basically trade their places with LI reveals) or if they will just leave some weeks without any Heresy Thursday