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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Please don’t use derogatory terms.

It isn't a derogatory term, but it was used incorrectly. GW prefers to target people with disposable income.

I wish GW released more stuff worth buying, how can I ever become a "whale" when they keep on this trickle of low interest releases..

Ever since Leviathan, the preorder weeks so far have been underwhelming.. That storage facility change must really be biting their ashes

chaos0xomega wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

Hecaton wrote:
Are the Titan Legions going to be playable factions in LI?

Not right away. It's possible that they'll be added in the future. It's been explicitly stated that we should expect to see other factions added later on, and the legions might be one of them. But for the moment, the only playable factions are the Marines and the Solar Auxilia.

I couldn't find it but I have a distinct memory of a recent warcom article or something basically saying fielding a Titan Legion won't be an option in the game because that's what Titanicus exists for and that Titans will basically only ever be allies. If nothing g else they are heavily pushing the idea that this is a "combined arms" game, so going pure titan wouldn't really be keeping in that spirit.

Also makes sense given how the rules seem to work, the majority of a non titan army's weapons basically wouldnt be able to do anything to an army of titans. Seems the only way a base of space marines could harm a titan is to swarm them in melee.

That's weird, I have a memory of them implying the opposite for knights and titans.

Compulsive buying disorder or oniomania

GW stores are aiming on new players, hence why only sales of starter boxes are counted to check if a store as successful or not
The online store and release cycle is aiming on people who are unable to hold back, were FOMO is a big part of it

For a new customer it does not matter if there is a shiny new kit every week that need to be had because it is the only chance to get it no matter the price, they are still painting the core box and waiting for their Codex, and a lot of them will still be painting their first 2k points when 11th is released and don't care but any other army.

Yet the whole hype/fomo pre-order marketing is aiming at compulsive buying which is a problem for people with a disorder who cannot control themselves
"whale" is the term used for those but from the corporate site of view as those are the ones who keep that business going without ever playing

if people who point out that GW sales marketing is aiming at people with a disorder are "hates" that just want to talk GW bad for what they are doing, well this kind of sales tactic is bad and need to be called out
that corporate chills are playing that down or defend such tactics (for whatever reason) is a problem too

 gorgon wrote:

Sarouan wrote:
"Whales" is one coming from video games and it is intentionnaly negative in the community of players - especially mobile ones, when some players can spend thousands of dollars on "virtual goods". That's why the comparison doesn't stand, because with GW, not only because it's nowhere near the ridiculous amount sunk in mobile games in the same amount of time but also because with GW you at least have a physical product than you can indeed sell later at some known value. In mobile games, you gain nothing at all but the illusion of value.

LOL. Everything isn't a gaming term. And it has nothing to do with 'addiction' etc.

The term "whale"/"white whale"/"whale customer" has been around for years in business. They're the big customers/clients/etc who spend far more than the average one. So the business spends a lot of effort chasing and trying to land them. As in a whale hunt. It's like the 80/20 rule but more exclusive than that. Most industries have them.

Basically it's a sales and marketing term to define a real type of customer and something that no one should be getting bent out of shape about.

This is my understanding of it too, it's certainly not a GW-only term and I think every sellable item that has a collectible element has customers that buy everything that they sell. There used to be a chap in the DCM who bought 2 X every new GW release, and posted this information each time without further comment. Similarly, I'm in a Tamiya FB group and there are people who have storage rooms in their house devoted to holding the hundreds of kits they have bought, which unless they have an army of slaves in their basement, they will not have enough years in their life to build.

Not something I would do, it's not exactly a desirable character trait and I can think of many more worthwhile avenues for disposable income, but each to their own.

 Pacific wrote:
There used to be a chap in the DCM who bought 2 X every new GW release, and posted this information each time without further comment. Similarly, I'm in a Tamiya FB group and there are people who have storage rooms in their house devoted to holding the hundreds of kits they have bought, which unless they have an army of slaves in their basement, they will not have enough years in their life to build.

I cannot imagine that customers buying to that extent are anywhere near common enough to have any impact on GW's marketing plans. Sure those people may spend a lot annually, but in practice it's still a tiny percentage of each product release that will often be expected to comfortably sell out anyway. It's not the same situation as something like mobile games / gambling, where "whales" provide a majority of the total revenue.

By maintaining relatively high prices for most of their products GW are ensuring there's always demand for limited discount items like launch boxes. They don't need to rely on statistical aberrations like "guy who buys every GW product ever". There will typically be more than enough regular customers (or scalpers) interested in that model range to shift them all upon release.

and yet GW has adjusted their release cycle and items to go with it to fit that buying behavior

we don't know how big the impact of those people is, but we can see that GW is aiming for them
maybe it is just a bonus on top of regular sales, but also the higher prices compensate for lower amount of sales so a minority spending a lot more money is better for the yearly numbers than a majority buying a single kit once in a while

PS: estimates are that 30-40% of people are having a compulsive buying disorder
if the 10% of the people are compulsive buyers who buy everything and spend 10 times more than the regular 90%, their sales are already exceeding the regular ones
like from 100 people, 90 of them spend a 100$ on release items, 10 spend a 1000$ those 10 spent more than the 90 together

make it 30% of GW customers and they are out-spending the 70% by a lot

My attic is full of half-finished armies and things. For me it's entirely dysfunctional and stems from ADHD. It's only gotten worse as FOMO marketing has become more prevalent. In my gaming group I'd say a minimum 10% have the same general overbuying behaviour.

Sooo... we ban scale discussion in a news thread about a game whose defining feature is its scale, but I just waded through a page of discussion about whales that had absolutely nothing to do with LI? Hahaha.

To try and bring the thread back on topic... this facebook page has posted pictures of LI models painted on behalf of MWG:



Interestingly the full photo includes:

The contents of a core box

An extra set each of marine & solar infantry/walkers

4 Kratos

2 Baneblades

Content creators typically get standard retail products, so this implies that the basic infantry will be sold separately as a box of two sprues. It also may mean that the Baneblade & Kratos will be part of the first wave, while omission of rhinos could indicate they come later.

 xttz wrote:
To try and bring the thread back on topic... this facebook page has posted pictures of LI models painted on behalf of MWG:


Interestingly the full photo includes:

The contents of a core box

An extra set each of marine & solar infantry/walkers

4 Kratos

2 Baneblades

Content creators typically get standard retail products, so this implies that the basic infantry will be sold separately as a box of two sprues. It also may mean that the Baneblade & Kratos will be part of the first wave, while omission of rhinos could indicate they come later.

Huh didn't know Kratos are that much smaller than Baneblades.
I can't find their original comment anymore but when they said 4 per box did they say that for both or only the kratos? as with that size difference I wouldn't be surprised if its only two baneblades per box

Also in the comments in the facebook post the OP said the bases are 2mm flat disc when asked about the bottom of the new bases so seems like they won't b hollow and you'd have to drill holes for magnets

 Matrindur wrote:

Huh didn't know Kratos are that much smaller than Baneblades.
I can't find their original comment anymore but when they said 4 per box did they say that for both or only the kratos? as with that size difference I wouldn't be surprised if its only two baneblades per box

Both. Although that could be misinformation the social media rep got wrong.

Considering the size difference between the Kratos and Baneblade in current Heresy I was surprised they were pushing them as somewhat equivalent but I guess they're banking on there being a lot more marine collectors.

Self-adhesive magnetic discs are the way forward for magnetizing bases anyway, individual magnets are fiddly

Billicus wrote:
Self-adhesive magnetic discs are the way forward for magnetizing bases anyway, individual magnets are fiddly

I'm preferring steel sheets on the bottom of my models then magnets in the storage containers. Gives the models a nice heft, and means they aren't attracted to/repulsed from other models which is a problem I've had with some models.

My 3D printed 8mm models, I've left a 1.5-ish mm recess in the base so I can glue in steel sheet. It's just a bit of a pain in the arse to cut at home.

Somebody must sell steel discs for some reason? Blank cat or dog name tags? Dunno how the economics stack up, but possibly a big time and effort saver?

Washers. Cheap and plentiful.

 Flinty wrote:
Washers. Cheap and plentiful.

Fender washers are the ones you want. They are larger diameter and not as thick.

 xttz wrote:
To try and bring the thread back on topic... this facebook page has posted pictures of LI models painted on behalf of MWG:



Interestingly the full photo includes:

The contents of a core box

An extra set each of marine & solar infantry/walkers

4 Kratos

2 Baneblades

Content creators typically get standard retail products, so this implies that the basic infantry will be sold separately as a box of two sprues. It also may mean that the Baneblade & Kratos will be part of the first wave, while omission of rhinos could indicate they come later.

That looks awesome, how long do you figure it took to paint it all?

Depending on the quality you aim for, not very long. Especially considering they didn't go for better looking contrast between the troops and their bases, that's a couple of days' work.

8-12 hours perhaps? Epic is pretty quick as long as you're at that distance and aren't doing Lamenters.
Maybe less as they airbrushed the Titans and big stuff.

Very excited for the time scale given all that productivity, looks really good especially for a couple days.

New article about Knights:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/14/legions-imperialis-give-battle-with-a-support-lance-of-knights/

Interesting that they don't mention the Asterius anywhere

 Matrindur wrote:
New article about Knights:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/14/legions-imperialis-give-battle-with-a-support-lance-of-knights/

Interesting that they don't mention the Asterius anywhere

Because it is a loadout of the Acastus, like the Poryphoron.

With the mentions of Armigers, will we see them in plastic as well? LI is a scale where they serve a purpose, and it would be nice to have them available in a more affordable kit.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
New article about Knights:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/14/legions-imperialis-give-battle-with-a-support-lance-of-knights/

Interesting that they don't mention the Asterius anywhere

Because it is a loadout of the Acastus, like the Poryphoron.

With the mentions of Armigers, will we see them in plastic as well? LI is a scale where they serve a purpose, and it would be nice to have them available in a more affordable kit.

Is it just a loadout change? I thought it was a mechanicum version like the Atrapos/Styrix/Magaera

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

With the mentions of Armigers, will we see them in plastic as well? LI is a scale where they serve a purpose, and it would be nice to have them available in a more affordable kit.

Even without mentioning the price, the resin version is an absolute (k)nightmare to put together.

I shall name my next Knight "Treguard".

The following has me confused...

This (Lance)Formation is made up of a single Knight Banner, which consists of one pattern type – Questoris, Cerastus, or Acastus – with the option to customise them. You can add extra Knights of the same chassis, upgrade a Cerastus into an Atrapos, or have a swarm of Armigers to tag along.

...because in Titanicus a Lance consists of three banners of at least 2-3 Knights each.

SamusDrake wrote:
I shall name my next Knight "Treguard".

The following has me confused...

This (Lance)Formation is made up of a single Knight Banner, which consists of one pattern type – Questoris, Cerastus, or Acastus – with the option to customise them. You can add extra Knights of the same chassis, upgrade a Cerastus into an Atrapos, or have a swarm of Armigers to tag along.

...because in Titanicus a Lance consists of three banners of at least 2-3 Knights each.

Well it could be that the unit size of the lance is very big/flexible. If when designing they knew that most cases it's max 30% of overall list points, it sorta means they could put really big unit caps like 9 or something because unless the point levels are really high, the limit is almost moot, you'll run out of points out of the 30% allotment like long before unit maxes out in size.

What is a bit confusing is upgrading knights to be entirely different knights, I guess they did this to reduce unit count. It's also going to be interesting to see how they tackle the questoris, given all the possible loadouts people could have already kitted out. Also unsure of how the armigers will work, like if its a separate unit or they're part of the same unit.

technically it can be that a single unit forms a larger formation by just adding a higher up command

like a company, commanded by a captain consists of 2+ platoons commanded by a Lieutenant, but a single platoon commanded by a captain might still be considered a company

yet for a dedicated formation calling it a lance formation with a single banner, instead of a special banner formation is not the best way to do it

Oh, so like the "Chainbreaker Lance"(sold at Christmas) the single Knight would be commandering the four Armigers in the set.

And in AT the High Scion would commander the Scions in the other two banners, which just happen to have their own accompanying knights.

I still think its weird that the Dominus class knights are entirely absent from both Adeptus Titanicus and now Legions Imperialis.

Also, on FB the official forgeworld account confirmed that the Acastus class rules in the book includes both the Poryphrion and Asterius.