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Really wish that article had unit cards or explained, anything. They'll be in boxes of 8 with swap-able barrels from the sounds of it. Unit price will make this sink or swim, if it's gonna be like 80$ for 8 I think the writing is on the wall.

That's interesting that they have gone with a closed cab, which I think is a departure from the previous versions. I used to quite like adding little artillery crew to the backs of the vehicles.

It also looks to be the same tank chassis as a Leman Russ? (Or very similar?) Again a difference to the old minis, which had a much longer chassis body (do that in RL artillery so they don't get flipped over by the weapon discharge, see )

Yup.

40K versions use the Basilisk Chassis*. 30k it’s the Leman Russ chassis.

*The Chimera being introduced in Titan Legions and described as an adaptation of the Basilisk chassis. So there.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
40K versions use the Basilisk Chassis*. 30k it’s the Leman Russ chassis.

30k Solar Auxilia Basilisk/Medusa uses the Russ chassis - Marines have their own version.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
*The Chimera being introduced in Titan Legions and described as an adaptation of the Basilisk chassis.

I wonder if we'll see the Chimera (Chimerro / Chimerax / Chimedon) in LI.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
40K versions use the Basilisk Chassis*. 30k it’s the Leman Russ chassis.

Never having known this, I prefer the look of the Chimera chassis. Or maybe it’s just familiarity bias. Anyway, good set to help boost the starter forces.

Have static artillery ever been part of Epic?

 Fugazi wrote:
Have static artillery ever been part of Epic?

Excluding Drop Pods, I don't think there's any immobile artillery (unless FW did Epic versions of some of theirs...).

Squat Grand Batteries were Thudd Guns and Mole Mortars, plus they had the Goliath Cannon - they weren't technically static but they were VERY slow. Functionally immobile if not technically so.

Squats also latterly got AA guns which I think may have been entirely static.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Squats also latterly got AA guns which I think may have been entirely static.

Was that the Thunderfire Cannon?

Rapiers / Tarantulas / Pulsa Rokkits etc. all exist and could move IIRC (but not much).

It might’ve been?

 Albertorius wrote:
I prefer Epic 40k but Armageddon is a mighty fine game (the worst part for me is army building, which to me feels very restrictive for no good reasons).

2nd edition, to me, is a distant third, and I never played 1st edition.

It was restrictive to make army selection for the GT scenario more balanced. The initial idea was lists would come out regularly for the same armies but in different theatres, perhaps linked to different scenarios. The problem with say an all arms marine army is that it would be excellent for some scenarios and many units useless for others.

The book had a whole section on no GT games, but they weren't often done.

My experience of them was they were tricky to do, because the activation system did have problems for armies getting out activated which was a further not that well foreseen balance and army selection problem. All resolvable, but now you need a hell of a lot of playtesting to balance less picked choices and even the UK GT scene couldn't do it, preferring tweaks and simplification instead.


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leopard wrote:
really loved the way first edition in Codex Titanicus gave you the build flexibility with titans, a "scout warlord" being perfectly viable for example, ditto fire support titans and so on

I did love that system (pre codex titanicus), still play a cardboard 2d version designed for train tables

 Fugazi wrote:

Have static artillery ever been part of Epic?

Götterdämmerung Howitzer and Blitzen AA gun from the IG Siege regiment in Epic Swordwind were immobile (though could be transported/dragged by the Bruennhilde Land Crawler).

There are proxy minis of Basilisk and Medusa on gun emplacements and in NetEpic I believe, but I don't think I've ever seen anything in the official versions of the game.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yup.

40K versions use the Basilisk Chassis*. 30k it’s the Leman Russ chassis.

*The Chimera being introduced in Titan Legions and described as an adaptation of the Basilisk chassis. So there.

Ah ok then that explains it, thanks!

 Pacific wrote:
That's interesting that they have gone with a closed cab, which I think is a departure from the previous versions. I used to quite like adding little artillery crew to the backs of the vehicles.

It also looks to be the same tank chassis as a Leman Russ? (Or very similar?) Again a difference to the old minis, which had a much longer chassis body (do that in RL artillery so they don't get flipped over by the weapon discharge, see )

No wonder they look like russ when article flat out says russ chassis

Not much to say about today's offering but the usual "they're very nice".

I think these models look kind of lame. The gun just sort of disappears into the hull. Uninspired.

 Snord wrote:
I think these models look kind of lame. The gun just sort of disappears into the hull. Uninspired.

They are the existing Solar Auxilia designs. Can’t really expect GW to go for something new here

 Malika2 wrote:

 Snord wrote:
I think these models look kind of lame. The gun just sort of disappears into the hull. Uninspired.

They are the existing Solar Auxilia designs. Can’t really expect GW to go for something new here

I think the paint scheme isn't helping things - silver on gray isn't the most visually striking.

guess they need a scheme for SA thats hard to mistake for a marine legion

leopard wrote:
guess they need a scheme for SA thats hard to mistake for a marine legion

Try camo, then

 Matrindur wrote:
Here they are
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/24/heresy-thursday-shatter-the-earth-with-powerful-artillery-in-legions-imperialis/

This sounds like you'd be able to build all 8 with the same weapon?

Each box provides eight vehicles that can be assembled as the support platform of your choice, so you can fill your need for fire support at whatever range suits you best.

I love those Medusas. I hope they are not very expensive because I want LOTS of them!!!

leopard wrote:
guess they need a scheme for SA thats hard to mistake for a marine legion

Brown?

 Malika2 wrote:

 Snord wrote:
I think these models look kind of lame. The gun just sort of disappears into the hull. Uninspired.

They are the existing Solar Auxilia designs. Can’t really expect GW to go for something new here

This is true, they're committed now. Still, it's a valid criticism that the SA artillery models are underwhelming.

 Albertorius wrote:

leopard wrote:
guess they need a scheme for SA thats hard to mistake for a marine legion

Try camo, then

Polka dots.

 Malika2 wrote:

 Snord wrote:
I think these models look kind of lame. The gun just sort of disappears into the hull. Uninspired.

They are the existing Solar Auxilia designs. Can’t really expect GW to go for something new here

There is nothing to stop them refining or even overhauling the design at this point.

This is kind of where the previous incarnations of Epic and I parted company. If a vehicle design is underwhelming, having lots of them doesn't really improve things. I'm still undecided on LI - some of the vehicle models (like the BaneBlade) look great, but even with improved detail the stands of infantry look kind of meh. The bases tend to overwhelm the figures.

GW can't win on this. If they change the design it'll be "why do they look different just because the models are smaller" and if they keep them the same it's "they could have used the opportunity to change the design"

There's a reason none of the Krieg tank designs survived Epic Armageddon. People don't want GW to innovate in epic games, they want the models they have (or want to have but can't afford) in 28mm, but tiny

There are pics floating around somewhere of a more recognisable IG paint job on the Solar Auxilia tanks. And they do look the part.

I do think that Auxilia tanks have the problem of having paint scheme that is kinda boring.

 Snord wrote:
I think these models look kind of lame. The gun just sort of disappears into the hull. Uninspired.

Hard disagree. The 28mm version is an excellent design (other than the standard problem of guard tanks having no ground clearance or suspension) and the not-Epic version is a good match. And TBH the classic guard Basilisk/Medusa design wouldn't be a great option, either you have tiny and awkward to paint crew on the loading platform or the model looks empty and unfinished. The enclosed SA version dodges that issue nicely.

Well seems like this was wrong

We’ll have more coverage of Legions Imperialis next week, when the Titans walk and air support is cleared for take-off.

Aircraft article should be the monday article next week then