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 Mr_Rose wrote:
I give about a zero percent chance of them not doing land raiders. Hell, tiny Mk2b land raiders was one of the big selling points of epic 40K back in the day; got their own white dwarf article and everything.

There is a 0% chance they aren't doing Land Raiders but there is a pretty good chance there won't be any at launch or in the first few waves depending on how fast they will be releasing everything they showed until now.
Its likely the pastebin stats leaks where from the core book in the launch box so everything they showed off that wasn't in that was probably meant to be in a second or later wave.
Those kits would be the Drop Pods, the fast attack box from yesterday and the Solar Auxilia artillery box. Thats just three kits so likely all part of the second wave after the launchbox and the inital wave. That wave will probably have a few more kits so possibly also a Land Raider box. The question is just if they will still keep that release schedule up and wait a while after the launch or if they will release everything at once due to the delays

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I give about a zero percent chance of them not doing land raiders. Hell, tiny Mk2b land raiders was one of the big selling points of epic 40K back in the day; got their own white dwarf article and everything.

I honestly thought they were already previewed ^^

Yep when they're throwing Rapiers and Drop Pods and Proteus Speeders at us there's no way there aren't Land Raiders. I'd also assume most or all of the Spartan chassis "superheavies"

I wonder why the Javelins have underslung weapons rather than one of the marines being a gunner... limitation of the scale, or maybe a minor re-design for inevitable 30K sized plastic?

Xirix wrote:
I wonder why the Javelins have underslung weapons rather than one of the marines being a gunner... limitation of the scale, or maybe a minor re-design for inevitable 30K sized plastic?

My guess it to make the bottom gun compatible with the Proteus and/or reduce the sprue space that would be necessary for a complex top gunner

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 lord_blackfang wrote:

Xirix wrote:
I wonder why the Javelins have underslung weapons rather than one of the marines being a gunner... limitation of the scale, or maybe a minor re-design for inevitable 30K sized plastic?

My guess it to make the bottom gun compatible with the Proteus and/or reduce the sprue space that would be necessary for a complex top gunner

Or maybe to make it easier to spot from a distance?

There are a few posts swirling around the FB Epic/LI community about new mention of delays, but I can't get a response on whether this is just referring to the original delay or further ones - can anyone verify?

VAYASEN wrote:
Any advice on what terrain to buy/print regards scale yet to get a head start?

Im clueless re 3d printing so if thats the way forward, can anyone explain/show where to find it for the right scale etc?

Does any current game have suitable scale terrain etc?

It's a bit of a read, but please have a look through this thread!
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751316.page

There are also a bunch of threads down in that section on ongoing projects, hopes/fears for the new system and things of that nature, which will hopefully keep you going and probably a better place to ask questions.

 Pacific wrote:
There are a few posts swirling around the FB Epic/LI community about new mention of delays, but I can't get a response on whether this is just referring to the original delay or further ones - can anyone verify?

the only thing I have seen was people expecting the pre-order starting the previous weekend and now talk about delays as it did not happen

Wondering what this Thursday’s reveal is gonna be.

Only with Only Murders In The Building and Ahsoka being done and dusted for this season? I’ve nowt else nerd wise to look forward to between now and then.

Xirix wrote:
I wonder why the Javelins have underslung weapons rather than one of the marines being a gunner... limitation of the scale, or maybe a minor re-design for inevitable 30K sized plastic?

if its a separate piece then its likely down to being able to just make one set of weapons for land speeders ubiquitous to both chassis.

Could also be co-pilot mounted just looked weird scale wise?

As wonderful as this Legions thing is, its rather tragic they haven't announced anything new for Titanicus in the meantime aside from plastic direwolves and bundle boxes.

Surely a new book wouldn't have hurt?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Only with Only Murders In The Building and Ahsoka being done and dusted for this season? I’ve nowt else nerd wise to look forward to between now and then.

Good taste, my man!

From the new WarCom WD article:

"A few of their units - jetbike squadrons and drop pods - can be found in the first supplement for the game: The Great Slaughter"

Guessing we'll find out more on that book in this Thursday's HH article.

So the main rulebook is incomplete and doesn't cover all units they have shown?

this is a bit of a downside, would be fine with something similar to HH - a rulebook and then pick the add on for the faction you want

this seems like they are going back to "how many books can you carry?"

The battle report they made for Titanicus was brilliant so hopefully this ought to be good.

Bit of an off-topic niggle, but considering they mention the month of Halloween, there's nothing for Cursed City - the most Halloween-themed product in GW's range. Not even Blood Bowl, with it's scary'n'spooky teams...

leopard wrote:
So the main rulebook is incomplete and doesn't cover all units they have shown?

this is a bit of a downside, would be fine with something similar to HH - a rulebook and then pick the add on for the faction you want

this seems like they are going back to "how many books can you carry?"

Yeah, if they insist on selling you multiple books, they should still make sure that an army's rules can all be found in the same book. And format them well for that matter.

Chopped up rules are one of the most irritating things about modern GW games.

 Geifer wrote:

leopard wrote:
So the main rulebook is incomplete and doesn't cover all units they have shown?

this is a bit of a downside, would be fine with something similar to HH - a rulebook and then pick the add on for the faction you want

this seems like they are going back to "how many books can you carry?"

Yeah, if they insist on selling you multiple books, they should still make sure that an army's rules can all be found in the same book. And format them well for that matter.

Chopped up rules are one of the most irritating things about modern GW games.

^^^^ this, let me bring a rulebook, ideally without 80% of its weight being fluff thats nice but not needed for the game, and then one other book for the army, and maybe some scenario/campaign book

if I need to start lugging heavy books about for rules for one or two units I hope GW don't get irate when such starts to be obtained by alternative means. I flat out don't play enough games to want to drop ££££ on entire books for one or two pages

On the positive side, its good to have a core book that contains enough units to get up and running, and to also include counters. Having to purchase two books when breaking in with a new game is soul destroying.

I really hope they will consider epub. I loved 7th(?) Ed Warhammer and Kill Team 2018 since I could get the rules on line. One tablet is a lot lighter.

GW should really put rules free online. I assume they make more money selling mins and fiction than just rules. :(. The rules are the gateway drug to minis.

 xttz wrote:
From the new WarCom WD article:

"A few of their units - jetbike squadrons and drop pods - can be found in the first supplement for the game: The Great Slaughter"

Ah, so DLC already... not even all the main units in the book. Well then.

leopard wrote:
So the main rulebook is incomplete and doesn't cover all units they have shown?

this is a bit of a downside, would be fine with something similar to HH - a rulebook and then pick the add on for the faction you want

this seems like they are going back to "how many books can you carry?"

Its because those units wouldn't have been released at the original launch but in a later wave. And GW won't put units in the book they haven't announced yet.

On the other hand that line about the next book seems to have been deleted from the article because I can't find it anymore so seems likely its going to be the Thursday article and they unintentionally leaked it already

SamusDrake wrote:
On the positive side, its good to have a core book that contains enough units to get up and running, and to also include counters. Having to purchase two books when breaking in with a new game is soul destroying.

The last edition I bought of Epic managed to have the full rules and the full lists for all the armies it included (which was more than two, let me tell ya).


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 Matrindur wrote:
Its because those units wouldn't have been released at the original launch but in a later wave. And GW won't put units in the book they haven't announced yet

That doesn't cut it anymore, for me. I've seen where that leads already with GW games. No more, thanks.

So, sounds likely that this will be an eternal rules treadmill specialist game like Necromunda then, possibly even more obnoxious as presumably every player will need every book. I think we're up to like 3 separate reasons that each individually would make me hard pass on the game.

I'm still interested in the minis (or at least, in some minis), depending on the prices.

But the game at this point... yeah, this is kind of the very last nail on that coffin.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Its because those units wouldn't have been released at the original launch but in a later wave. And GW won't put units in the book they haven't announced yet

That doesn't cut it anymore, for me. I've seen where that leads already with GW games. No more, thanks.

Not saying its good, just that that is how GW does things so its exactly what I expected.
I could see them release those rules for free online as they have been doing that more in recent times. Just thinking about the recent Ironjawz supplement which was in a campaign book but also completely released for free online even including the lore paragraphs. And since everything will likely release close together due to the delay I could see that also happening here

 Matrindur wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Its because those units wouldn't have been released at the original launch but in a later wave. And GW won't put units in the book they haven't announced yet

That doesn't cut it anymore, for me. I've seen where that leads already with GW games. No more, thanks.

Not saying its good, just that that is how GW does things so its exactly what I expected.
I could see them release those rules for free online as they have been doing that more in recent times. Just thinking about the recent Ironjawz supplement which was in a campaign book but also completely released for free online even including the lore paragraphs. And since everything will likely release close together due to the delay I could see that also happening here

And that's why I said that's quite enough for me. I just don't want to follow that kind of release churn.

I assume if they don't make the model rules separately free online that they'll do a compendium for it.

To be fair I'm just super excited for the models and eventually legion specific units

 Matrindur wrote:

On the other hand that line about the next book seems to have been deleted from the article because I can't find it anymore so seems likely its going to be the Thursday article and they unintentionally leaked it already

The blurb about the Great Slaughter is actually in the text box in he article in the magazine, not the preview article. So no change at least.

I do wish GW would not try and be EA. I prefer all the rules to not be spread over 50 zillion books. But unfortunately that is kind of the GW way. Maybe the box sets will come with rule cards or something.