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 Albertorius wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
I am curious how much infantry comes in that $50 box though. If it's the same as the launch box, that's pretty pricey for not much.

Going by the pics, it's exactly the same: a single sprue.

I think it's 2 sprues, as the sprue picture looks to have 2 contemptors only, but they say you get 4 in the box.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
I am curious how much infantry comes in that $50 box though. If it's the same as the launch box, that's pretty pricey for not much.

Going by the pics, it's exactly the same: a single sprue.

I think it's 2 sprues, as the sprue picture looks to have 2 contemptors only, but they say you get 4 in the box.

Yeah it's two copies of the infantry sprue I posted at the top of the last page. Same as the launch box.

 Matrindur wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Adding up the cost and multiplying by 1.5 to get roughly the Australian pricing... I think this game is going to be too expensive for me.

Though I haven't tried to add up the points, maybe I'm just overestimating how much would be required to make an army.

Someone added up points over on B&C so this may help you estimate:

A thunder hawk is 150 points for £30
The Kratos squadron is 260 points for £30
The rhinos are 50 points for £30

Rhinos are 10pts each, so 100pts for £30. Still not great, but that'll put drop pods to shame

Kratos may cost more points depending how you deploy them. 2x2 is more than 1x4

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
I am curious how much infantry comes in that $50 box though. If it's the same as the launch box, that's pretty pricey for not much.

Going by the pics, it's exactly the same: a single sprue.

I think it's 2 sprues, as the sprue picture looks to have 2 contemptors only, but they say you get 4 in the box.

Ah, yes, right.

Prices:

Stormonu wrote:Well, I’ve still got minis back to the original game that have barely seen use, and a mass of 3D prints, so the price point for this is out of my tolerance level.

Likewise, even $60 for the rulebook alone is a bit of a cringe, knowing the quality of GW rules.

I think in the end the right thing for me to do is just go back to what I already have and see if I can find someone to play with using just that and whatever rules I can scrape up.

The market will be flooded with rulesbooks though, Someone at GW clearly thought they'd at least cash in on people that want the rules and 3d print. But they seem to forget that the starter set is going to get brought up in bulk. €10 rulebooks on local hobby groups on day of release for sure.

Bit disappointing the city tiles are direct only. I suspect like the necromunda tiles they will be out of stock for months a time (probably shipping from china), but they are one of a handful of items here that they could have enticed other 6mm gamers to actually buy and use. I'd been thinking about getting 6 sets at launch (I have a LOT of old terrain I like to finally get built) but suspect they will limit them per order. Looks like the local warhammer store had their list wrong when they listed the ruins & tiles as one set. (Thankfully, those ruins are ok, but ending up with one per tile set would have been too much additional cost)

The prices are ok I guess, about what I was expecting. Will be a bit better with FLGS discounts. But I this will be another case of avoid buying individual miniature sets and buy a starter set every time I want to expand the infantry. I think we will be seeing warhounds being passed about for pennies!

I was just thinking of buying tiles to later put insane prices on ebay. They should sell well

Undecided on this, just thinking about what I'd be likely to pick up; probably starter, Rhinos, Kratos, Baneblades and two sets of the ruins from a 3rd party store, so that's £300rrp or probably £240 with 3rd party discount. Then would also be looking at 4 sets of tiles and the card sets (played a lot of 2nd edition Space Marine, so got to have cards!) from GW, which is probably going to be at least another £200 as I'm guessing the tiles are going to come in at at least £50 a set based on the Necromunda ones, so it is looking pretty pricey.

I suspect the tiles and cards are going to be a nightmare to get hold of, both on release day and afterwards (if they're even available after) especially as anyone buying the tiles is probably going to be looking at buying at least 4 sets.

Tavis75 wrote:
Undecided on this, just thinking about what I'd be likely to pick up; probably starter, Rhinos, Kratos, Baneblades and two sets of the ruins from a 3rd party store, so that's £300rrp or probably £240 with 3rd party discount. Then would also be looking at 4 sets of tiles and the card sets (played a lot of 2nd edition Space Marine, so got to have cards!) from GW, which is probably going to be at least another £200 as I'm guessing the tiles are going to come in at at least £50 a set based on the Necromunda ones, so it is looking pretty pricey.

I suspect the tiles and cards are going to be a nightmare to get hold of, both on release day and afterwards (if they're even available after) especially as anyone buying the tiles is probably going to be looking at buying at least 4 sets.

Based on the US price list the tiles are the same price as the Warlord titan so £70/90€ so pretty pricey.
I plan to start with smaller 2x3 games so I think I will get one set for those and just use a gamemat for bigger 5x4 games.
Just not worth having to buy four sets for those but a single set for smaller games is something my wallet can live with

Unit boxes at £30 feels about nice to me. Should be able to FGLS them for £25 or so.

Honestly honestly? That feels about as close to Old Epic pricing as I could realistically have hoped.

According to https://www.in2013dollars.com/uk/inflation/1993?amount=8?

£8 in 1993 money is £20.00 or so in 2023 money, to give some idea of direct comparisons.

Tavis75 wrote:

I suspect the tiles and cards are going to be a nightmare to get hold of, both on release day and afterwards (if they're even available after) especially as anyone buying the tiles is probably going to be looking at buying at least 4 sets.

Given that the preview video they showed off a while ago included some tiles that aren't part of this set (such as an L-shape), it's reasonable to assume there may be at least one more set of tiles released in future.

Keep in mind that if you go all-in for a full board now you might wish you hadn't.

 Matrindur wrote:

Based on the US price list the tiles are the same price as the Warlord titan so £70/90€ so pretty pricey.
I plan to start with smaller 2x3 games so I think I will get one set for those and just use a gamemat for bigger 5x4 games.
Just not worth having to buy four sets for those but a single set for smaller games is something my wallet can live with

Only part of board being city with green/whatever areas elsewhere feels better for big battles anyway.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Unit boxes at £30 feels about nice to me. Should be able to FGLS them for £25 or so.

Honestly honestly? That feels about as close to Old Epic pricing as I could realistically have hoped.

According to https://www.in2013dollars.com/uk/inflation/1993?amount=8?

£8 in 1993 money is £20.00 or so in 2023 money, to give some idea of direct comparisons.

heck of a lot less in each box though

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Unit boxes at £30 feels about nice to me. Should be able to FGLS them for £25 or so.

Honestly honestly? That feels about as close to Old Epic pricing as I could realistically have hoped.

According to https://www.in2013dollars.com/uk/inflation/1993?amount=8?

£8 in 1993 money is £20.00 or so in 2023 money, to give some idea of direct comparisons.

You got a lot more actually useable stuff in the plastic boxes for those £8, though.

leopard wrote:

heck of a lot less in each box though

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Units like Kratos & Baneblades work out at a very similar cost to their old single-model blister pack counterparts from the mid-90's, but are also much larger and more highly detailed models with several build options.

The same will apply to units like the leman russ. Formerly £5 for a blister pack of three (adjusted to £12 for inflation), the new box is likely to be £30 for eight plastic tanks with different weapon options.

Modern kits will definitely pale in comparison to the mass-produced Space Marine infantry, with hundreds of identical tactical marines in a box box. Though personally I also prefer to get 100 better quality & highly varied squads over 400 identical guys for some kind of marine horde.

However once you compare Epic 40k, the pricing was actually worse than right now in some cases. The new LI marine infantry box is 20 marine infantry bases + 4 dreads for £30 (cheaper from the core box and 3rd parties). Adjusting for inflation this Epic 40k box would be around £12 today, and gave you just 7 general infantry bases plus a few bikes:


There's a few new items I think are poor value for money though. I will definitely be drawing a line at things like drop pods, and probably any more terrain. Quite disappointed that the Ruins set is £45 when similar AT terrain boxes were £30.

Has anyone worked out a rough cost for a standard army?

I will try from the WH+ bat rep they’re doing this week.

 Souleater wrote:
Has anyone worked out a rough cost for a standard army?

I will try from the WH+ bat rep they’re doing this week.

Someone on B&C did, comes out about the same as a 40k force for the 3k point "normal" game size, I think I saw £350-450 for a full army with some support options.

On box contents? The other important thing for me has also been met. Specifically, that One Box = One Unit.

Yes there is incentive to buy multiples for larger units. But it’s thankfully not a requirement.

Dudeface wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
Has anyone worked out a rough cost for a standard army?

I will try from the WH+ bat rep they’re doing this week.

Someone on B&C did, comes out about the same as a 40k force for the 3k point "normal" game size, I think I saw 350-450$ for a full army with some support options.

Yeah they worked it out as £450 for a 3k army. Note they were working in GBP.

 xttz wrote:
However once you compare Epic 40k, the pricing was actually worse than right now in some cases. The new LI marine infantry box is 20 marine infantry bases + 4 dreads for £30 (cheaper from the core box and 3rd parties). Adjusting for inflation this Epic 40k box would be around £12 today, and gave you just 7 general infantry bases plus a few bikes:

Spoiler:

Those tactical, devastator, and assault squads were two stands each. The box provided half a battle company, plus a single stand of terminators, scouts, and command, for a total of 13 stands of infantry plus bikes and a single librarian with no spare guys to fill out the base.

which are the tiles?

Adnimistratum Sector? Seem the only one that looks overpricey?

 Albertorius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Unit boxes at £30 feels about nice to me. Should be able to FGLS them for £25 or so.

Honestly honestly? That feels about as close to Old Epic pricing as I could realistically have hoped.

According to https://www.in2013dollars.com/uk/inflation/1993?amount=8?

£8 in 1993 money is £20.00 or so in 2023 money, to give some idea of direct comparisons.

You got a lot more actually useable stuff in the plastic boxes for those £8, though.

Also an FLGS would give a discount back in the day also, so you could have probably got it for about £7 equivalent.

Ultimately, snot nosed kid version of me with an income of a few dollarydoos a week (assuming I did my chores) was able to amass a couple of reasonable armies back in the day. I wonder if snot nosed kids these days could do the same with LI.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Cleaning and assembling these tiny models is going to drive new gamers bonkers.
The infantry, OK to have separate and then base, but did the vehicles need to be in so many parts?

Repeat for hundreds of infantry and dozens of vehicles for a base army.

GW can do this because they know that most of these boxes will never leave shrinkwrap

I would say the prices are reasonable (or at least within expectations). Useful to see the inflation cost posts above, and it coming out similarly to the original games tank blister packs - where this falls down slightly is of course that infantry were super cheap in the original and every marine player had bulked-out armies with plastic land Raiders and rhinos (this is why those are still cheap even 30 years later on eBay, as they must have sold tens of thousands of the things!)

Another stumbling point is the very high points/miniature volume which GW have set as the 'standard' games value. My prediction is that this will be too much for an evening's play, and the community (not GW) will decide what a 'standard' game is. If it is perhaps two-thirds the amount, that will help push down the cost to play a little more.

Prices are... borderline for today's standards I guess. But funny thing, when AI came out we balked at the price per model, but we were told by the optimists here on Dakka that once Epic rolls around with its higher model count requirements, they would be made more affordable. Now those people are praising GW for at least keeping the price the same

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Unit boxes at £30 feels about nice to me. Should be able to FGLS them for £25 or so.

Honestly honestly? That feels about as close to Old Epic pricing as I could realistically have hoped.

According to https://www.in2013dollars.com/uk/inflation/1993?amount=8?

£8 in 1993 money is £20.00 or so in 2023 money, to give some idea of direct comparisons.

You got a lot more actually useable stuff in the plastic boxes for those £8, though.

Also an FLGS would give a discount back in the day also, so you could have probably got it for about £7 equivalent.

Ultimately, snot nosed kid version of me with an income of a few dollarydoos a week (assuming I did my chores) was able to amass a couple of reasonable armies back in the day. I wonder if snot nosed kids these days could do the same with LI.

Depends entirely on the depth of their pockets.

As said snot nosed kid? I had a paper round which paid something like…£18 a week? Maybe less. I mean, it’s 28 years ago so no chance of accuracy. I’d also get £5 a week from my parents. Out if that I paid for my sweets, my ciggies (I was a stupid kid), bus and train fares when going somewhere, magazines, and plastic crack.

I have absolutely no idea what kids get pocket money wise these days, or now I think about it, if paper rounds even exist in the UK, let alone what they pay!

VAYASEN wrote:
which are the tiles?

Adnimistratum Sector? Seem the only one that looks overpricey?

The tiles are webstore only so aren't available to retailers so not on the price list. The other US list that does have them on it have them at the same price as a Warlord Titan so £70/90€/115$

 Matrindur wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:
which are the tiles?

Adnimistratum Sector? Seem the only one that looks overpricey?

The tiles are webstore only so aren't available to retailers so not on the price list. The other US list that does have them on it have them at the same price as a Warlord Titan so £70/90€/115$

Oh Ok. So does that mean you can only get the Tiles from GW's Website?

Ta for the heads up.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Cleaning and assembling these tiny models is going to drive new gamers bonkers.
The infantry, OK to have separate and then base, but did the vehicles need to be in so many parts?

Repeat for hundreds of infantry and dozens of vehicles for a base army.

GW can do this because they know that most of these boxes will never leave shrinkwrap

I feel attacked.

ray648 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
However once you compare Epic 40k, the pricing was actually worse than right now in some cases. The new LI marine infantry box is 20 marine infantry bases + 4 dreads for £30 (cheaper from the core box and 3rd parties). Adjusting for inflation this Epic 40k box would be around £12 today, and gave you just 7 general infantry bases plus a few bikes:

Spoiler:

Those tactical, devastator, and assault squads were two stands each. The box provided half a battle company, plus a single stand of terminators, scouts, and command, for a total of 13 stands of infantry plus bikes and a single librarian with no spare guys to fill out the base.

Yeah, it's more complicated than that xD. With the old box you could assemble 13 marine bases of multiple types, plus a bike squad. Double that and you'd have 26 infantry bases plus two bike squads, and 6 pounds ^^.

 xttz wrote:


However once you compare Epic 40k, the pricing was actually worse than right now in some cases. The new LI marine infantry box is 20 marine infantry bases + 4 dreads for £30 (cheaper from the core box and 3rd parties). Adjusting for inflation this Epic 40k box would be around £12 today, and gave you just 7 general infantry bases plus a few bikes:

Spoiler:

If you add the 4 dreadnoughts blister that was also at £5 back then (if memory serves), you can get a closer comparison point with 13 infantry bases, 4 dreadnoughts and 2 bike stands (2 bikes per stand) for roughly £24 today. Quite equivalent to today's LI content in terms of value imho.
Edit: corrected number of stands