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 xttz wrote:



Interestingly at the end of this video he mentions painting a Dire Wolf soon. The FW version has been unavailable since summer. Wonder if that means influencers have the next batch of LI kits for review...

Hope so. Just looked at when the Dire Wolf plastic kit was revealed...it was July 6th.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 xttz wrote:



Interestingly at the end of this video he mentions painting a Dire Wolf soon. The FW version has been unavailable since summer. Wonder if that means influencers have the next batch of LI kits for review...

Hope so. Just looked at when the Dire Wolf plastic kit was revealed...it was July 6th.

Not really surprising since we are still missing original AT kits like the warhounds, warbringer and warmaster.
Should probably come together with those, the rest of the AI range (Thunderbolts and the SM flyers) and the two support boxes that already have rules in the book.

I hope it won't be too long until this release but influencers painting up the models isn't really a sign due to the delays. Some had the painted core set sitting around since the originally planned release and if the original wave 1 was supposed to be closer to the launch it wouldn't surprise me if they also had stuff like the direwolves for a while now

Question: is the Inferno gun mounted on the Malcador the same as in the Warhound? I mean, background-wise.

Well those are delightful. I think the Malcador might have the coolest side profile of all Imperial tanks and all these variations just add to it.

SU-152 wrote:
Question: is the Inferno gun mounted on the Malcador the same as in the Warhound? I mean, background-wise.

Probably a lot close to the Knight Acheron Inferno gun

 zedmeister wrote:

SU-152 wrote:
Question: is the Inferno gun mounted on the Malcador the same as in the Warhound? I mean, background-wise.

Probably a lot close to the Knight Acheron Inferno gun

Quick glance at the HH2.0 rules it seems to sit pretty much between those two

 Matrindur wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 xttz wrote:



Interestingly at the end of this video he mentions painting a Dire Wolf soon. The FW version has been unavailable since summer. Wonder if that means influencers have the next batch of LI kits for review...

Hope so. Just looked at when the Dire Wolf plastic kit was revealed...it was July 6th.

Not really surprising since we are still missing original AT kits like the warhounds, warbringer and warmaster.
Should probably come together with those, the rest of the AI range (Thunderbolts and the SM flyers) and the two support boxes that already have rules in the book.

I hope it won't be too long until this release but influencers painting up the models isn't really a sign due to the delays. Some had the painted core set sitting around since the originally planned release and if the original wave 1 was supposed to be closer to the launch it wouldn't surprise me if they also had stuff like the direwolves for a while now

OTOH they would likely have painted it by now if they had had long time ago.

If they now recently got it would fit. Announcement now, preorder in 2 weeks for 20.1 store date. Would give them 2 week + how long time ago they got + how long time ago video was filmed to paint. Plenty time.

And it's not like they would wait forever. GW doesn't like to show past 3 months so it would be under 3 month from starter launch rest are coming. This would mean bit short of 2 months so if they just shifted same amount as it would be it would likely start to fit quite well.

And that ignores possibility they tighten gap a bit to catch up.

The sooner we get the plastic Dire Wolf, the sooner we get the Rapier Titan.

(I'm gonna will that thing into existence, I swear.)

Reading too much into it. Ash said the Dire Wolf is something he wants to paint up, as an example of adding an oddball unit to his LI force, not as in "I have one waiting on my desk".

Really like the fixed gun/tank destroyer.

I wonder if the re-stock is a GW-store only thing? I have a few alerts on some bits, unless you are after Solar infantry at the moment almost everything else seems to be sold out.

 Pacific wrote:
Really like the fixed gun/tank destroyer.

I wonder if the re-stock is a GW-store only thing? I have a few alerts on some bits, unless you are after Solar infantry at the moment almost everything else seems to be sold out.

Some came back to GW online store but went back to out of stock. Might have been some cancelled orders or just very small print run and boom sold out right away.

All the bases came back to the GW store and are still in stock now, so I think it was a broader restock and some things have now sold out again.

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2 air assault formations dueling. That was fun. I'm planning similar formation as well.

Xiphons keep looking pretty darn good.

And these reports show why good that jinx isn't additional save roll but alternative. Planes good enough as is.

Yep, working on a Raven Guard list myself built around a core air assault formation - 3 thunderhawks, 5 storm eagles, 2 fire raptors, 3 xiphons. also have a garrison formation. List is currently sitting around 2300 pts, I'm waiting for the great slaughter book to fill out the remainder and finalize points, as I want drop pods and javelin speeders in there.

tneva82 wrote:
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2 air assault formations dueling. That was fun. I'm planning similar formation as well.

Xiphons keep looking pretty darn good.

And these reports show why good that jinx isn't additional save roll but alternative. Planes good enough as is.

Finding planes quite fragile myself.

Ok got mine today, minis look nice.

Tokens are garbage, ive gotten better tokens included in 90's White Dwarfs. Paper, ONE COLOR! The old epic tokens were much better, I'll just use those or 3d print new ones and paint them. The color or the orders made it so easy to tell from across the board which was which.

I did have some casualties though, one of the assault marines and a malcador were broken. Found lots of bits at the bottom of the box, couple of dread bodies, a few marines, are aux soldiers and some sponson weapons...I wonder if I can get replacements.

Update, spoke with GW, since I bought it on Amazon they won't touch it.....I hate to return the whole thing over a few broken parts that I could 3d print anyway....ill have to think about it. I really only bought it for the rules and to make sure my printer scale was correct for everything else.

But its not my fault GW skimped on the packaging either...You could tell the heavy book smashed the internal packaging pretty badly. Normal size minis probably would have been fine, but some of these epic parts are fragile.

 Andrew1975 wrote:


Update, spoke with GW, since I bought it on Amazon they won't touch it.....

Their customer service has become such garbage. They will find literally any reason to not help the customer.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:


Update, spoke with GW, since I bought it on Amazon they won't touch it.....

Their customer service has become such garbage. They will find literally any reason to not help the customer.

My friend's book is totally messed up, GW customer service blamed the flgs owner... I watched those guys on release day literally take boxes right from the larger one they were shipped in by gw so the idea they like decided to play football with someone's starter box is a bit much. It's even worse blaming the flgs in this case considering we all know the delay was so they could replace the books to begin with, evidenced by the fact the boxes weren't shrink wrapped but had stickers.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:


Update, spoke with GW, since I bought it on Amazon they won't touch it.....

Their customer service has become such garbage. They will find literally any reason to not help the customer.

Actually I think years of secondhand ebay stores scamming people with "new" product that's actually old returned/damaged product has caused GW to have to adjust their customer support. I know semi-recently they required proof of purchase of new stock (receipt) before they'd send out material. I'm assuming some people got wise to that and started causing issues. So now GW has defaulted to standard consumer practice. You return the product to the original store who traded with you and that store then handles any replacement and issues a request from GW for fresh stock etc...

That way GW only deals with their official stores and partnered 3rd parties. Anyone without a GW contract/agreement can't tap into this and it means GW can also track if certain stores are sending back way too many returns (eg the stores own packaging is causing issues).


It's a huge shame as GW's customer service has been fantastic over the years - even all through the Kirby era the customer service - at least in the UK - was always top rate. These adjustments feel like a firm that's had their great customer service abused on a large enough scale to cause issues and that means taking tighter measures to protect themselves.

 Overread wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:


Update, spoke with GW, since I bought it on Amazon they won't touch it.....

Their customer service has become such garbage. They will find literally any reason to not help the customer.

Actually I think years of secondhand ebay stores scamming people with "new" product that's actually old returned/damaged product has caused GW to have to adjust their customer support. I know semi-recently they required proof of purchase of new stock (receipt) before they'd send out material. I'm assuming some people got wise to that and started causing issues. So now GW has defaulted to standard consumer practice. You return the product to the original store who traded with you and that store then handles any replacement and issues a request from GW for fresh stock etc...

That way GW only deals with their official stores and partnered 3rd parties. Anyone without a GW contract/agreement can't tap into this and it means GW can also track if certain stores are sending back way too many returns (eg the stores own packaging is causing issues).


It's a huge shame as GW's customer service has been fantastic over the years - even all through the Kirby era the customer service - at least in the UK - was always top rate. These adjustments feel like a firm that's had their great customer service abused on a large enough scale to cause issues and that means taking tighter measures to protect themselves.

Yeah, Im a bit torn what to do. I could have just bought the book and estimated scale to print everything...but I wanted to support the game so giving them $200 bucks felt fair. This launch was really botched. Id take a softback book, better tokens and the cards (really you want me to pay $34 for a stack of cards). Every time I want to support something GW does...the give me a plethora of reasons not to.

Even though I could just print the broken parts...I feel like I should return it just because they messed this whole thing up so bad and are probably leaving a lot of people hanging out to dry.

Dunno, doesn't seem to me that their bottom line was being hurt very much at all, given their last years' performance.

What I DO know, though, is that knowing they won't make themselves responsible for their own product if it's not been sold at their store makes me WAY more gunshy about buying anything from them.

 Overread wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:


Update, spoke with GW, since I bought it on Amazon they won't touch it.....

Their customer service has become such garbage. They will find literally any reason to not help the customer.

Actually I think years of secondhand ebay stores scamming people with "new" product that's actually old returned/damaged product has caused GW to have to adjust their customer support. I know semi-recently they required proof of purchase of new stock (receipt) before they'd send out material. I'm assuming some people got wise to that and started causing issues. So now GW has defaulted to standard consumer practice. You return the product to the original store who traded with you and that store then handles any replacement and issues a request from GW for fresh stock etc...

That way GW only deals with their official stores and partnered 3rd parties. Anyone without a GW contract/agreement can't tap into this and it means GW can also track if certain stores are sending back way too many returns (eg the stores own packaging is causing issues).


It's a huge shame as GW's customer service has been fantastic over the years - even all through the Kirby era the customer service - at least in the UK - was always top rate. These adjustments feel like a firm that's had their great customer service abused on a large enough scale to cause issues and that means taking tighter measures to protect themselves.

This is all about profits. They are penny pinching. It would barely impact their bottom line to serve customers like they used to. When I was doing commissions, I would get boxes sent to me from clients and if I had issues, they would fix it because the product is theirs to fix. Amazon isn't causing sprues to go missing/be broken or defects in their injection molding to happen. This is just bad customer service built off greed and I do not expect it to change back ever. Very sad.

 Albertorius wrote:
Dunno, doesn't seem to me that their bottom line was being hurt very much at all, given their last years' performance.

What I DO know, though, is that knowing they won't make themselves responsible for their own product if it's not been sold at their store makes me WAY more gunshy about buying anything from them.

The worse for me is blaming their resellers for something gw literally took the shrink wrap off every box to replace, as if the resellers are playing football with box sets or something, Makes no sense, incredibly short-sighted on their part.

It's making me gunshy about ordering the great slaughter whenever it comes up for pre-order. If the book is damaged when it get to me the message is I would be sol basically.

No you wouldnt. The store you bought would replace it.

Unless you bought it from non-gw retailer ie cause of change of policy. Buy from retailer. Not non-retailers.

I buy from legit gw retailers who have retail account and hence i get replacements if needed. And doesn't cost seller either

tneva82 wrote:
No you wouldnt. The store you bought would replace it.

Unless you bought it from non-gw retailer ie cause of change of policy. Buy from retailer. Not non-retailers.

I buy from legit gw retailers who have retail account and hence i get replacements if needed. And doesn't cost seller either

...other than time and hassle, for both you and the retailer, while a quick call to GW usually sorted everything promptly. And GW could ask for the receipt of that retailer, too, if proof of sale is needed at all.

tneva82 wrote:
No you wouldnt. The store you bought would replace it.

Unless you bought it from non-gw retailer ie cause of change of policy. Buy from retailer. Not non-retailers.

I buy from legit gw retailers who have retail account and hence i get replacements if needed. And doesn't cost seller either

Ok, look at it this way, if I return this to Amazon, they pick it up at my house and give me a refund. My part is done, just out some time until I can order another one that might be damaged. Amazon sends it back to the FLGS ( I spoke to them also by the way, they said all I could do was send it back if I'm not satisfied) FLGS now has to send it to GW for a refund. GW gets it...maybe they replace the broken parts and sell it again. The reality is that somewhere along the line it just ends up in a wastebin. Is GW really going to go through, check contents and repack? probably not. So this box and others like it would probably just be writeoffs.... OR GW could just send me a Malcadore sprue and a Space Marine sprue......costs them almost nothing.

I'm annoyed may not repurchase, FLGS is annoyed, GW potentially misses out on purchase and creates bad will.

or they send out a sprue or two.....and everyone is happy. It can even be a broken or partial sprue as long as it replaces the parts damaged.

My box came with a few semi-broken parts. Nothing completely snapped off, but several bits hanging by a thread. Most of the assault marines were like that.

Tossing up whether to bother asking for replacements. It's a hassle, and I could just throw some Tamiya extra thin cement over them and hope for the best.

They did a really shabby job of packing it, and lots of bits don't have enough "protector" pieces on the sprue (you know, those protrusions that stop the models banging against each other in the box).

You'd think for a $335 box they could throw in some damned packing material so stuff doesn't move around. Hell, the place I bought it from packed it in a box with some biodegradable paper padding... the problem was the kit itself internally had no protection.

If I needed more convincing that 3D printing the infantry is a better idea, well I guess this adds to that

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
My box came with a few semi-broken parts. Nothing completely snapped off, but several bits hanging by a thread. Most of the assault marines were like that.

Tossing up whether to bother asking for replacements. It's a hassle, and I could just throw some Tamiya extra thin cement over them and hope for the best.

They did a really shabby job of packing it, and lots of bits don't have enough "protector" pieces on the sprue (you know, those protrusions that stop the models banging against each other in the box).

You'd think for a $335 box they could throw in some damned packing material so stuff doesn't move around. Hell, the place I bought it from packed it in a box with some biodegradable paper padding... the problem was the kit itself internally had no protection.

If I needed more convincing that 3D printing the infantry is a better idea, well I guess this adds to that

The big problem is the big heavy book acts like a wrecking ball during shipping! Could have just given us smaller softcover books, but big hard cover allows you to charge extra for the premium feel! The book is bad anyway, mostly useless, barely covers any units not included in the box. Seriously Space Marine rule book without Rules for Landraiders????? I'm very disappointed in many ways with this box.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
My box came with a few semi-broken parts. Nothing completely snapped off, but several bits hanging by a thread. Most of the assault marines were like that.

Tossing up whether to bother asking for replacements. It's a hassle, and I could just throw some Tamiya extra thin cement over them and hope for the best.

They did a really shabby job of packing it, and lots of bits don't have enough "protector" pieces on the sprue (you know, those protrusions that stop the models banging against each other in the box).

You'd think for a $335 box they could throw in some damned packing material so stuff doesn't move around. Hell, the place I bought it from packed it in a box with some biodegradable paper padding... the problem was the kit itself internally had no protection.

If I needed more convincing that 3D printing the infantry is a better idea, well I guess this adds to that

The big problem is the big heavy book acts like a wrecking ball during shipping! Could have just given us smaller softcover books, but big hard cover allows you to charge extra for the premium feel! The book is bad anyway, mostly useless, barely covers any units not included in the box. Seriously Space Marine rule book without Rules for Landraiders????? I'm very disappointed in many ways with this box.

I think it's a mixture of the big book and too much free space. My big book was still nestled in the little space for it under the poster thingo, so I assume it didn't come out and damage stuff.

The early Aeronautica Imperialis boxes also had a lot of free space but they put some of those packing balloons in to stop things moving around. The later boxes didn't have those and inevitably stuff was damaged in them.

But yeah, I hate the big book, I know I'm about 20 years late to the party but why the hell is GW so attracted to these giant fecking books that cram pictures and fluff and rules (and incomplete rules...) into one huge hardback. Do people really prefer that to having 2 or 3 smaller books? One for rules and only rules, one for army lists and only army lists, and maybe a fluff book that also has scenarios in it (though personally I'd rather have the fluff book completely separate).

This giant hardbacks are so cumbersome, they don't fit neatly into any transport options, I can't comfortably read them in bed, they just feel so unnecessary.

Hell, my favourite were the A5 sized books that came with Epic40k, so much easier to transport. Or the thin paperbacks that came with the Aeronautica Imperialis starter sets, I can just sandwich one of them between 2 layers in my army transport box.


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 Crablezworth wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
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2 air assault formations dueling. That was fun. I'm planning similar formation as well.

Xiphons keep looking pretty darn good.

And these reports show why good that jinx isn't additional save roll but alternative. Planes good enough as is.

Finding planes quite fragile myself.

Haven't played a game yet, but I had plans to do a Storm Eagle squadron for dropping troops until I saw GMG's battle report where 1 got blown out of the sky turn 1 while loaded with troops, and the 2nd one only survived because of lucky dice. Super easy to lose 200pts worth of flyers +95pts of troops in one go.

Not that easy if you are careful where you land. Hitting on 6'st and good saves means not many detachment can overfire them to death. Enemy planes meanwhile can't hunt before transport has already disgorged troops.