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kodos wrote: assuming their troubles are caused by the pandemic and were not there before or caused by something else that was there before and just well hidden from people because a global crisis was an easy excuse
Covid is no excuse for a January announcements of 'available this month' to 2 weeks later 'later this year'.
They would do their customers a huge service with just a slight, rough explanation.
kodos wrote: assuming their troubles are caused by the pandemic and were not there before or caused by something else that was there before and just well hidden from people because a global crisis was an easy excuse
Covid is no excuse for a January announcements of 'available this month' to 2 weeks later 'later this year'.
They would do their customers a huge service with just a slight, rough explanation.
I've heard its pushed back to march 2nd.
In terms of blind speculation, not the first to mention it but perhaps somehow related to the red sea issues and suez traffic being way down going around the horn of africa instead. If the book or something else is china printed/manufactured and not uk, could explain part of it.
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Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Well. If somebody knows how to fix issues tip. Don't complain here. Show it to gw and rake profit.
Gw wants problems solved as well. Somebody actually knows solution that makes financial sense(buying entire china's factory output does not ) can rake hefty reward
Dysartes wrote: If it is something that reasonable, though, why not clearly state there's been a delay due to shipping issues?
Mind you, this isGW we're talking about...
Because no matter what they say, there will always be the usual suspects spinning it as they're incompetent, lying, etc.
It's also likely there there isn't just one problem they can point at. It's likely a whole slew of things and some of them might well be the Pandemic still rearing its head in various knock on domino effects. Some might even just be active cashflow issues where GW has a slow sales month or an expensive bill month and suddenly plans get delayed and shuffled around. Throw a mistake or two in; throw a delayed boat; throw a sub contractor taking longer and then a global disaster somewhere and pop you've got a bunch of things not working as they should having knock on effects on the release schedule for ages.
Heck some could be just tiny things or internal company politics or metrics or such.
Dysartes wrote: If it is something that reasonable, though, why not clearly state there's been a delay due to shipping issues?
Mind you, this isGW we're talking about...
If GW announce a reason when it's something mundane like a shipping issue, the speculation will be incessant when they don't announce a reason (when perhaps it's a strategic decision, owing to backlogs with other products or whatever). Things get delayed; I think trying to explain it can become a no-win situation for a company.
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Dysartes wrote: If it is something that reasonable, though, why not clearly state there's been a delay due to shipping issues?
Mind you, this isGW we're talking about...
If GW announce a reason when it's something mundane like a shipping issue, the speculation will incessant when they don't announce a reason (when perhaps it's a strategic decision, owing to backlogs with other products or whatever). Things get delayed; I think trying to explain it can become a no-win situation for a company.
It can also be a no win when there's lots of little problems that add up. In the end all firms have problems, many don't amount to anything worth reporting on to customers. Heck it might even just be that GW has a few people in the estimations block who under-estimate how a few stages will go and suddenly that "oh yeah it will be done in 2 weeks" turns into 4
Dysartes wrote: If it is something that reasonable, though, why not clearly state there's been a delay due to shipping issues?
Mind you, this isGW we're talking about...
If GW announce a reason when it's something mundane like a shipping issue, the speculation will be incessant when they don't announce a reason (when perhaps it's a strategic decision, owing to backlogs with other products or whatever). Things get delayed; I think trying to explain it can become a no-win situation for a company.
Wouldn't be too bad then if this is true.
The next possible preorder would be on the 3rd and out on the 17th so March 2nd would only be 2 weeks later.
So while it is a delay from the original January preorder its not even close to how bad the original delay was.
And they could still release the rest of the wave 1 stuff before that (Maybe for preorder next week?)
Wouldn't be too bad then if this is true.
The next possible preorder would be on the 3rd and out on the 17th so March 2nd would only be 2 weeks later.
So while it is a delay from the original January preorder its not even close to how bad the original delay was.
And they could still release the rest of the wave 1 stuff before that (Maybe for preorder next week?)
Yeah. Could be worse.
And allows me time to prepare cash for bigger preorder.
The way supply issues are I might want to preorder everything I want RIGHT NOW IMMEDIATELY and not part now part later after alll...For example I would need 2 box(baneblade and russ) to get 1500 SA. I didn't preorder baneblades when they came. Good luck me getting them now I have put reservation to FLGS but anybody's guess when it gets more from GW(we are still waiting for ANY marine infantry ever...0 boxes of those so far)
You know the rules are all there as they used them in that bat-rep months ago, and I suspect they designed the game as one block and then split into chunks.
I wish someone would get on and leak a copy of the rulebook so we can procure miniatures for it 'by alternative means' and just play the damn full game already But I suspect my interests and GW's might not align on that one!
And they could still release the rest of the wave 1 stuff before that (Maybe for preorder next week?)
Honestly I really hope they manage to squeeze in another wave before then if the supplement isn't coming until March. Without filling the major gaps like support boxes & individual core set kit releases, I worry the game will lose all momentum.
And they could still release the rest of the wave 1 stuff before that (Maybe for preorder next week?)
Honestly I really hope they manage to squeeze in another wave before then if the supplement isn't coming until March. Without filling the major gaps like support boxes & individual core set kit releases, I worry the game will lose all momentum.
Agreed. While most players are obviously interested in getting shiny new toys, extra detachments... getting the fundamentals right and a steady supply of the main units + the models you can so far only get from purchasing additional core set is more important (a scenery refill wouldn't go amiss either). Really hope we get Predators, Sicarans, Malcador and Leman Russes announced this Sunday, even if The Great Slaughter is pushed back.
100% agree, not a vast amount of point in releasing more rules when people can't get the stuff they have already released rules for
also hoping they don't go too far down the route of releasing books before a few fundamental issues around game balance are resolved as thats likely going to require a 1.1 release of the books
leopard wrote: also hoping they don't go too far down the route of releasing books before a few fundamental issues around game balance are resolved as thats likely going to require a 1.1 release of the books
leopard wrote: also hoping they don't go too far down the route of releasing books before a few fundamental issues around game balance are resolved as thats likely going to require a 1.1 release of the books
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yes nothing like a bit of hopeless optimism is there...
whoever came up with this "upgrades should cost no points" stuff GW have bitten on hard wants introducing to the back of the chemical sheds
whoever came up with this "upgrades should cost no points" stuff GW have bitten on hard wants introducing to the back of the chemical sheds
Especially since its not consistent, there are a few units that have point upgrades. Rhinos with their pintle weapons, Thunderbolts with their bolt cannon and Questoris Knights with their Thunderstrike Gauntlets.
So its not that GW did a blanket decision that more complexity in list building isn't worth the "this option is obviously better" problem, they deliberately decided for each individual unit that its fine for them. Vanquisher cannons come to mind.
Unless of course the three units with point upgrades shouldn't have them and those are leftovers from an earlier rules draft that mistakenly got left in which also wouldn't be a great sign after they already reprinted the book.
Not saying those that do have point upgrades shouldn't have them, more that if they can have them why nobody else?
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And they could still release the rest of the wave 1 stuff before that (Maybe for preorder next week?)
Honestly I really hope they manage to squeeze in another wave before then if the supplement isn't coming until March. Without filling the major gaps like support boxes & individual core set kit releases, I worry the game will lose all momentum.
Same here,
they could make a release Block with Predators, Sicarans, Leman Russ, Malcadors, Warhound Titans and those two Support Sets with the Static Weapons and Rapiers for both Factions with other Stuff to play the full Rulebooks Army List Options..
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And they could still release the rest of the wave 1 stuff before that (Maybe for preorder next week?)
Honestly I really hope they manage to squeeze in another wave before then if the supplement isn't coming until March. Without filling the major gaps like support boxes & individual core set kit releases, I worry the game will lose all momentum.
That assumes GW has choice.
And not say those and rest being delayed by say ship carrying them deciding to detour rather than brave missiles(or being held on other side of the world due to issues causes by lack of water)
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And they could still release the rest of the wave 1 stuff before that (Maybe for preorder next week?)
Honestly I really hope they manage to squeeze in another wave before then if the supplement isn't coming until March. Without filling the major gaps like support boxes & individual core set kit releases, I worry the game will lose all momentum.
Agreed. While most players are obviously interested in getting shiny new toys, extra detachments... getting the fundamentals right and a steady supply of the main units + the models you can so far only get from purchasing additional core set is more important (a scenery refill wouldn't go amiss either). Really hope we get Predators, Sicarans, Malcador and Leman Russes announced this Sunday, even if The Great Slaughter is pushed back.
From my POV, getting the fundamentals also means getting the items from The Great Slaughter (and perhaps the next "expansion" too). We have detachment types listed in the corerulebook that we cannot fill because there are no datasheets in that book for them (i.e. vanguard, artillery, light armor). Without units for these detachments, the game is incomplete.
It's fine so long as GW recognise that and don't axe the game. Plenty a game has survived a shortfall of sales to recover later. It's not ideal, but its not the end of the world.
The end of the world is if GW go "whelp its not getting traction - kill it"
chaos0xomega wrote: The release delays and stock shortages are going to strangle LI in its infancy.
For that mankind has to have so short attention span it's doomed to die off anyway. At that point fate of one game is minor compared to death of entire human race
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chaos0xomega wrote: The release delays and stock shortages are going to strangle LI in its infancy.
Eh, I dunno. I think most people interested in the game will still be so a couple months from now, and those that aren't...still won't and probably wouldn't be even with more stock on the shelves. It feels to me like this game has a very targeted/niche/inelastic audience even for GW. Just my own impression based on zero real data.
And as an AT player, I think LI players should expect some longer gaps with support. AT did it better for getting its main Titans all released within a couple months of launch...but it still was a couple months, during which time people were using older models for Reavers and Warhounds. And then it was maybe an every 6 months schedule? At least before things got even slower. They talked about or hinted at a number of things for AT that still haven't seen the light of day. So those other factions for the game might be a pretty good wait if they even happen.
The Cursed City fiasco was far worse as we had no indication at all that it would return at a later time, and we just assumed it was discontinued on day one.
With Legions Imperialis we at least know that it's only a delay. Also Titanicus was still thriving despite a long drought of releases, and rumours that Epic would be returning.
And finally there are 3rd party alternatives, which only leaves the matter of purchasing either the starter set or core rule book. Actually, just looking on Vanguard there's alternative resin models for both the Warhound and Direwolf...worth a butchers.
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) can rake hefty reward
