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RazorEdge wrote:
Thats how the Boxes look like:

Oh! I thought you mean like a little bit of small print. Thanks for going to the effort.

Thats...right. Okay...ummm...

There must be a new Heresy-themed boxed game of Aeronautica on the way then.


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 xttz wrote:


Does the new Thunderhawk box include rules for Aeronautica? Is it part of the assembly instructions?

The new rulebook doesn't list any unit rules aside from the Custodes flyer, so I wonder where they're supposed to come from.

OMG, I was under the impression that the current Aeronautica book had profiles for all Imperial craft. In which case GW needs to sort that game out sharpish.

SamusDrake wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Thats how the Boxes look like:

Oh! I thought you mean like a little bit of small print. Thanks for going to the effort.

Thats...right. Okay...ummm...

There must be a new Heresy-themed boxed game of Aeronautica on the way then.


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 xttz wrote:


Does the new Thunderhawk box include rules for Aeronautica? Is it part of the assembly instructions?

The new rulebook doesn't list any unit rules aside from the Custodes flyer, so I wonder where they're supposed to come from.

OMG, I was under the impression that the current Aeronautica book had profiles for all Imperial craft. In which case GW needs to sort that game out sharpish.

The HH Aeronautica book contains all the rules of what you can buy now. So you don't need the rules to be in the box in order to play with the Thunderhawk.

So the HH Aeronautica book contains all the core rules, all the rules for different Legions (nothing special TBH), and the rules for all aircraft that are usable in the HH.

All they need to do is release a bloody hex map and people could actually play the game

BUT, they did include the rules originally with the Thunderhawk, printed on the back page of the instruction manual, and when the Thunderhawk first released it was the only place to get the rules (since the companion and HH book didn't come out until later).

Yup. Just re-watched GMG's review of the book and you're absolutely right.

Maybe at Warhammer Fest they'll announce new starters for both AT and AI, or something. Who knows.

Just a FYI: If anyone's interested in a Chaosified Warlord proxy, Bishok has just relased one:

https://www.myminifactory.com/users/Bishok/collection/cursed-legion-of-cendre




Also a free Defiler and more generic daemons that could probably work decently for 30k.

Pretty cool.

One of the 7 holy mysteries of AT is why GW never produced Corrupted Titan bits.

I wanted to see more Legio transfers sheets and some Legio-specific armor bits, but I understand why they didn't want to add umpteen SKUs to the product line. But Corrupted bits just seem easy and obvious and useable by any Traitor player. They've created plastic sprues for less sensible reasons, but even if they didn't want to go that route they have resin as an option.

Makes me think that the SG team really has been told hands-off on anything that could perceived to be 40K IP.

 gorgon wrote:
One of the 7 holy mysteries of AT is why GW never produced Corrupted Titan bits.

I wanted to see more Legio transfers sheets and some Legio-specific armor bits, but I understand why they didn't want to add umpteen SKUs to the product line. But Corrupted bits just seem easy and obvious and useable by any Traitor player. They've created plastic sprues for less sensible reasons, but even if they didn't want to go that route they have resin as an option.

Makes me think that the SG team really has been told hands-off on anything that could perceived to be 40K IP.

Especially how they did release a psi-titan but not generally corrupted/posessed bits, it really harkens back to the day when FW was basically a motley collection of individual sculptors' passion projects.

Sometimes I think its because the studio is trapped in internal politics and they are only allowed to work in the very early part of the 30K era.

That or the budget for chaos parts got taken and put into making the new tanks and infantry models and left nothing for corrupted titans.

SamusDrake wrote:
Maybe at Warhammer Fest they'll announce new starters for both AT and AI, or something. Who knows.

I think that AT 2.0 would have a good following, AND would allow GW to re-release the game in a new series of books.

On the other hand, I suspect they have all their writing resources devoted to LI for a while...

Did order a second box of legion imperialis, its cheaper if you play bouth sides and the only way to get more tanks till now.
Wanted to buy some sm interseptors but could not find them. where do you find those xipion fighters?

 skeleton wrote:
where do you find those xipion fighters?

They haven't been re-released yet, but should hopefully be in the next wave (whenever that is).

 schoon wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Maybe at Warhammer Fest they'll announce new starters for both AT and AI, or something. Who knows.

I think that AT 2.0 would have a good following, AND would allow GW to re-release the game in a new series of books.

On the other hand, I suspect they have all their writing resources devoted to LI for a while...

And if they really wanted AT 2.0 to do well, they'd move up the timeline a smidge and introduce Orks. They could do a great job with just 4 kits and maybe some resin bits. And they would sell well to existing players and rope in some fans of the faction who are new to the game. I'm sure that some Epic players would buy the kits too. Hint that Eldar are on the way eventually, and you'd have a lot of buzz around the game.

But I'm increasingly of the opinion that the team just isn't allowed now, based on what happened with AI and what LI ended up being. Looks like they have a very small sandbox to play in. Is what it is.

 skeleton wrote:
Did order a second box of legion imperialis, its cheaper if you play bouth sides and the only way to get more tanks till now.
Wanted to buy some sm interseptors but could not find them. where do you find those xipion fighters?

Vanguard have their own Novan Elites version of the Xipion. Oh, and some indies might have the odd copy of the Marine vs Eldar AI box set in stock...


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 schoon wrote:


On the other hand, I suspect they have all their writing resources devoted to LI for a while...

It feels like an eternity since in Defence of Ryza, it was mentioned that there would be a future supplement covering Renegade knight banners. And that was a good three years ago...

 Overread wrote:
Sometimes I think its because the studio is trapped in internal politics and they are only allowed to work in the very early part of the 30K era.

I’d suspect that that is probably close to the truth…

 gorgon wrote:

And if they really wanted AT 2.0 to do well, they'd move up the timeline a smidge and introduce Orks. They could do a great job with just 4 kits and maybe some resin bits.

There's currently whispers about a black library Great Scouring IP to follow on from the HH series. As well as fleshing out some conflicts against now fully-Chaos opponents, it also provides a setting for 30k-era units & characters to be liberating worlds from xenos incursions.

Horus Heresy tabletop content tends to follow closely on from black library events. While realistically it's ~4 years away at best, I think the next logical major step for epic scale would be an AT reboot against plastic gargants & stompas. Then they can evolve that with Ork tanks & infantry in LI at a later date, using the existing flyers.

Whatever happens its going to be decades before they can glacially move toward Tyranids in the 40K era :(

SamusDrake wrote:

It feels like an eternity since in Defence of Ryza, it was mentioned that there would be a future supplement covering Renegade knight banners. And that was a good three years ago...

It wasn't long after that WarCom dropped some free download AT mission content. I suspect there was a planned supplement book that got canned due to a combination of post-covid pressure, the decision to produce LI, and perhaps the AT compendium books we got instead.

 xttz wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

And if they really wanted AT 2.0 to do well, they'd move up the timeline a smidge and introduce Orks. They could do a great job with just 4 kits and maybe some resin bits.

There's currently whispers about a black library Great Scouring IP to follow on from the HH series. As well as fleshing out some conflicts against now fully-Chaos opponents, it also provides a setting for 30k-era units & characters to be liberating worlds from xenos incursions.

Horus Heresy tabletop content tends to follow closely on from black library events. While realistically it's ~4 years away at best, I think the next logical major step for epic scale would be an AT reboot against plastic gargants & stompas. Then they can evolve that with Ork tanks & infantry in LI at a later date, using the existing flyers.

Ehhh, i've been hearing rumors about Great Scouring for 10 years now, ill believe it when theres something more than idle speculation. I think the source of it was a couple out of context quotes from Alan Bligh where he mentioned the Crusade and/or Scouring in the context of things being more appropriate for those settings (which does not imply that the Horus Heresy would expand into them), as well as a quote which was a response to a Q&A where someone was concerned about them running out of Horus Heresy narrative to explore and the game going stale, to which he responded that there was enough story in the Horus Heresy to keep them developing the game for decades to come, but that if they really did run out of stuff they could alwayscircle b ack to the Great Crusade or move into the Scouring era for additional content and narrative, etc. which isn't a statement of intent so much as a statement of possibility. I believe there was also a statement he made though in response to that (may have been at a separate Q&A after that statement took on a life of its own) in which Alan stated something to the effect of "The game is called The Horus Heresy" to dismiss discussions of other time periods... though if nobody noticed the game is technically now called or subtitled "Age of Darkness", which may allude to broader future intentions.

 gorgon wrote:
One of the 7 holy mysteries of AT is why GW never produced Corrupted Titan bits.

I wanted to see more Legio transfers sheets and some Legio-specific armor bits, but I understand why they didn't want to add umpteen SKUs to the product line. But Corrupted bits just seem easy and obvious and useable by any Traitor player. They've created plastic sprues for less sensible reasons, but even if they didn't want to go that route they have resin as an option.

Makes me think that the SG team really has been told hands-off on anything that could perceived to be 40K IP.

I'm not fully up on the lore, but I've been led to believe there wasn't a lot of physical corruption until after the Heresy, barring the occasional Daemon Primarch.

 xttz wrote:


It wasn't long after that WarCom dropped some free download AT mission content. I suspect there was a planned supplement book that got canned due to a combination of post-covid pressure, the decision to produce LI, and perhaps the AT compendium books we got instead.

It would seem that way, I suppose.

Glass half-full, I think it helps to treat Legions Imperialis as a companion to Titanicus, just for the time being. Used together with the AT starter set, one can host two minimal maniples; 1 Reaver & 2 Warhounds each, all with different weapons. Or a full 5-titan ventor maniple with a supporting Reaver, which should be approaching a 1750 point force. While the smaller tanks and troops aren't usable in games of Titanicus, they could still be placed on the board for extra detail(troops sitting on buildings) - or possibly used as tokens such as titan hunter infantry...

For the Legions side of things, the two Cerastus Lancers would be more at home than they ever were in AT, and more suitable allies for the two small marine and solar armies in the set, than the warhounds. I can see them keeping the vehicles in check, but vulnerable to being overwhelmed by the troops, while the troops are vulnerable to the vehicles...

chaos0xomega wrote:

Ehhh, i've been hearing rumors about Great Scouring for 10 years now, ill believe it when theres something more than idle speculation. I think the source of it was a couple out of context quotes from Alan Bligh where he mentioned the Crusade and/or Scouring in the context of things being more appropriate for those settings (which does not imply that the Horus Heresy would expand into them), as well as a quote which was a response to a Q&A ..

There's a more recent Valrak rumour claiming this. Combined with the upcoming Black Library day and inevitable preview stream in February, I wonder if we'll get some confirmation sooner rather than later.

chaos0xomega wrote:
though if nobody noticed the game is technically now called or subtitled "Age of Darkness", which may allude to broader future intentions.

Very much looking forward to the
Warhammer: Legions Imperialis: Age of Darkness: Great Scouring: Starter set!




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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:


I'm not fully up on the lore, but I've been led to believe there wasn't a lot of physical corruption until after the Heresy, barring the occasional Daemon Primarch.

The very first daemon titan was created during the aftermath of Beta Garmon / Titandeath. Then I think the only place they show up after is during the Siege of Terra, which would be a fairly limited setting for a tabletop game as not all factions are commited.

I could see why they'd want to keep possessed titan models for a post-heresy setting.

On the other hand, rule of cool says give me my possessed titans now

 Overread wrote:
Sometimes I think its because the studio is trapped in internal politics and they are only allowed to work in the very early part of the 30K era.

That or the budget for chaos parts got taken and put into making the new tanks and infantry models and left nothing for corrupted titans.

Feel like it's important to bring up the fact that the model designers have 100% of the power in GW. This is something they've stated and restated a thousand times now, what comes out is what the model designers feel like making with no pressure put on them. Examples given include stuff like primarchs, where GW has made public statements that they'll be released when the design team feels like making them.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
One of the 7 holy mysteries of AT is why GW never produced Corrupted Titan bits.

I wanted to see more Legio transfers sheets and some Legio-specific armor bits, but I understand why they didn't want to add umpteen SKUs to the product line. But Corrupted bits just seem easy and obvious and useable by any Traitor player. They've created plastic sprues for less sensible reasons, but even if they didn't want to go that route they have resin as an option.

Makes me think that the SG team really has been told hands-off on anything that could perceived to be 40K IP.

I'm not fully up on the lore, but I've been led to believe there wasn't a lot of physical corruption until after the Heresy, barring the occasional Daemon Primarch.

No, Banelords definitely became a thing late in the Heresy (Titandeath novel, IIRC), and there were other corrupted Titans at the Siege. Mortis had a bunch of weird zombie Titans they used as cannon fodder, IIRC. Thing is, the AT rules for Corrupted Titans are actually kind of Chaos-lite...they definitely include physical mutations but the result isn't even a Banelord per se. And so (getting this back on topic) an altered Titan is something you could definitely see on an LI battlefield. It just seems like the miniatures are stuck in an early/mid-Heresy period even as the rules aren't.

Also, by the time of the Siege, the WE, DG, EC, etc. were all pretty much their 40K versions. Death Guard were bloated with guts hanging out and Nurglings sitting on them, World Eaters had fully bloodstained armor and had gone completely maniacal, etc.

 cole1114 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Sometimes I think its because the studio is trapped in internal politics and they are only allowed to work in the very early part of the 30K era.

That or the budget for chaos parts got taken and put into making the new tanks and infantry models and left nothing for corrupted titans.

Feel like it's important to bring up the fact that the model designers have 100% of the power in GW. This is something they've stated and restated a thousand times now, what comes out is what the model designers feel like making with no pressure put on them. Examples given include stuff like primarchs, where GW has made public statements that they'll be released when the design team feels like making them.

Eh I don't think its fully true that they have 100% power.

I'm sure that different teams/groups are focused on specific areas which are defined by managers and teams and such. There has to be SOME business side to the structure of GW.


It's that or the Specialist team is comprised only of 30K fans, which would on one hand make for some good games but on the other run the risk of it being very stale in a creative way

WD470 had rules for corrupted/mutated Titans in AT.

I mean, I'm pretty sure that statement WAS true at some point, just like the statements about the price of making a new mould.

I don't believe either is true anymore (I mean, we know the second isn't xD).

chaos0xomega wrote:


Ehhh, i've been hearing rumors about Great Scouring for 10 years now, ill believe it when theres something more than idle speculation. I think the source of it was a couple out of context quotes from Alan Bligh where he mentioned the Crusade and/or Scouring in the context of things being more appropriate for those settings (which does not imply that the Horus Heresy would expand into them), as well as a quote which was a response to a Q&A where someone was concerned about them running out of Horus Heresy narrative to explore and the game going stale, to which he responded that there was enough story in the Horus Heresy to keep them developing the game for decades to come, but that if they really did run out of stuff they could alwayscircle b ack to the Great Crusade or move into the Scouring era for additional content and narrative, etc. which isn't a statement of intent so much as a statement of possibility. I believe there was also a statement he made though in response to that (may have been at a separate Q&A after that statement took on a life of its own) in which Alan stated something to the effect of "The game is called The Horus Heresy" to dismiss discussions of other time periods... though if nobody noticed the game is technically now called or subtitled "Age of Darkness", which may allude to broader future intentions.

Alan bligh has been dead for a veeeeeery long time. Whatever were plans then aren't same as plans now.

In case you haven't noticed BL wrapped up HH. Next book series is just matter of what it's about. Not if there is one.

What guy said over 7 years ago has little bearing on what company plans to do 10+ years from after his passing. He's not driving the game anymore and his word has no more bearing whatsoever.

tneva82 wrote:


In case you haven't noticed BL wrapped up HH. Next book series is just matter of what it's about. Not if there is one.

It seems they're switching their focus over to The Old World, with Lords of the Lance being the new novel.

BL has released old world novels on a regular bases before, a single new TOW one does not necessarily indicates a shift from HH to TOW