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I’m definitely in for a bunch of Sabres. Sicaran variants I’ll need to await the rules before deciding.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m definitely in for a bunch of Sabres. Sicaran variants I’ll need to await the rules before deciding.

Now for them in 28mm please GW?

Lots of nice models shown in the preview! I 'm also going hard on Sabres when they are released.
Not sure how I feel about customising units with Battle Honors at this scale, though.

CorwinB wrote:
Lots of nice models shown in the preview! I 'm also going hard on Sabres when they are released.
Not sure how I feel about customising units with Battle Honors at this scale, though.

Battle Honours are surely a campaign thing, where such things have a better home to begin with. I'm happy with them at Epic scale, if they're reasonably conservative with their effects, as troop quality and training across larger formations is indeed one of the decisive factors in real combat. An individual soldier of superlative skill is a nice thing to have, but an elite company is an actual asset that usually does get its own statline in historical games.

The post-reveal chat on Warhammer Community all but says it's just for campaigns.

Kind of disappointed at the lack of new stuff in the campaign book. I know they want to spread things out to maximise book sales, but the Solar Auxilia in particular feel a bit thin on the ground when all they're getting are what amount to new turret options for tanks that're already out. You'd think they'd throw in the Aurox or Carnodon to mix things up a bit.

Screen grabs pinched from Canterbury Crusaders’ FB feed, showing some of the rules off.

Sicaran Arcus seem quite nice. Not great on Range, but the multiple shots, even with Anti-Tank, means it can mess up infantry pretty well with the missile launcher. Ripple Fire allows you to re-roll 1’s to Hit when on First Fire orders. Which seems OK.

So exactly as expected anything with a boxart like image in the books got a kit (though two more LR kits are still slightly unexpected)
Are there any more images left that didn't get a kit yet?
I can only remember the Mechanicum knights which if they get a plastic one instead of just staying resin will likely only come with a future Mechanicum expansion

Most of the Aeronautica Flyers still awaiting a repackaging to Legions Imperialis. Well, most of the Marine ones anyway.

Still no marine superheavies? That's the main thing I want to see.

But, I dunno, I just can't get excited for this, another campaign book so soon? I'd rather see them wrap up the main core forces, release a rulebook that includes all those forces, and move on to other things like Mechanicum.

I wonder if we'll get more marine infantry boxes, the preview included things like Terminator formations in Land Raiders, at the moment to do that would require buying a few tons of other infantry.

So from a number of kits perspective we currently have 6 kits coming for this expansion (the 4 revealed yesterday and the Terminates and Shadowsword box)
The Great Slaughter meanwhile had 9 kits plus the rules for the Cyclops that is in the same box as the corebook SA support stuff

If we are instead using the number of detachments we have 3 from the Shadowsword kit as we already saw the Shadowsword card in the video and it doesn't have the other two guns on it like the Baneblade/Hellhammer combo so all three versions are likely getting their own detachment.
The Termites and Sabres should be one each but again the cards for the Demolisher LR and Sicaran Arcus only have their guns and not the other versions on it so should be another 4 detachments from these two kits. No card for the Exterminator/Annihilator LR kit but likely the same so another 2 detachments.
So in total we currently have 11 detachments from the 6 upcoming kits. Meanwhile TGS had 16 detachments (not counting the Palisades and counting the Cyclops)

So we currently both have less kits and less detachments for this book which makes it possible there is going to be about two more kits for this book that haven't been revealed yet

Or, it may be as simple as each expansion not intended to have the same number of kits.

 Breotan wrote:
Or, it may be as simple as each expansion not intended to have the same number of kits.

Sure just saying there could be more.
Personally while the Sicaran and LR versions are nice they are still just alternate weapon versions for already existing kits, especially the 2 additional LR kits.
So just three unique new kits for an expansion book just kinda feels too low to me

I assumed there’d be more. They’ll want other things to show off closer to release to build hype.

New book and more miniatures. Both are welcome in my eyes.

In terms of army organisation slots?

Sabres are very welcome, being our first Light Armour unit for Astartes.

Sicaran variants also welcome, as they’re our third and fourth Armour option. From the rules I shared above, the Arcus may best compliment the Demi-Company, as it can do effective AA, and with Heavy Bolter sponsons it can kick out 6 shots against Infantry, which is nothing to be sniffed at.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In terms of army organisation slots?

Sabres are very welcome, being our first Light Armour unit for Astartes.

Sicaran variants also welcome, as they’re our third and fourth Armour option. From the rules I shared above, the Arcus may best compliment the Demi-Company, as it can do effective AA, and with Heavy Bolter sponsons it can kick out 6 shots against Infantry, which is nothing to be sniffed at.

Yeah I’m looking forward to the Sabre tanks. They look adorable. I wonder what the light option for guard would be? Hellhounds? Chimera and variants? Salamander? Or maybe the buggy thing the old Elysian FW army used to have.


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 schoon wrote:
New book and more miniatures. Both are welcome in my eyes.

Agreed. We want continued support for the game, new models and a book are very welcome in my eyes.

 General Kroll wrote:

Yeah I’m looking forward to the Sabre tanks. They look adorable. I wonder what the light option for guard would be? Hellhounds? Chimera and variants? Salamander? Or maybe the buggy thing the old Elysian FW army used to have.

SA don't have the Chimera or any of those chassis variants, the only thing that could probably fit the light slot is the Carnodon

 Matrindur wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Or, it may be as simple as each expansion not intended to have the same number of kits.

Sure just saying there could be more.
Personally while the Sicaran and LR versions are nice they are still just alternate weapon versions for already existing kits, especially the 2 additional LR kits.
So just three unique new kits for an expansion book just kinda feels too low to me

Indeed, with the preview stream I was expecting something more substanial like a battleforce box with new infantry. We already knew about Termites, Shadowswords, and that another expansion book is coming, so the only truly brand new things here were the sabres and extra weapon options for existing units.

Something GW marketing have been pretty consistent about in recent years is to only show off contents of a book/codex/battletome once all the related models have been unveiled. Sadly that strongly implies this will be all of the new units coming.

I think the only realistic hope for more stuff in this wave would be:
a) There's more terrain coming
b) They plan to upgrade some more of the resin units from the core book like the Arvus into plastic kits, as those don't need new unit entries. Still have my fingers crossed for Armigers / Styrix / Atrapos in plastic...

 Matrindur wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

Yeah I’m looking forward to the Sabre tanks. They look adorable. I wonder what the light option for guard would be? Hellhounds? Chimera and variants? Salamander? Or maybe the buggy thing the old Elysian FW army used to have.

SA don't have the Chimera or any of those chassis variants, the only thing that could probably fit the light slot is the Carnodon

They have their Chimera-equivalent IFV in the Aurox, but that should fill a similar slot to the Rhino really. It's not there to zip around without infantry. Carnodons would fill that role, yeah.

Unrelated to minis, is this the first book to actually address Tallarn? For one of the most famous battles of the Heresy from before the novels, it seems to have been getting very little attention in them.

I'm clearly not the target audience here (3rd edition player), but the reveal was rather underwhelming. Though I am pleased to see the demolisher....but is this the first stand alone leman russ kit we've seen?

The release overall has been spotty, I've not been keeping up with it fully. Its seems littered with expansions but kits are out of stock or unavailable. I want to spend money on it, but GW are making it very difficult. I've gone over the webstore (which is extremely awkward now for LI) and either half the stuff is missing or not been made available.

Still- the best thing on the reveal was the plastic Mechanicum in HH big scale which gives me hope we'll see them in tiny scale next year. I have a loads of tiny robots already from vanguard minis, but if we get plastic triaros and castellaxs in epic scale then hopefully GW will make it that I can give them my money for them. All my moneys. All I've ever wanted since citadel journal 21 is lots and lots of teeny tiny robots to blast away with. (And not have to hunt down the old chaos androids for horrible amounts of ebay money)

 RexHavoc wrote:
Still- the best thing on the reveal was the plastic Mechanicum in HH big scale which gives me hope we'll see them in tiny scale next year. I have a loads of tiny robots already from vanguard minis, but if we get plastic triaros and castellaxs in epic scale then hopefully GW will make it that I can give them my money for them. All my moneys. All I've ever wanted since citadel journal 21 is lots and lots of teeny tiny robots to blast away with. (And not have to hunt down the old chaos androids for horrible amounts of ebay money)

Hopefully the next big preview is the opposite- Tiny Mechanicum and full scale Sabres, Sicaran variants, SA superheavies, and Termites.

Three books in, still no full lists for the original two factions.

Cool. Cool cool cool.

Three books in and I can only use my army in a separate game mode or as support.

Crap. crap, crap, crap.

So….Knights?

Those javelings, jetbikes and bikers are sexy!!!
Landspeeders are not mine cup of thee, never liked them.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So….Knights?

"It is the old wound, my lord! It has never healed..."

...YES!

SamusDrake wrote:
Three books in and I can only use my army in a separate game mode or as support.

Crap. crap, crap, crap.

Then you don’t actually have an army. You have an AT army.

I agree, it's very cool. I'm fine with rate new models released as it gives me time to paint and practice with them before next release.

I’m hoping for a greater variety of Detachments too.

Outside of the Demi-Company, they’re all quite Fixed Purpose at the moment. I wouldn’t mind some more flexible ones in future.