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 schoon wrote:
I see discussion about Orks and Elder, but a more likely path to my eyes would be Mechanicum.

They are firmly within the Horus Heresy.

One set of models can be used on both sides.

Any discussion of Orks and Eldar is about after they finish the actual HH factions. Of course Custodes, Mechanicum and to a lesser degree Deamons of the Ruinstorm will be first but Orks and Eldar would be the two faction that make the most sense after we are finished with the HH factions as they have been around back then

It's highly likely that Mechanicum are already done, and just await distribution/release.

 xttz wrote:
It's highly likely that Mechanicum are already done, and just await distribution/release.

Especially after we have plastic Mechanicum in 28mm HH now. Originally I even expected GW to release them for both systems at roughly the same time, as they did with Solar Auxillia, but that doesn't seem to be happening. But I would be surprised if we have to wait longer than two more expansion books for something Mechanicum related.
Maybe we'll get them for our 1 year anniversary in November

This isn't news or rumours people, take the discussion elsewhere please.

There is a great section on the forum for this, we have several topics running on this sort of thing so please come down and post

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/57.page

 xttz wrote:

 Apologist wrote:
... and that's a much more customer-friendly approach. The main box for Space Marine Second Edition (SM2) had functional army lists for five factions. The expansions tended to focus on two factions at a time (e.g. Space Marine and Guard; Ork and Squat; Eldar and Chaos), and gave expanded army lists for each, which included a complete reprint of the original lists.

In contrast, the army lists in the Legions Imperialis (LI) core box are seemingly based purely on the models immediately or imminently available, while the expansions provide only a handful of additions at a time. Are there understandable commercial reasons for that?

Yes, this is something GW have done since a court case over a decade ago.

Basically 40k codexes used to include rules for all sorts of units & wargear that didn't have models at all, and may or may not have been planned for later. A small company called Chapterhouse started selling their own resin models for these gaps in the GW range, like Tyranid Tervigons or Eldar Farseers on jetbikes. It went to court, GW won part of the case but lost on many other points.

The general takeaway was that GW need to have a physical model ready for sale to be protected from a legal point of view, rules & concept sketches aren't enough. Given their business model and the long lead time in creating plastic kits, there was also a geniune risk of publishing rules for a new unit, a third-party jumps in with their own hand-sculpted resin item, then the GW kit releases the official version some time later which legally speaking could considered be an imtiation of the 3rd-party model. So from around 2012 GW has operated on "no model no rules", generally only making game rules available when they have a model kit close to going on sale.

LI is also likely the most vulnerable GW game system to this kind of 'issue', because not only is 3D printing really efficient at this scale but a lot of the units already exist as full size HH kits that can be easily rescaled by the community. They will definitely be worried about giving customers several months headstart to print out their own land raiders or falchions when the models were still some time away from release.

This being said, I would be interested to know what are the volume of sales actually lost to 3D printers and proxies. The FB groups for Legions are full of people posting their purchases, piles of boxes at values probably approaching 4 figures, while most of the veteran Epic players I know personally are still buying Legions stuff, even though they own printers and have extensive non-official collections (I am one of them too! )

As such, it feels a little like cutting your nose to spite your face - we end up with a far less comprehensive game, confusingly spread over releases, and a not insignificant barrier to entry which I think will harm the long term prospects of the game and how it continues to be followed by the community.

I suspect that the release model is dictated more by development and production limits within Specialist Games - they design and build what they can in a quarter and then release it - rather than a knowledge and fear of the few hundred guys who were still playing Epic globally, and in some sort of plucky Robin Hood-like scenario were going to undercut the global wargaming behemoth that is GW.

This is the same reason we won't see a 40k and significant Xenos expansion for the game - production and design bottleneck of a few guys working in Specialist Games that are having to do everything, and don't even have time to playtest what they are releasing before they are moved on to the next book/release.

So happy to see the Sabres come in at 120ptsfor 4 and the Termie/dread formation looks interesting. I dont see how Termites are an improvement over pods though, am I missing something?

 ingtaer wrote:
So happy to see the Sabres come in at 120ptsfor 4 and the Termie/dread formation looks interesting. I dont see how Termites are an improvement over pods though, am I missing something?

You get 10 for each box instead of 4 like the pods for starters

Sabres, Termites next week, as are Leman Russ Exterminator and Annihilator patterns.

Between catching up on the last LI releases, Necromunda and these? Pretty intensive spend for me next week.

Legion Sabre Strike Tank Squadron, Termite Assault Drills, and Leman Russ Exterminator and Annihilator Squadron are going on preorder this week. These LI releases are picking it's good to see.

 Sotahullu wrote:

 ingtaer wrote:
So happy to see the Sabres come in at 120ptsfor 4 and the Termie/dread formation looks interesting. I dont see how Termites are an improvement over pods though, am I missing something?

You get 10 for each box instead of 4 like the pods for starters

I was thinking rules wise as I get them for 30ml of resin...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/18/sunday-preview-the-blood-angels-descend-and-war-comes-to-angmar/

Surprisingly the last of the Tallarn units are up in the next preorder; termites, sabres, and the 3rd Russ box.

Fingers crossed for more from Nova...

Will likely skip the Termites, but I’m definitely going to get me some of the Sicaran variants and Sabre tanks when I can.

And still no sight of the Knight/Titan Battlegroups.
Only two more weeks for the one year anniversary of their announcement

 Matrindur wrote:
And still no sight of the Knight/Titan Battlegroups.
Only two more weeks for the one year anniversary of their announcement

At this point I think those will just release around the usual November holidays slot, which is likely when they were originally planned last year.

I still reckon that the next book will be themed around knights:
* Molech would be a suitable setting they've already explored in AT
* They'll do plastic mechanicum Styrix / Atrapos knights, whose box art has existed since launch. Perhaps armigers too.
* That ties into opposing kits for heavy firepower like Sicaran Venators or Fellblades (the former is shown in the Tallarn book)
* It would lead neatly into a full Mechanicum faction

Dropping a discount knight box just after an expansion that focuses on knights also makes sense.

With Kill Team finally sorting itself out, the introduction of proper Knight forces would really make 2024 a special year for me. C'mon GW, just do the sensible thing...

Horus Heresy and Legions Imperialis:

For those who prefer to fight their galaxy-spanning conflicts on a more epic scale, there’s a major reveal just over the darkening horizon– but we can’t speculate on that quite yet.

In the stream they also talked about other factions like Mechanicum, Custodes and Sisters of Silence for LI

Fascinating. Adding the generally extremely short-ranged (to complement the limits of their anti-psyker auras) SoS to a game of long ranged combat with no psykers.
Does this imply psychic abilities are coming to the Epic battlefield?

Also to clarify now that I rewatched the bit again what they said was:

Its our long term ambition that anything for the full scale HH will be coming for LI so we're likely to be doing that for many years yet. Theres other factions to explore too. There's Mechanicum, Custodes and Sisters of Silence that we could do in the future as we come to it. But the big job initially is to fill out the Sm and SA range. That's what we are doing for the next few years.

So likely no additional factions in the near future. They could just be holding back information but even then I only expect Mechanicum anytime soon and in year at the earliest

The warcom article talked about a "major reveal" for LI coming, I assumed that meant mechanicum but maybe not

chaos0xomega wrote:
The warcom article talked about a "major reveal" for LI coming, I assumed that meant mechanicum but maybe not

Probably just the next book, maybe another Infantry set as I would see that as a major reveal at this point

The biggest news is probably that Heresy Thursdays are back so we can expect regular reveals again

Big reveal is surely the next book. Hopefully it finally contains formations for fielding knight households.

My expectations are very low

I figured that the next set of releases will include the astartes super heavies like the fell blade, but that’s just a guess.

 General Kroll wrote:
Big reveal is surely the next book. Hopefully it finally contains formations for fielding knight households.

This has got to happen, as the Titan and Knight bundles are now a year late after their announcement. Surely they can't sit in the warehouse for much longer...

"Road Map"

Sigh.

Nice to see HH Thursdays coming back. Yay.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Fascinating. Adding the generally extremely short-ranged (to complement the limits of their anti-psyker auras) SoS to a game of long ranged combat with no psykers.

My immediate thought was they would be folded into the Custodes' list.

What is missing for the Space Marine Range except Super Heavies and Primarchs.

What can we expect for Infantry / Legion specific Units.

Mk2 to Mk5 Marines?

Artillery of all stripes is missing.

RazorEdge wrote:
What is missing for the Space Marine Range except Super Heavies and Primarchs.

Arquitor, Whirlwind Scorpius, Sicaran Venator, Typhon, and Vindicator are already in full-scale plastic, so are likely in the pipeline for LI. There's also a chance to see alternative Predator kits in the same style as the Russ, since the 28mm kit has many turret options available.

There's a lot of infantry & dreadnought options not covered by the current LI core kit, and some of the game rules imply units like support infantry with lascannons or plasma cannons. Perhaps those will be done as different armour marks, or maybe GW just keep everything consistently as Mk6. Personally I'd love to see more infantry sprues built around clear themes. For example a sprue with core (non-jump pack) assault squads, assault terminators, despoilers, and melee contemptors. Or a ranged sprue that focuses on support squads and ranged dreads.

Longer term, perhaps Mastodons & Stormbirds may show up.

What points do you guys play at?